Tidus or Cloud. Who was the better character?

[Reckless Chaos]

I know what he said, but I don't think he meant copy him. Not personality wise but he copied everything else about Zack. Cloud was not deeper then them. Tidus's childhood was worse. His mother died and his father acted like a complete jerk to him and like he didn't even love him. He had a deep story.

Cloud survived thanks to Zack. If Zack wasn't there, Cloud would have never recovered right and been brain dead. Who's body isn't training in Final Fantasy?

[Neo Ragnarok]

ITT: Fags who still think Cloud is emo.

I voted for Cloud since I knew the poll would be one sided. FF7 isn't cool anymore because FF7 is so cool. LOL i'm hip rite?

People can't accept the fact that Cloud is not emo. He's a human. He had someone he cared about killed right in front of him, and he couldn't do anything about it. I think that would make plenty of people "emo". Guess what! Cloud didn't sit around and /wrist with Buster Sword until Disc 3. The guy picked his ass up and kept moving forward even though he was scared to death about what he'd find out about himself. That's not emo, that's called having balls.

The same thing goes for Tidus. The dude found out he wasn't even real, and if Yuna was to live, he was to die. That's the ultimate sacrifice in my opinion. Tidus grows up substantially through Final Fantasy X, which is attributed to a great story of character development. He's annoying and childish for 90% of the game however, hating his dad because his dad took his mom's attention away from himself.

No, his father wasn't an mean to him, he was mean to his father. Those flashbacks are seen through Tidus' eyes. They're biased. He finally grows up when he realizes there are things in the world bigger than himself, and he learns to accept that and work towards the common good and stop focusing so much on himself.

Cloud however is a deeper character in my honest opinion. His story is a tragic one, yet he finds the strength in himself and with the people around him to move on and push past the sadness. But no, that's right. Cloud's an emo who is butthurt because of Sephiroth. Play the game and understand the character before believing what you see in Advent Children and whatnot. Cloud is confused from the start of the game thanks to the Hojo experiments. He has to deal with his only real "friend", Zack, die in front of him first while protecting him. He's upset about this, because he's felt he's been weak his entire life, and nothing has changed. So much more crap happens to Cloud in 7 than happens to Tidus. What happens to Tidus?
OMG Yuna is getting married to another guy ;~; OMG Yuna is going to die ;~; OMG Yuna didn't die ;~;.

Cloud has to get messed with by Jenova and Sephiroth from start til stop of it, nearly killed Arith with his own sword, gets Mako Poisoning *again*, and loses all sense of self and who he really is. He has internal struggles of trying to find out who he is and what he fights for. Tidus had his spelt out for him. Does it make Tidus a weaker character? No. Just different. Cloud is just as good a character as anyone else in Final Fantasy, but god forbid you have to actually read the dialog and use that lumpy thing between your ears to find out about it.

[Chosen Again]

OMG Sephiroth killed someone OMG Sephiroth ran away OMG Sephiroth killed someone OMG Sephiroth is repeating the same patern.

At least Cloud always knew that he existed. Tidus had to deal with the fact that he didn't exist. Plus his dad was a bit of a drunk.

[Reckless Chaos]

Wait. Tifa was Cloud's friend when he was younger. Tidus's mom died when he was younger, His father disappeared. Also he talked bad to his son. Trying using your ears next time they speak in the game. Then he found out the same man that talked bad to him and he hated was Sin. He was on a trip, believing he was to take yuna to Zanarkand not knowing it was destroyed nor she was to die. He learned he would fade if he saved the world, that Yuna was meant to die, and still went with everything. He killed his own father which would be hard for any teen. Then saved the world knowing he could never be with Yuna again and faded away. Tidus came a long way and he was deep. So many things he was faced with and had a mature love with Yuna. Tidus is just deeper then Cloud.

[Chosen Again]

I can do nothing but agree.

[Koji]

Originally Posted by Reckless Chaos

I know what he said, but I don't think he meant copy him. Not personality wise but he copied everything else about Zack. Cloud was not deeper then them. Tidus's childhood was worse. His mother died and his father acted like a complete jerk to him and like he didn't even love him. He had a deep story.

Cloud survived thanks to Zack. If Zack wasn't there, Cloud would have never recovered right and been brain dead. Who's body isn't training in Final Fantasy?

