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    Default Re: Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Retrospective

    "In fact, I think something went wrong on the development side of things here. Note how Slightly says “a monster,” which could apply if he saw just one Jellyshade at first, but certainly doesn’t apply to the entire swarm… and after the boss fight, he will say: “You sure cut that monster down to size!” not only implying that there was only one monster a second time, but at least in English implying that the one monster was supposed to be large. Oh, something is definitely suspicious here."
    You might already know this, but the Blobmob was intended to be a boss, but was "scrapped" and remade into a regular enemy...late in development. Was it before or after they finished recording voice lines?

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    I didn't already know that, but given the evidence, it would make sense! Do you happen to remember where we heard about that?

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    Finally caught up with the last few updates. I always thought Braig bouncing out of the room after the battle at RG in Terra’s story looked so ridiculous.

    I’m glad we’re nearly to Aqua’s story now.

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    Been super busy so I only just now had time to catch up, I actually think Terra telling Riku to keep it secret when he was little fits really well. Look at Riku's talk in KH1

    Kairi: So say you get to another world what would you do there?
    Riku: Well, I...hadn't really thought about it. It's just... I've always wondered why we're here on this island. If there are any other worlds out there, why did we end up on this one? And suppose there are other worlds... Then ours is just a little piece of something much greater. So we could've just as easily ended up somewhere else, right?
    Sora: I dunno
    Riku: Exactly. That's why we need to go out there and find out. Just sitting here won't change a thing. It's the same old stuff. So let's go.

    This all just works so well with this scene. Riku is still immature at the time, still has no concept that Terra's promise has nothing to do with him getting a keyblade or not. So when Kairi asks him what he do there he can't say "I will go hunt down a mysterious man who had me hold his giant key for a bit in hopes I can get the power to protect you guys". Thus we've got the awkward stuttering, the bs answer that really sounds like Riku is making up everything he is saying right now up on the spot. And the weariness in his voice as if he's been waiting for something and he's finally sick of waiting, in this case now being contextualized as the keyblade. He doesn't know it's name or what it is just that one day he'd get one and be free to leave the island and yet that day never seemed to come. Then we have this part...

    Kairi: You've been thinking a lot lately, haven't you?
    Riku: Thanks to you. If you hadn't come here, I probably would've never thought of any of this. Kairi, thanks.

    "Probably" is there in his sentence implying that there IS another reason he thought of all this. I think this was meant to be one of the MANY subtle hints (well okay some are really on the nose) in KH1 that Riku had met with and talked to the brown cloaked Ansem. But now it's being retconned to Terra which frankly is a retcon I'm okay with because it fits better. Likewise Kairi did still inspire Riku in that as far as he can tell Kairi has no special abilities, no giant key, etc... but she managed to travel from another world. This leads him to think he doesn't need any of that, he doesn't need to wait any longer. It leads him to believe that childish notion that a raft would be able to let him escape the world like Kairi.

    I'm like 90% is Dark Impulse's hand is a based on Lingering Will's keyblade gear punch attack. Except LW uses just his keyblade to do it while Terra uses his keyblade and the power of darkness to give it more oomph, it has the same gear spinning effect around it which is one of the only times we see Terra with that. (His delayed keyblade summoning animation is the other time)

    Eraqus doesn't really change his gears that much, like an angry parent he got caught up the in the rage and let it cloud his common sense. However he blames everything he did on darkness both Terra's and his own instead of acknowledging that it's his zealous belief in light that did this. Finally this is a very real portrayal of an abusive and emotionally manipulative parent, which is what Eraqus is. The classic "get mad, beat on child, and then apologize as if that makes it better without actually learning anything". Eraqus was a garbage parent from start to finish and I loved it.

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    Your take on Riku makes a lot of sense! There does seem to be wiggle room for this sort of development, good spot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokey123 View Post
    I'm like 90% is Dark Impulse's hand is a based on Lingering Will's keyblade gear punch attack. Except LW uses just his keyblade to do it while Terra uses his keyblade and the power of darkness to give it more oomph, it has the same gear spinning effect around it which is one of the only times we see Terra with that. (His delayed keyblade summoning animation is the other time)
    Ah, that makes sense! I'll have to mention that.

