Final Fantasy VII

[Raeneth]

Originally Posted by Koji

I just equipped him with that materia (believe it or not, I dunno what its called now) that lets him take the attack directed to another person so that his limit bar fills faster. Also equip counter to him if you're gonna use that materia.

Cover :3

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

In the place where there is a weird music at Northern Crater, you should find the Materia shield, or something like that. Use it when you face Jenova Synthesis, it greatly protect you from her Ultima. And except Ultima, she has not really terrible attack.

But I advice you to level up. If you have difficulties against Jenova, you won't succeed to what come next.

From what I remember, Synthesis doesn't cast Ultima until the very end.

Also, guy, I feel for you against the boss after Synthesis without KOTR... that materia takes it out in one shot ._. I've never actually fought that one hand to hand.

Basically cast anything and everything that hits all targets. That, or level up and go get some spiffy materia like Mime and Quad Magic :3

[SuperEclipse]

If you think Zack is the real hero, then I'm forced to say you don't know the story of Final Fantasy VII. And having said that, the rest of your opinion regarding the legitimacy of the plot line is null and void in my mind.

If wasn't for Zack, Cloud would be dead long ago..

Hell Cloud would be dead if wasn't for Tifa and the others, he was weakling, he isn't this strong hero like people claim

And in FFVII:AC if that was the real Sehpy((well using his own body)) Cloud would have got his little ass kicked.. He if he wasn't ****ing around Cloud would have dead..((He need cheap ass move form him too win ;) )))

And a lot of it has been copied and used afterwards as well. I can't seem to think of too many other JRPG before FF7 that dealt with planet jumping alien lifeforms, a silver haired momma's boy, and a main character with as screwed up a head as Cloud's was. Clearly this has been copied since, but it doesn't make it unoriginal if FF7 came first now does it?

Silver haried man was before Sehpy times.. Watch anime

And they was JRPG before FFVII where the main character dead, where the villain was one ****ed up mother F_cker, etc.. FFVII did some new stuff but didn't do a hell of lot like people claim..

[Beautiful Chaos]

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

If wasn't for Zack, Cloud would be dead long ago..

Hell Cloud would be dead if wasn't for Tifa and the others, he was weakling, he isn't this strong hero like people claim

And in FFVII:AC if that was the real Sehpy((well using his own body)) Cloud would have got his little ass kicked.. He if he wasn't ****ing around Cloud would have dead..((He need cheap ass move form him too win ;) )))

Cloud beat Sephiroth. Therefore, the hero. Avalanche hired Cloud, because they needed him, so if it wasn't for Cloud, Barret and Tifa etc. would be dead.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Silver haried man was before Sehpy times.. Watch anime

And they was JRPG before FFVII where the main character dead, where the villain was one ****ed up mother F_cker, etc.. FFVII did some new stuff but didn't do a hell of lot like people claim..

Don't just say games did it before, give examples. Anyone can say "FF7 is just a copy of a game" and not give evidence.

[SuperEclipse]

Cloud beat Sephiroth. Therefore, the hero. Avalanche hired Cloud, because they needed him, so if it wasn't for Cloud, Barret and Tifa etc. would be dead.

Cloud didn't beat Sephy alone and with Cloud's friends he would be dead.. Sorry..

Don't just say games did it before, give examples. Anyone can say "FF7 is just a copy of a game" and not give evidence.
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Games in and anime had silver haired man before Sehpy.. I though any JRPG fan would know this. When I get up, I'll post some.. Well that make you happy?

[Beautiful Chaos]

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Cloud didn't beat Sephy alone and with Cloud's friends he would be dead.. Sorry..

Have you actually completed the game? lol. Cloud beat him alone, in the final battle.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Games in and anime had silver haired man before Sehpy.. I though any JRPG fan would know this. When I get up, I'll post some.. Well that make you happy?

I didn't say i was a JRPG fan. I like FF7. And yes, that would be nice.