Cloud did not copy Zack, I dont know where you get that impression. They are totally different people. Cloud only told the story of Zack's legacy in Nibelheim and tried to get revenge on Zack's death. He said he'd live out both their lives, meaning that if Zack were alive, Shinra and Sephiroth would be no more. Cloud only tried to keep his promise. Tidus was not deep at all. We find only a few details on his childhood. His father loved him but was sad that Tidus never made him proud. It was Tidus who continually cried in hate of his father. Jecht used to be away so often yet he'd always come to visit his family. Tidus was jealous of Jecht getting his mother's attention rather than him. He was just a spoiled kid who cried all the time. His dad didnt hate him. Cloud didnt have a dad, Sephiroth(the guy he looked up to) killed his mom. He was left alone in the Shinra army and built his life up by himself.

Originally Posted by Chosen Again

OMG Sephiroth killed someone OMG Sephiroth ran away OMG Sephiroth killed someone OMG Sephiroth is repeating the same patern.

At least Cloud always knew that he existed. Tidus had to deal with the fact that he didn't exist. Plus his dad was a bit of a drunk.

OMG Sin killed someone, OMG Sin disappeared.... Tidus existed. He just wasnt human, he was a dream of the fayth. Cloud lost everything to him, but continued to keep on going.

Originally Posted by Reckless Chaos

Wait. Tifa was Cloud's friend when he was younger. Tidus's mom died when he was younger, His father disappeared. Also he talked bad to his son. Trying using your ears next time they speak in the game. Then he found out the same man that talked bad to him and he hated was Sin. He was on a trip, believing he was to take yuna to Zanarkand not knowing it was destroyed nor she was to die. He learned he would fade if he saved the world, that Yuna was meant to die, and still went with everything. He killed his own father which would be hard for any teen. Then saved the world knowing he could never be with Yuna again and faded away. Tidus came a long way and he was deep. So many things he was faced with and had a mature love with Yuna. Tidus is just deeper then Cloud.

Cloud had no friends when he was young. He knew who Tifa was and made a promise to her, but she never liked to hang out with him. Cloud's mother died too. Cloud grew up without a father. Cloud persued a goal to become like his role model, Sephiroth. Later he finds that Sephiroth killed his mother. Thats worse than having someone you hate becoming something you hate. Then Cloud also lost Zack and Aerith on the way. He also continued to save the world even though he knew he would die (not just fade away but actually die). Tidus may have a bit of depth but theres no chance ever that he's as deep as Cloud.

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

Play the game and understand the character before believing what you see in Advent Children and whatnot.

Smartest comment I've seen here. People watch Advent Children and then "read on the net" about FF7. Cloud was not the same way in FF7. Cloud was dying in Advent Children and he didnt want his kids to know. Thats why he felt very sad. But after he loses his geostigma he is back to his normal self. Before he got the Geostigma, when he just met Denzel and stuff during those events, he was a pretty cool guy, making money to soup up his bike, telling Denzel and Marlene stories about his deliveries, and he lived a casual life. So when people say Cloud is emo, I automatically think "You obviously havent played FF7 or you couldnt understand any of it." Most people are like "Oh taht guy sed cloud is emo. lulz, i no, ill say liek teh sem thin"

[Neo Ragnarok]

Originally Posted by Chosen Again

OMG Sephiroth killed someone OMG Sephiroth ran away OMG Sephiroth killed someone OMG Sephiroth is repeating the same patern.

At least Cloud always knew that he existed. Tidus had to deal with the fact that he didn't exist. Plus his dad was a bit of a drunk.

In reference to Cloud and his experiences... more than just Sephiroth happens to him during the course of the game. He loses everything but those friends by his side, and continues to fight not for himself, not even for his friends, but for the world. One of the first lines in the game of Cloud's during the elevator ride into the first reactor.

Originally Posted by Final Fantasy 7

Barret
"Little by little the reactors'll drain out all the life. And
that'll be that."

Cloud
"It's not my problem."

Barret
"The planet's dyin', Cloud!"

Cloud
"The only thing I care about is finishin' this job before
security and the Roboguards come."