    Eraqus doesn't really change his gears that much, like an angry parent he got caught up the in the rage and let it cloud his common sense. However he blames everything he did on darkness both Terra's and his own instead of acknowledging that it's his zealous belief in light that did this. Finally this is a very real portrayal of an abusive and emotionally manipulative parent, which is what Eraqus is. The classic "get mad, beat on child, and then apologize as if that makes it better without actually learning anything". Eraqus was a garbage parent from start to finish and I loved it.
    Yes, absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokey123 View Post
    This all just works so well with this scene. Riku is still immature at the time, still has no concept that Terra's promise has nothing to do with him getting a keyblade or not. So when Kairi asks him what he do there he can't say "I will go hunt down a mysterious man who had me hold his giant key for a bit in hopes I can get the power to protect you guys". Thus we've got the awkward stuttering, the bs answer that really sounds like Riku is making up everything he is saying right now up on the spot. And the weariness in his voice as if he's been waiting for something and he's finally sick of waiting, in this case now being contextualized as the keyblade. He doesn't know it's name or what it is just that one day he'd get one and be free to leave the island and yet that day never seemed to come. Then we have this part...

    Kairi: You've been thinking a lot lately, haven't you?
    Riku: Thanks to you. If you hadn't come here, I probably would've never thought of any of this. Kairi, thanks.

    "Probably" is there in his sentence implying that there IS another reason he thought of all this. I think this was meant to be one of the MANY subtle hints (well okay some are really on the nose) in KH1 that Riku had met with and talked to the brown cloaked Ansem. But now it's being retconned to Terra which frankly is a retcon I'm okay with because it fits better.
    Plus the fact that during that piece of dialogue, Sora is looking at him like, "Why are you lying...?" Which makes sense considering we get a flashback at Monstro of Riku talking about leaving the island before they even met Kairi.

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    Okay been sick and busy now I'm catching up I guess I'll take these in halves...

    Terra:

    So I want to state this right now I don't think Aqua's presumption is unfair. According to the way the plot is written as far a Aqua knows Terra has stolen a heart for an evil witch, tried to learn how to use darkness resulting in Zack being a casualty, and now KILLED their master. And that last one no matter how much one may want to spin it is something Aqua can not realistically overlook. She is a little less harsh when she learns he was just trying to protect Ventus however it doesn't change that if Xehanort has been able to make Terra go astray once to do something as terrible as that, then she doesn't have reason to believe he won't go astray a second time. Hell Terra just told her all her misgivings and Eraqus's misgivings/worries were right, he needed to be watched all along. So no I think Aqua is perfectly justified in being skeptical in believing that if Terra fights and continues to play along with Xehanort's little play he will go astray again. And literally the plot supports this because merely like 5 minutes later Terra goes astray and does exactly what Xehanort wants.

    Anyway I'm pretty certain there wasn't any plot where Terra was stealing Xehanort's identity. The original BBS video is largely symbolic much like deep dive and when put in the game like deep dive they removed the symbolic parts. The symbolic parts they removed in this case were Terra's eyes turning into Xehanort's which foreshadowed Terra's possession. And Ventus's frozen keyblade being shattered or rather more specifically broken in half. Which has a double meaning of Ventus being split in two and the shattering of the X-blade that would follow.

    This is also more a nitpick than anything but Xehanort isn't doing the same thing Sora did. Sora used a special keyblade with the power to unlock hearts. This opened his heart releasing Kairi's but it also released his darkness, causing his heart to be quickly consumed/vanish into the darkness while inside his body and turn into a heartless/create a Nobody. Xehanort used a power any master can do with any keyblade (as far as we know) which is he extracted his own heart from his body, and the result yields no heartless or nobody (it seems). Several differences in this are...

    -When Xehanort's keyblade comes out his heart is connected to the end of it where in Sora's case the blade stabbed him then came out clean/empty.
    -Xehanort's method just moved his heart heart outside of his body where he was still very self aware and able to complete control it. Sora's method causes him to begin to fall to sleep you can see it in his eyes (also he literally falls backwards at the end of this as if he just fell asleep), his heart vanishes into the darkness without ever properly leaving his body on screen, and Sora had no control over any of this.
    -Xehanort's body turned transparent (ala Roxas or Namine) but wasn't fading away at all until after his heart took root into a new body officially casting the old one off. Sora's body doesn't turn transparent at all instead it looks like his very being is just kind of coming apart and he just vanishes all at once. The similarities are there for narrative callback but fundamentally almost nothing about Sora and Xehanort's situation was the same from the visuals to the results.

    Moving on Lingering Will isn't really tied to soul and KH doesn't really work off a body, heart, and soul trinity. KH works off a heart, body, and mind trinity instead. The soul in this series is just a component of the body, the spark of life that gives the body er life and is used to separate the idea of pseudo death of splitting someone to the true death of a body by the loss of this spark. It also allows them to use worlds like Olympus because then we see in that world their souls doubling as body replacements. What Lingering Will is, is Terra's mind or to be more accurate it's a copy of Terra's mind. Terra focused his thoughts and feelings into that armor bringing it to life, like copying data from a computer into a different one. I like the computer analogy because LW basically is for all intents and purposes a robot. It had one purpose which is beat Xehanort and once it did that it just laid down. It doesn't try to actually rescue Aqua and Ven nor does it go out hunting Xehanort down, Terra programed it with a single function and when it completed that function it just sits there for 11+ years. Only going berserk when it thinks Xehanort is still around and believes Sora has something to do with Xehanort.