[SuperEclipse]

Have you actually completed the game? lol. Cloud beat him alone, in the final battle.

You do know that was in Cloud's head right? It was sign of Cloud letting go.

Cloud could never beat the real Sephiroth alone in a fight. Sephiroth would f__ Cloud up, he about killed Cloud using Kadaj's weak body and would had if he was playing around.

I didn't say i was a JRPG fan. I like FF7. And yes, that would be nice.

Shin Natsume looks a lot like him.(came out around the sametime))(I mean the Manga not the anime))

http://www.avexmovie.jp/lineup/tente.../sin_chara.jpg

There's Vision of Escaflowne's Allan Schezar who bears the good guy resemblance to Sephiroth.(came out before FFVII)(he just needs sliver hair))
http://escaflowne.anime.net/images/c...en_crusade.gif

http://www.sempai.org/~felicia/pics/misc/allen.jpg

Then there's Setzer from FFVI.

Just look at this comparison of Setzer, Alucard, and Sephiroth.

http://thor.mirtna.org/oddities/look...hsetzer-01.jpg


There are many examples.(I will be glad too post))) In fact, there is much much better one.. But it will take me while too find it because I don't know the name of the game and it's 5:16 am. So I'd that later today.

These should show his nothing really new. I will post the silver haired characters later today..

[Beautiful Chaos]

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

You do know that was in Cloud's head right? It was sign of Cloud letting go.

No it's not. He killed him. There's absolutely no evidence to back up that it was in Clouds head.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Shin Natsume looks a lot like him.(came out around the sametime))

http://www.avexmovie.jp/lineup/tente.../sin_chara.jpg

there's Vision of Escaflowne's Allan Schezar who bears the good guy resemblance to Sephiroth.(came out before FFVII)(he just needs sliver hair))
http://escaflowne.anime.net/images/c...en_crusade.gif

http://www.sempai.org/~felicia/pics/misc/allen.jpg

Then there's Setzer from FFVI.

Just look at this comparison of Setzer, Alucard, and Sephiroth.

http://thor.mirtna.org/oddities/look...hsetzer-01.jpg


There are many examples.(I will be glad too post))) In fact, there is much much better one.. But it will take me while too find it because I don't know the name of the game and it's 5:16 am. So I'd that later today.

I iwll post the silver haired characters later.. Sephiroth is nothing new.

So Sephiroth is nothing new because he has long silver hair? LOL.

Also, i was talking about the storyline being unorigional, not the characters. I'd like examples of games that were similar to FF7.

[SuperEclipse]

No it's not. He killed him. There's absolutely no evidence to back up that it was in Clouds head.

It was his head..

So Sephiroth is nothing new because he has long silver hair? LOL.

I showed you pic of characters that looked liked himd didn't I? You asked for them.

Also another good is Ghaleon(A villain in Lunar))

Also, i was talking about the storyline being unorigional, not the characters. I'd like examples of games that were similar to FF7.

I said lot of things in FFVII was nothing new and they are better JRPG with better stories.. I didn't say all the story was unorigional..

Like the part where she dead, nothing new a main dead before.. Sehpy killing people wow what villian hasn't done that?

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

If wasn't for Zack, Cloud would be dead long ago..

Hell Cloud would be dead if wasn't for Tifa and the others, he was weakling, he isn't this strong hero like people claim

Every video game hero has some good and bad moment. Zack is indeed a hero, but Cloud is a the true hero, and it comes from someone who's not a Cloud fan. Cloud could defeat Sephiroth not once, but three time, he saved Zack's life in case you don't know, because I doubt Sephiroth would have left Zack alive if no one stopped him at Nibelheim. Cloud also took care of Tifa, he has been experimented on, he had his memories modified because of the experiment, he had to bear the dead of Zack and Aerith, he had to bear the fact he is the one who gave the Black Materia to Sephiroth, and still, he succeeded to protect people he cares about.

You do know that was in Cloud's head right? It was sign of Cloud letting go.

