Official 'Final Fantasy in KH' Thread

[Diomedes]

Audo Edit:

Okay, I made an official thread for all Final Fantasy talk. So, do it here. (I merged some old threads in here as well, so fun.)

Originally Posted by Audo

Here, a devoted thread to it.
Now please never bring it up again outside of this thread.

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Originally posted by The Liberator:
First of all, I put this here because it involves both KH1 and KH2, and Future of KH doubles as General Discussion. If it belongs somewhere else, please, move it. Now onto the reason for this.

People are always bitching about KH1 Sephiroth being much stronger than KH2 Sephiroth. They are wrong, because its not that KH1 Sephiroth is so much stronger, its that KH1 Sora is so much weaker.

KH1: InKH1, after Sora rescues Kairi, he becomes a "human-form" heartless, or 1/3 of Sora's whole self. Now, this is the first part where someone will say Im wrong, because in KH2, Naminé states that Roxas is only half of Sora. this is wrong because:

Whole being = Heart, Body, and Soul

Heartless = Heart = 1/3 whole being

Nobody = Body and Soul = 2/3 whole being

So, before Sora and Roxas are combined at the beginning of KH2, Sora is only 1/3 of himself, and is this fraction at the time he first fights Sephiroth and lives. In other words:

1/3 = 33.3r% (r = repeated), therefore:

KH1 Sora vs Sephiroth = 33.3r% of Sora vs Sephiroth.

KH2: OK, in KH2, when Sora fights Sephiroth, Sora is whole again, at 100% of himself. However, the major reason that Sephiroth seems so much easier, is that Sora has the Drive abilities to help him. Now, many people will wait until they have Ultima Weapon to fight Sephiroth, at which time they are likely to have also maxed out every drive form. Now, the Drive forms divide Sora and specialize in a specific area:

Valor = Strength

Wisdom = Magic

Master = everything increased

Final = everything MAXED

Also, when all drives are maxed, normal Sora has 3/4 of each Drive ability's full potential. In other words:

3/4 = 75% = .75

.75 + .75 + .75 + .75 = 3.00 = 300%, and 100% + 300% = 400%, therefore:

KH2 Sora vs Sephiroth = 400% Sora vs Sephiroth.

KH1: 33.3r% Sora vs Sephiroth

KH2: 400% Sora vs Sephiroth.

Now the problem with this, is that Sora's power and whatnot is actually only divided in the storyline, while the gameplay keeps him at 100% of himself the entire time, so in actuality:

KH1: 100% Sora vs Sephiroth

KH2: 400% Sora vs Sephiroth

So, storywise, in KH1 you fight him at 33.3r% of your power, but in the game itself, your still at 100% Sora, while in KH2 when you fight him, Sora is at 400% of his power, or has the power of 4 Soras combined.

Sephiroth isn't any stronger or weaker, he is just that much stronger than Sora.

Feel free to respond as you see fit.

[Vice]

Also because the fact that Sora has infinatly more Abilities in Kh2 opposed to that of KH1

Thats a simple explanation why hes so much easier in KH2.

[Nightmare]

very nicely put!!!!

P.S. Sephiroth is COOL!

[xjeezlouisx]

this is so logical....

[Byronic Hero]

Meh. I dont care. he's easy in KH2 and hard in KH1. thats all I'm gonna go by. I dont take any of that junk into account. I just say he's harder. xD

[Neo]

I don't think anyone really is whining about him being easier, they just simply state that he was easier in KH2.

[Cissy]

Nice way of explaining it through game-mechanics, I must admit. I can't say whether or not the storyline (aka, Sora with Roxas and without) really effected Sora's strength in game, but it's true that KH2 Sora has more abilities and strengths up his arsenal. And, there's probably other mathematical things involved, but still. It's a good observation.

[WilliamTheWise]

No, I still think one is stronger than the other.

[Byronic Hero]

Does it really matter? I mean really.

[Lanydx]

Originally Posted by KingDoom

very nicely put!!!!

P.S. Sephiroth is COOL!

Amen. Finally someone here on the forums that gets it.

[camdog]

Don't mean to damper on your Sephiroth parade, but there seems to be one bit of information that doesn't make sense in your theory. You say that in KH2 Sora is 100% compared to the 33.3% in KH1, and you say that because he is now 'with' Roxas when actually he isn't.
In KH2 Sora doesn't actually get the Roxas part of him back until the end of the game when you are in the midst of fighting Xemnas, and obviously you can't go back to fight Sephiroth at that point. One way I could misunderstand you is if you think about when Roxas sees Sore and the gameplay with him ends, but he doesn't actually go back to Sora (otherwise why would he do it again later?).

My thought is that his time as a nobody ends, which is hinted in some videos for KH 358/2 days (which I am looking forward to). That's just my view.

[Nocturne]

The Phantom is harder than Sephiroth.

Who gives a shit.

[camdog]

Really? Is that a serious comment, because I thought that using the stop spell wasn't that difficult to do, plus you could dodge in every direction, and the phantom never kills you in one hit.

Kurt Zia seemed like a harder boss than Sephiroth, at the time anyways.

[Nocturne]

Originally Posted by camdog

Really? Is that a serious comment, because I thought that using the stop spell wasn't that difficult to do, plus you could dodge in every direction, and the phantom never kills you in one hit.

Kurt Zia seemed like a harder boss than Sephiroth, at the time anyways.

I only fought the Phantom once a long time ago, I remember having more difficulty with him than anyone else.

I never lose to Sephiroth, he's simple once you know his pattern.

[Byronic Hero]

Originally Posted by camdog

Really? Is that a serious comment, because I thought that using the stop spell wasn't that difficult to do, plus you could dodge in every direction, and the phantom never kills you in one hit.
Kurt Zia seemed like a harder boss than Sephiroth, at the time anyways.

Actually, yeah, he does, if that timer runs down.