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    Vulpes Chronicler Blackdrazon's Avatar
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    My look back at the Kingdom Hearts series continues into Birth by Sleep!

    The Kingdom Hearts Retrospective updates Tuesdays and Saturdays. If you want to get started with the original KH1 retrospective, check out the Introduction or the KH1 Retrospective's first post!




    Note that we're once again starting off with a double post, so make sure to read both the first entry and the second!

    You may also be interested in my first-impressions Final Fantasy journal series!
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    Very excited to see you're still trucking along! Big fan of your work so far on this, and I've been reading your blog along the way as I replay all of KH, it's been a real treat. (I'm currently only towards the end of KH2, and am thus there on your blog, and since I already replayed Days in this marathon of mine a ways back, I'll read through that as soon as I get done with KH2).

    Btw, not that it matters much, but I am the commenter that goes by Seraphiel on your blog. Can't wait to read more!

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    My look back at the Kingdom Hearts series continues into Days, with a detailed look at both the game and film!
    I think you need to change that. :D

    Really excited and I definitely will be reading through all of your posts while being on the bus and I'll also post my thoughts!
    Can't wait to see what you think about BBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muke View Post
    My look back at the Kingdom Hearts series continues into Days, with a detailed look at both the game and film!
    I think you need to change that. :D
    Not sure if this part was directed at me, but in case it was, oh trust me, I haven't skipped out on Days. I just started a KH marthon of trying to 100% each one from start to finish in order of release, starting with KH for PS2. Thing is, I got started a good while before 1.5 was released (it's been going for a while, hahah). So I've resolved to add in the PS3/4 remakes to said marathon, and as such have definitely played Days and watched the movie in this marathon, I'm just currently at KH2FM on 2.5.

    Unless that was directed at Blackdrazon, in which case, their retrospective does cover Days, doesn't it? I haven't gotten to it, but I thought I saw it being posted.

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    Well, this retrospective is about BBS, not Days. I think he copy-pasted the original and forgot to edit the Days part out, ao I just wanted to point that out. :D

    Wow! Havw fun with your marathon. :)

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    Ohhhh my mistake, I didn't realize you were quoting him! Sorry!

    And thanks kindly! I sure am.
    Blackdrazon's retrospective here has been one of a few motivating forces to keep going with it, so I can read along! Some insightful stuff there, really made me think, especially about KH2's weird development and seemingly cobbled pieces. Curious to see if he'll have anything similar to say about BbS, since I know that had some weird changes along the way that left some plot ideas seeming a little fractured.

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    Hm, interesting. Started reading a bit, guess I might follow this along. (I really like the minimalistic design of the blog btw).

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    I really loved the first two posts! Also, very interesting playing order. Keep up the good work!

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    Thanks to all for the comments and good luck to Vaddix on the playthrough! Keep me informed!

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    Good first two entries. I laughed at the obvious symbolism joke about the name of Land of Departure. Nice one.

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    I am so glad you went with Ventus first, I have been a VERY big advocate ever since I experienced the story that Ven should be played first. I swear Ven was intended to be the first character originally why else start the game as Ven in the first place? It's just more natural to start and continue as Ven than it is to start as Ven and suddenly jump to Terra..and a little less unnatural to jump to Aqua since they are closer in playstyle. Then again I also swear that Ven and Aqua's stories in certain worlds were swapped because Aqua's story doesn't line up at all with the big moment in RG, nor does Ven's really, and honestly neither does Terra's reaction which almost leads me to think that the big twist spoiling in Terra's story was something that got added in later and was not part of the original draft.

    It's not AWTD shattering Ven's heart station it's actually soul eater, you also left the most important detail. Ven doesn't just become a shooting star he becomes a shooting star that very specifically zooms/vanishes into Sora. Oh and that whole heart station thing is a big error, in the PSP version Ven's heart station has like this white star looking symbol crossing across all the people circles. For whatever reason in the HD remake they made the mistake of using Ven's endgame heart station instead....for a game that was basically just ported (not even properly HD they just are rendering everything at its native size) it was a very weird error to make. Almost as weird as...not just porting Roxas's battle quotes and instead porting Ven's battle quotes into the Roxas segment of KH2FM+ which sound so jarring because Roxas doesn't speak with such a high energetic voice.

    I don't think Aqua knows why she lied either since this is something never again addressed and I'd say this falls back to hints of the plot being re-written pretty heavily...well that and the fact we go from a steady stream of news, to a stupidly long dead spout, and next time we get news the japanese spelling of the unbirths had very clearly changed to unversed. Most likely all the rewriting had to do with them no longer planning to have BBS address the idea of "the life of a heart before birth" that unversed (or unbirths if you will) would of tied into. Also Terra and Aqua met Ven 4 years ago minimum, BBS is just lazy and never made models to show the change in age probably because they already knew they would never again be used though to Jason's credit he DOES try to sound a bit younger. But honestly I chalk it up to laziness given they also made a million excuses to justify why they wouldn't age not just in BBS but in 0.2 as well.