Clearly Cloud at the beginning of the game is a self preservationist and selfish. Hardly emo. His personality problems (besides losing most of it thanks to Jenova and Zack's death) stem from the fact he grew up alone and had no friends. He never trusted anyone before he met Zack. It took a while for him to open up and accept that others actually cared about him. It's not emo, it's called putting up walls so that he doesn't get hurt again. If he was emo, he'd walk around in a black leather jacket, tight black pants, and have a beautiful white mane around the lining of his jacket.

As for Tidus, he did exist. He just wasn't really... you know... alive. He was special. They never explained how or why a dream could touch things and interact with the real world, but then again the fayth's are able to, so *shrugs*. He existed, he just decided his false life wasn't as important as Yuna's. Admirable to be sure. Don't get me wrong, I do like Tidus. I just feel Cloud is a deeper character... that's all.

Originally Posted by Reckless Chaos

Wait. Tifa was Cloud's friend when he was younger. Tidus's mom died when he was younger, His father disappeared. Also he talked bad to his son. Trying using your ears next time they speak in the game. Then he found out the same man that talked bad to him and he hated was Sin. He was on a trip, believing he was to take yuna to Zanarkand not knowing it was destroyed nor she was to die. He learned he would fade if he saved the world, that Yuna was meant to die, and still went with everything. He killed his own father which would be hard for any teen. Then saved the world knowing he could never be with Yuna again and faded away. Tidus came a long way and he was deep. So many things he was faced with and had a mature love with Yuna. Tidus is just deeper then Cloud.

Like Koji said, Tifa never was his friend. They lived next door to each other all their lives, but they were ANYTHING but friends. Tifa was popular. Tifa had friends. Cloud did not. People didn't like Cloud and his mom, since they probably though she was something of a failure... since his father wasn't around. This is not so far fetched, people feel like this these days when you see a single mother raising a child.

Tidus' mom died, yes, but so did Cloud's. Cloud never had a father. Tidus had a father whom he loathed not because his father was a drunk bastard, but because his father took away his mother's attention. Tidus loved his mother... probably more than was healthy. He hates his father because he loves his father. Tidus is complicated because he makes no sense. Hating his father is how he keeps his father alive inside of him. No, he didn't find out the man he hated and the man who talked bad to him was Sin, he found out his father, whom he thought was dead, was alive. Not only that, he had become a monster that terrorized Spira. He joined the trip with Yuna because Auron brought him along with him. Auron was fulfilling a promise to Jecht, not to Tidus. Wow, Jecht... hates Tidus right? Yet wanted to make sure that his son was taken care of. Tidus was a crybaby, and Jecht wanted desperately for him to grow up and be a man... to stop crying. To be able to live on his own. Tidus created all of the evils that Jecht spouted. Like I tried to say before, you weren't witnessing his flashbacks from a neutral point of view. You saw them from Tidus' point of view. You as the player were made to hate Jecht how Tidus hated Jecht. Jecht was a great man in EVERYONE'S point of view... besides Tidus'. Who's crazy now? The world... or one jaded selfish kid?

Tidus did mature, definitely. However he matured thanks to his father, who helped him grow up. Jecht wanted Tidus to want to surpass himself, he wanted Tidus to grow up and have a goal and have a reason for becoming strong. It sure worked, didn't it?

Originally Posted by Koji

Smartest comment I've seen here. People watch Advent Children and then "read on the net" about FF7. Cloud was not the same way in FF7. Cloud was dying in Advent Children and he didnt want his kids to know. Thats why he felt very sad. But after he loses his geostigma he is back to his normal self. Before he got the Geostigma, when he just met Denzel and stuff during those events, he was a pretty cool guy, making money to soup up his bike, telling Denzel and Marlene stories about his deliveries, and he lived a casual life. So when people say Cloud is emo, I automatically think "You obviously havent played FF7 or you couldnt understand any of it." Most people are like "Oh taht guy sed cloud is emo. lulz, i no, ill say liek teh sem thin"

Cloud was indeed dying in AC, and not only just that... he's fine with dying I feel. However if he died he would have to face Zack and Arith again in the lifestream. How could he face them? He thought they both hated him... who wouldn't? Zack gave up his life to help Cloud (Cloud wouldn't feel like he deserved that from anyone), and Arith died trying to save him and the world... and he wasn't able to save her, even though he cared about her. He hated himself for his weakness, a weakness he's had since the beginning of Final Fantasy VII during his childhood.

