Final Fantasy : The Spirits Within

[Sir Jecht]

I think Sakaguchi got the point that most people wanted a FF movie that was more "familiar" to them instead of a movie that had the overall meaning of the entire series since no one knows what the hell it is.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

it's funny though. You can just tell how FF is.

How can i put this in a more understanding way.............

its so easy to familiarize FF, and although Spirits Within was an FF production it just didn't have that feel, regardless of the natural elements.

FF7 and 8 is a bit different from the other FF's as well

[Sir Jecht]

Originally Posted by *~NeoAdamus~*

it's funny though. You can just tell how FF is.

How can i put this in a more understanding way.............

its so easy to familiarize FF, and although Spirits Within was an FF production it just didn't have that feel, regardless of the natural elements.

FF7 and 8 is a bit different from the other FF's as well

No obviously if SW was brushed off as a movie that had nothing to do with FF.

FF as a whole uses main themes that were incorporated strongly in the movie. The pacifist theme, the pro-environmental theme and the spiritual theme, we are more familiar with the Romance theme or the rebellion theme or the basic good vs evil than the others mentioned before. These themes are always present in FF but the series has become more about the appearance and recognizable reoccurring characters that the other true aspects of the series are forgotten or ignored by fans besides the ones that don't require thinking(ex. Love). Sakaguchi tried to show these themes to fans but ironically because it didn't seem like a FF (even though it truly was) it failed. FFVII and VIII do not differentiate from those themes, it just takes a different approach and setting in the same way SW did.

Our familiarity with the series is very different than what it's creator is and that was obvious with SW. The way he went about the movies wasn't bad, it just wasn't something people understood. If it was set up differently maybe it would have did better, who knows fans are fickle.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

i understand what you mean. It was somewhat a different perspective from its FF counterparts. The movie wasnt bad at all but i understood it perfectly. When it comes to the creators of FF variety is important and SW just happened to be one beyond the games

you have to admit though, the good vs. evil is classic fantasy style

i dunno, i guess it's just what im used to

[bamak93]

From what I hear, it lacks a lot of key elements; gil, moogles, airships, etc.

FF7 AC was a good film with a bad story. I enjoyed it the first time through, but I needed to watch it 4-5 times before I had anywhere close to a full understanding of it. The fighting sequences are very enjoyable in AC, which is more than some people can say about SW.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

AC wasn't much but then again it wasn't at all their full potential

[Sir Jecht]

Originally Posted by *~NeoAdamus~*

you have to admit though, the good vs. evil is classic fantasy style

i dunno, i guess it's just what im used to

The themes I mentioned before are classic FF also but just like you said you are more used to the good vs evil style since it's fairly obvious in every FF. You don't have to analyze FF's I-XII to know there were bad people that you had to stop but in every FF the idea of either honoring the spirits of the world, avoiding warfare, the nature vs technology aspects, etc are there too.

When I heard SW was coming out I was told it had nothing to do with FF and didn't watch it, it wasn't until I watched it twice and thought about the connections that I really understood or began to get that FF just wasn't about crystals or lifestream but more so what those elements represent.

I'm probably just adding too much subtext to the series.

Originally Posted by bamak93

From what I hear, it lacks a lot of key elements; gil, moogles, airships, etc.

These elements don't truly define whether a FF is one or not, they are just trademarks of the series.

I enjoyed it the first time through, but I needed to watch it 4-5 times before I had anywhere close to a full understanding of it.

I don't know why everything the Kitase group does ends up being more confusing than it should be, isn't not like in a "Oh I didn't see that coming" but more like "What the fuck just happened, is Cloud high on the mako again?" way.

Originally Posted by *~NeoAdamus~*

AC wasn't much but then again it wasn't at all their full potential

They weren't trying to make a film that showed their full potential story wise, there was no point for squeal because hell every FF can have a sequel. Kitase,Nomura etc just wanted to do something about FFVII, since they love it so much.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

I think it was more fanservice then anything. Perhaps the movie showing their potential, or their idea of making a connection to the Dirge of Cerberus game.

But you right, it doesnt need all the elements we are familiar with to be FF. Then again the original creator of FF had a set mind of what he wanted FF to be, and i think the variety shown now days kind of irked him as he stated his problem with the way FF is treating itself amongst many other problems.

Either way I think the FF title was used as a signature for the movie because they also have games like The Last Remnant, that in a way are FF, but arent.

THE LAST REMNANT | SQUARE ENIX

if you know what i mean

[Sir Jecht]

Originally Posted by *~NeoAdamus~*

But you right, it doesnt need all the elements we are familiar with to be FF. Then again the original creator of FF had a set mind of what he wanted FF to be, and i think the variety shown now days kind of irked him as he stated his problem with the way FF is treating itself amongst many other problems

I don't know, I don't think it's the variety it's the way it's treated by S-E now as a cash cow. Sometimes I think he just sits in his office at Mistwalker and when he sees a FF commercial he just wonders why he just didn't fire everyone when he had the chance or at least have some people beheaded or set a flame or shot or tortured or mangled or killed Aerith style(I'm sure they appreciate that).

Either way I think the FF title was used as a signature for the movie because they also have games like The Last Remnant, that in a way are FF, but arent.

THE LAST REMNANT | SQUARE ENIX

if you know what i mean

Well yeah there are always going to be titles like FF within S-E but I say when God (Sakaguchi) says it's FF I believe him.

Also LR looks f*cking awesome, I'm so getting that game, 11.20.08 I got it marked down. I is ready for the awesomeness to begin.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

hell yeah, Lost Remnant looks so bad ass