    Oh and Aqua and Terra haven't actually been training for their mark of mastery exam, Eraqus was never going to give them an exam he was just going to name them masters when the time was right. It's up the master if they take an exam and what exam they will take, however Xehanort stuck his big nose into things. After being invited to see their christening as masters Xehanort basically gets Eraqus to decide that they should prove themselves through a test first, the old traditional test that has been used in the past. Hence Aqua's comment on the mark of mastery as if she just remembered it makes pretty good sense. Honestly it would have been so much better if they had started us a few days earlier and let us get to know TAV over a course of days and actually SEE things like how Terra and Aqua reacted to being told "I know you were going to be named masters but before doing so I've decided now to give you an ancient style mark of mastery test". Of course BBS is basically anti-fleshing out TAV's history, friendship, and establishing their normal lives because it wants to skip all that and jump right to the breaking. Which hurts the plot so hard, I swear it be like if you turned on KH1 and started right at the sunset scene with Sora, Riku, and Kairi talking and then jumped to the night of the island being destroyed. Which actually now that I think about it WOULD work if cut properly but it would of damaged KH1's plot to hell and back by doing so.

    Anyway enjoyable as ever keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokey123 View Post
    I don't think Aqua knows why she lied either since this is something never again addressed and I'd say this falls back to hints of the plot being re-written pretty heavily...well that and the fact we go from a steady stream of news, to a stupidly long dead spout, and next time we get news the japanese spelling of the unbirths had very clearly changed to unversed. Most likely all the rewriting had to do with them no longer planning to have BBS address the idea of "the life of a heart before birth" that unversed (or unbirths if you will) would of tied into.
    I am so glad someone else remembers this. I always had a vague memory of these details from the BbS news cycle but always had difficulty digging up this info. I've mentioned this to others who usually keep up with KH news in the past and got some weird looks for this, for some reason this beta-sorta info slipped through the cracks for a lot of people.
    Much like KH2's heavily butchered and Frankenstein'd plot, I'd really like to look deeper into whatever the heck BbS was "meant" to be, to see what the earlier vision was and see if it could somehow fit in with the series we have today.

    Edit: I suspect the Unversed-related changes left the biggest scars, and finding the original intent to them might heal those gaping issues, such as the Mirror claimed by the journal to be and Unversed, and just how darn strange and contradictory the Unversed seem to be in the midst of the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokey123 View Post
    I don't think Aqua knows why she lied either since this is something never again addressed and I'd say this falls back to hints of the plot being re-written pretty heavily...
    What?
    I really don't get what's so unusual or "weird" about Aqua's behaviour there when taking into account how Ventus first came to them and what happened whenever his past was brought up.
    He was a traumatized wreck when first coming there and it took the four years between his arrival and the actual beginning of BBS proper for Aqua, Terra and Eraqus to heal Ven's heart and bring him back to a stable state, Terra even implies this when talking with Xehanort, so it is sort of obvious that Aqua was "lying" because of the sort of overprotectiveness both her and Terra developed towards Ven (as mentioned in the reports section) and making completely sure to not cause any repercussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokey123 View Post
    It's not AWTD shattering Ven's heart station it's actually soul eater, you also left the most important detail. Ven doesn't just become a shooting star he becomes a shooting star that very specifically zooms/vanishes into Sora. Oh and that whole heart station thing is a big error, in the PSP version Ven's heart station has like this white star looking symbol crossing across all the people circles. For whatever reason in the HD remake they made the mistake of using Ven's endgame heart station instead....for a game that was basically just ported (not even properly HD they just are rendering everything at its native size) it was a very weird error to make. Almost as weird as...not just porting Roxas's battle quotes and instead porting Ven's battle quotes into the Roxas segment of KH2FM+ which sound so jarring because Roxas doesn't speak with such a high energetic voice.
    Ah, thanks, that is very strange!


    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth0812 View Post
    What?
    I really don't get what's so unusual or "weird" about Aqua's behaviour there when taking into account how Ventus first came to them and what happened whenever his past was brought up.
    He was a traumatized wreck when first coming there and it took the four years between his arrival and the actual beginning of BBS proper for Aqua, Terra and Eraqus to heal Ven's heart and bring him back to a stable state, Terra even implies this when talking with Xehanort, so it is sort of obvious that Aqua was "lying" because of the sort of overprotectiveness both her and Terra developed towards Ven (as mentioned in the reports section) and making completely sure to not cause any repercussion.
    I get this, but I'd personally have rather seen Terra lie at this early, introduction-to-the-characters stage, myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdrazon View Post
    I get this, but I'd personally have rather seen Terra lie at this early, introduction-to-the-characters stage, myself.
    I see, well, just out of curiosity: Why?

    To preserve a more "pure"/honest image of Aqua?

    Although it may not be presented very well (as are many things throughout BBS in all honesty), both Aqua and Terra having a sort of overprotective streak towards Ventus is supposed to be a thing.

 

 
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