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    i rest my case Chuman's Avatar
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    Default MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Okay, I'm fresh off of the new content in 2.8 and my wheels are turning. As much as I want to be playing DDD, I'm stuck with the rest of you nerds and I have some crazy ideas to discuss today. Please try and act mildly convinced.

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    his true ambition is unknown and will remain so for a long time. So that's all I have and if there's anything to add, critique or just discuss- I'm looking forward to reading it. Hit me with your best shot, and may your heart be your guiding key.
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    Default Re: The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuman View Post
    is he a villain who wants the power of kingdom hearts? Or is he something else? His actions could be looked at as cruel, when he has shown himself to be truly uncaring. The spectacular Master Spockanort has her own theory cooking that his omniscience could truly be because he is a sort of deity, and that he's playing a bigger role towards the side of good, but this is just a theory which I have no right to even bring up. Perhaps he is a truly neutral being who just wants to advance his personal goals and is just the KHverse's own Wizard of Oz, all talk, smoke and mirrors, etc.

    his true ambition is unknown and will remain so for a long time. So that's all I have and if there's anything to add, critique or just discuss- I'm looking forward to reading it. Hit me with your best shot, and may your heart be your guiding key.
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    i rest my case Chuman's Avatar
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    Default Re: The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Nomura has apparently confirmed that the Master will not appear in III so don't worry about that. My theory isn't a villain behind the villain toe deal- he's just a schemer. As already said by both Xehanort and the MoM, fate is already set and can't be changed.

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    Default Re: The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Chuman going into theory-mode?
    That's certainly something new.

    (Shouldn't some of these statements be spoiler-tagged tough?)


    Now on to the actual content of the theory, well, the MoM is certainly not only a fantastic "dickhead" but also highly entertaining.

    That being out of the way, I'll spoiler the rest just in case:

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    i rest my case Chuman's Avatar
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    That's my secret, captain. I'm always a keyblade master.

    But nah seriously, I just didn't have much reason to go into theory mode. I go deep when it comes to things I'm passionate about. But yeah, in 0.2 mickey said that he entered via a world that was ending. One way trip. And as back cover has proved, the Master can certainly piece himself out so the theory isn't beyond grasp.

    also thanks for pointing that out, my bad.

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    Default Re: The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuman View Post
    My theory isn't a villain behind the villain toe deal- he's just a schemer. As already said by both Xehanort and the MoM, fate is already set and can't be changed.
    I've just to say it out loud that I really hate the "fate is set and cannot be changed"-kind of stories/setups because it makes everything the different characters do meaningless and inconsequential in the end.
    I recall plenty of people were already sour with the whole "everything was planned and destinied to happen"-shtick Xehanort babbled about in the DDD finale when it was really just him "engineering" fate for his own selfish ambitions and interests.

    How sick is it to tell people that they suffer because they are meant to by "fate"?
    It would also indicate that free will and your own decisions don't have any weight in the KH universe because everything is already "set".

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuman View Post
    That's my secret, captain. I'm always a keyblade master.

    But nah seriously, I just didn't have much reason to go into theory mode. I go deep when it comes to things I'm passionate about. But yeah, in 0.2 mickey said that he entered via a world that was ending. One way trip. And as back cover has proved, the Master can certainly piece himself out so the theory isn't beyond grasp.

    also thanks for pointing that out, my bad.
    Oho, is that so?
    Very well.

    I'll be playing 0.2 today so I'll make sure to check out this particular part and compare it to Coded's "variant". While it is true that the Master indeed disappears, we do not have any indication yet how and why that happened and if it happened voluntary or involuntary. Since the MoM is stated to not make an appearance in KH III by Nomura, I'd say that him being another "man behind the man" is pretty slim, so only Luxu remains to be a possible candidate for such a scenario.
    Yet still, it could be that the MoM is the new main antagonist for the next saga too and while it does have connections to KH III at some points, Back Cover (and by extension Chi and Unchained) also partly lay groundwork for the next saga.

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    Sure, it is sick but it's part of the rules of time travel. Up to a certain point, things are meant to happen that way. The unknown variable in this still remains sora, and as eraqus said, who's to say it can't be changed? No one has tried to, is what I'm saying. The past is done, and these events have potentially built up to the conclusion that the Master envisioned. Once he's reunited with his body/animated coat he's been walking around in/royal attire/sears mannequin, and what he's seen has been caught up; that's where the cement is still wet. That's the skyscraper sora and riku can topple before it's even built.

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    Default Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Not sure if someone realize before, but the words on the box "X Super" along with the name of the Fortellers (Aced, Ava, Gula, Invi, Ira) and Luxu = now makes up all 7 of the sins name in latin

    [Superbia, Acedia, Avaritia, Gula, Invidia, Ira, Luxuria]

    That or the box is the MoM's property and he labeled his name on it (therefor identifying his name as Super?)

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    Default Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Quote Originally Posted by vaxidd View Post
    Not sure if someone realize before, but the words on the box "X Super" along with the name of the Fortellers (Aced, Ava, Gula, Invi, Ira) and Luxu = now makes up all 7 of the sins name in latin

    [Superbia, Acedia, Avaritia, Gula, Invidia, Ira, Luxuria]

    That or the box is the MoM's property and he labeled his name on it (therefor identifying his name as Super?)
    Wow

    just want everyone to think back to 2013 when this was a non canon browser game

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    Default Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Also: why is everyone saying that the MoM would be another "man behind the man" trope? It's only been used once in the series.
    That doesn't need spoiler tags so I'll answer it openly.

    No, that trope has been used already three times in the series.

    First it looked like the Big Bad is Maleficent, then came the "man behind the man" in the form of Ansem, Seeker of Darkness.
    Second it was "revealed" that the Big Bad Ansem isn't even Ansem but the Heartless of Xehanort, an Apprentice of the real Ansem.
    Third it was revealed that the Big Bad "Apprentice Xehanort" is not really Ansem's apprentice but an elderly evil Keyblade Master from a decade ago who is piggybacking in the body of a younger dude who he possessed.

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    i rest my case Chuman's Avatar
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    Default Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    just figured i'd bump this in the weeks followed by e3, see how it holds up all these months later or if Union X did something to dismantle my theory, if this is inappropriate to bump my own thread after this long i'll close it.

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    Default Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    I just have one thing to say about the whole box thing because I just can't help but feel like either people are missing something or I am just completely lost. Better safe than sorry:

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    Default Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - The Master's Plan/What's in the Box? [Theory]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unumus View Post
    I just have one thing to say about the whole box thing because I just can't help but feel like either people are missing something or I am just completely lost. Better safe than sorry:

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    So, the seven fragments of light are actually literal and not just metaphorical as I assumed that Xehanort was making them out to be?

 

 
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