If Cloud was an emo crybitch, why would all of those people look up to him and respect him so much? No, Cloud has inner strength, the strength to preserve past all obstacles to continue to fight for what he believes in, no matter what the outcome. He's not only as brave as Tidus was when Tidus was going to be wiped from existence, he's braver in that he didn't know what would happen. If Cloud failed, the world was going to end, and everyone he met on his journey would have died. If Tidus failed, the world would have continued the same way it had been going. All existence would not have been wiped out. Both had to face demons. Tidus had to face his father, whom he held an undying envy for. Cloud had to face Sephiroth, who took away Arith, his mother, and while he was in SOLIDER, was exactly the type of person Cloud wished he could be (strong, brave, admired). Eh... Cloud overcomes a whole hell of a lot. Not to put down Tidus again, since like I said before, I like him... Cloud is just... more human. He feels more, and he's lost more and he struggles more. Thusly he's a deeper character.

[staticsonic]

Cloud has a big sword...

[Tragic Fall]

Chosen Again only asumes that Cloud's experiences are only Sephiroth related. Chosen has never actually played the game.

I like Cloud. I think he is a cool and deep character. I just happen to like Tidus more.

[Chosen Again]

Originally Posted by Tragic Fall

Chosen Again only asumes that Cloud's experiences are only Sephiroth related. Chosen has never actually played the game.

I like Cloud. I think he is a cool and deep character. I just happen to like Tidus more.

Tragic Fall is limited at best in his knowledge of what I've done. And in this particular case is VERY VERY wrong. Considering I have, in fact, beaten the game.

[Tragic Fall]

No you haven't you freaken liar.

[TWDIS]

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

ITT: Fags who still think Cloud is emo.

I voted for Cloud since I knew the poll would be one sided. FF7 isn't cool anymore because FF7 is so cool. LOL i'm hip rite?

People can't accept the fact that Cloud is not emo. He's a human. He had someone he cared about killed right in front of him, and he couldn't do anything about it. I think that would make plenty of people "emo". Guess what! Cloud didn't sit around and /wrist with Buster Sword until Disc 3. The guy picked his ass up and kept moving forward even though he was scared to death about what he'd find out about himself. That's not emo, that's called having balls.

The same thing goes for Tidus. The dude found out he wasn't even real, and if Yuna was to live, he was to die. That's the ultimate sacrifice in my opinion. Tidus grows up substantially through Final Fantasy X, which is attributed to a great story of character development. He's annoying and childish for 90% of the game however, hating his dad because his dad took his mom's attention away from himself.

No, his father wasn't an mean to him, he was mean to his father. Those flashbacks are seen through Tidus' eyes. They're biased. He finally grows up when he realizes there are things in the world bigger than himself, and he learns to accept that and work towards the common good and stop focusing so much on himself.

Cloud however is a deeper character in my honest opinion. His story is a tragic one, yet he finds the strength in himself and with the people around him to move on and push past the sadness. But no, that's right. Cloud's an emo who is butthurt because of Sephiroth. Play the game and understand the character before believing what you see in Advent Children and whatnot. Cloud is confused from the start of the game thanks to the Hojo experiments. He has to deal with his only real "friend", Zack, die in front of him first while protecting him. He's upset about this, because he's felt he's been weak his entire life, and nothing has changed. So much more crap happens to Cloud in 7 than happens to Tidus. What happens to Tidus?
OMG Yuna is getting married to another guy ;~; OMG Yuna is going to die ;~; OMG Yuna didn't die ;~;.

Cloud has to get messed with by Jenova and Sephiroth from start til stop of it, nearly killed Arith with his own sword, gets Mako Poisoning *again*, and loses all sense of self and who he really is. He has internal struggles of trying to find out who he is and what he fights for. Tidus had his spelt out for him. Does it make Tidus a weaker character? No. Just different. Cloud is just as good a character as anyone else in Final Fantasy, but god forbid you have to actually read the dialog and use that lumpy thing between your ears to find out about it.

QFET(quoted for extream truth) I agree like 100% with this Cloud has a more tragic and deeper character than Tidus.