    I'm not sure what to make of the lack of D-linking in the final fight to be honest, I do like the idea he can't use it because the charm isn't on his body though and Ven still could (albeit passively since Vanitas goes and TRIGGERS that D-link which is actually like one of my favorite thing about the final fight. That even when she isn't physically there Aqua already has provided a method for Vanitas's ass to be kicked). In fact I don't think I even realized it till reading this that Terra is the only one who doesn't use the power of the charm to help him achieve victory. Maybe it's because he was using something or "someone" else if those chains are any indication. I dunno either way interesting catch nonetheless.

    Aqua:

    I love that scene with Aqua getting ready to just go in and bash some heads with her keyblade indiscriminately. It's such an "Eraqus" thing to do and is one of the rare times we really get a good look at how Eraqus's teachings/upbringing affected Aqua. Like she is on the track right now to being Eraqus 2.0 and that's great, that's such a good way to show his toxic teachings harm even his best student not just Terra. I wish we could of seen more of this sadly this world has to be first and Aqua has to learn this lesson super early on so no getting to play out the role of a templar sigh....Aqua could of really used this as a kind of arc to grow out of because her story is just so static.

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    I'm loling at your latest post. BbS's plot when laid out in consequential order makes no sense.

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    The Unversed eyes that Aqua sees are those of the Cursed Coach (the black ones on the pumpkin), rather than the Symphony Master.

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    "I’m not even afraid to spoil Aqua’s story by summarizing the unique rooms, take a look! Terra’s three unique rooms are 1 + 2) in Castle of Dreams: the hallway and save room leading to the balcony, and 3) Stitch’s prison in Deep Space. Aqua’s two unique rooms are: 1) a save point in Enchanted Dominion, 2) a large room in Never Land. That’s it!"
    Terra also has the two Skull Rock rooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrovyleTheThief View Post
    The Unversed eyes that Aqua sees are those of the Cursed Coach (the black ones on the pumpkin), rather than the Symphony Master.
    Yep! Symphony Master's eyes look like Ns while Cursed Coach's are the edgy llamas Aqua saw.



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    You're quite right, I should have taken a closer look after Eamonn's comment. I'll correct it!

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    It's funny how, in a series where one of the themes is identity and wanting (and deserving) to be your own person, Nomura basically considers Namine and Xion to be Kairi and not their own character.

    It's sad how Kairi's character has been treated. The second she fulfilled her roll as the princess who needs to saved, she was put on a shelf and ignored, which, funnily, made her look rather uncaring about what was going on in the first game as not only did she not help the other PoH, but doesn't bother trying to help save Riku. And then we have Kairi just randomly appear in the end for no reason to give a touching moment, making me wonder if they actually did plan for her join Sora at point early in development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FudgemintGuardian View Post
    It's funny how, in a series where one of the themes is identity and wanting (and deserving) to be your own person, Nomura basically considers Namine and Xion to be Kairi and not their own character.
    Man, I won't put it into the Nitpicks thread simply because it's almost an actual plot hole.
    I can concede Xion is currently lost in Oblivion Lane, but I guess Naminé wasn't important (read: Keyblade-equipped) enough to have her own existential dialogue with Kairi.

    She literally lived as a slave of Marluxia first and DiZ second, then when her job was done she basically dissolved into Kairi and no one had any objection to it.

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    It's pretty clear that we'll see Namine again in KH3, but if she gets shelved there because she doesn't have a Keyblade, I'm gonna be pissed.

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    I love your writing style and have enjoyed all of these but you frequently bring in your far left post modernist political commentary into it. I'm pretty left leaning myself, but its blatantly distracting when it goes beyond a paragraph into preachy territory.

    Are you like a young university student? I'm assuming you are based on your constant use of buzzwords and terminology like "light supremacy (aka white supremacy)", "Gender Studies" (that humanities department course), and "trigger warnings". Now there's nothing wrong with using these terms, but its your insistent push to seed them into your writing that comes off as condescending towards anyone who doesn't subscribe to your ideology.

    I noticed this the most in your first entry on Neverland in Birth By Sleep. You went for like 2 to 3 paragraphs addressing how "problematic" calling it the Indian Camp was. There was a similar issue with the name of Washington Redskins Football team and most of the outrage came from privileged white people. When they actually asked Native Americans what they thought, it turned out in a poll that 9 in 10 didn't give a shit about the name. If you're going to get offended for another group of people based on a map name taken from a film from the 1950's, why preach it to us?

    There's a huge grey area in most of these issues, the world is not so black & white.
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