The last battle in FF7 wasn't in Cloud's head. It was the true Sephiroth, and once he was defeated, he started his Geostigma plan.

Cloud could never beat the real Sephiroth alone in a fight. Sephiroth would f__ Cloud up, he about killed Cloud using Kadaj's weak body and would had if he was playing around.

Do you even know what Kadaj is? Kadaj is a spirit of Sephiroth, once Kadaj infused Sephiroth's spirit into the Jenova's cell, they divided at exponentials speed and created Sephiroth's body. Meaning Sephiroth body was made fully of Jenova's cell infused with his soul, it's to say the most resisting body you could imagine. In more, he had huge quantities of negative lifestream, the guide itself state that Sephiroth is nearly a god like being in AC.
But yeah, he's arrogant, and at the end, following Nomura's word, Cloud can defeat anyone because he protects people he loves, and even Sephiroth AC, the god like being, is defeated by Cloud.

[Raeneth]

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

If wasn't for Zack, Cloud would be dead long ago..

Hell Cloud would be dead if wasn't for Tifa and the others, he was weakling, he isn't this strong hero like people claim

And in FFVII:AC if that was the real Sehpy((well using his own body)) Cloud would have got his little ass kicked.. He if he wasn't ****ing around Cloud would have dead..((He need cheap ass move form him too win ;) )))

1. Zack saving Cloud has nothing to do with Zack being the "true hero" of Final Fantasy VII.
2. Cloud is strong. Has has always had inner strength. He's not only alive because of Tifa and the others, and if he was so weak, why did everyone rally around him and support him and follow him? He's strong, he's a leader, and he is most certainly a hero.
3. Cloud did face Sephiroth in Sephiroth's own body, and he killed him. Play the game moar plz?

And they was JRPG before FFVII where the main character dead, where the villain was one ****ed up mother F_cker, etc.. FFVII did some new stuff but didn't do a hell of lot like people claim..

Sorry to say, but no one is claiming FF7 invented the wheel. However, they did innovate a lot of shit such as cinematic cut scenes to tell the story, pre rendered backgrounds, the ATB, and the fact the whole game was done in 3d. These are the things that FF7 did that revolutionized the RPG and games in general, and helped shape games that have come afterwards. If you don't care for the story, don't play the game. I sure won't lose sleep over it.

Silver haried man was before Sehpy times.. Watch anime

I forgot anime were JRPG... sorry.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Cloud didn't beat Sephy alone and with Cloud's friends he would be dead.. Sorry..

False... Nibelheim reactor.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Cloud could never beat the real Sephiroth alone in a fight. Sephiroth would f__ Cloud up, he about killed Cloud using Kadaj's weak body and would had if he was playing around.

And yet Cloud STILL managed to finish off Sephiroth in the Nibelheim Reactor... hmm...

Shin Natsume looks a lot like him.(came out around the sametime))(I mean the Manga not the anime))

http://www.avexmovie.jp/lineup/tente.../sin_chara.jpg

The manga started in 1998 -> After Final Fantasy VII was out.

There's Vision of Escaflowne's Allan Schezar who bears the good guy resemblance to Sephiroth.(came out before FFVII)(he just needs sliver hair))
http://escaflowne.anime.net/images/c...en_crusade.gif

True enough, they do look similar besides the hair, and it does predate FF7. Sephiroth's design may have been inspired by him. (See how I actually am willing to accept things?)

Just look at this comparison of Setzer, Alucard, and Sephiroth.

http://thor.mirtna.org/oddities/look...hsetzer-01.jpg

Sorry, but slapping silver hair on a generic anime face doesn't make them carbon copies of Sephiroth, nor anything else. Also, Square is allowed to recycle or be inspired by their own designs when it comes to Setzer. SoTN also came out after Final Fantasy VII, though in the same year.

These should show his nothing really new. I will post the silver haired characters later today..

From a character design standpoint, yes. A silver haired man in a borderline gay trenchcoat isn't really the most creative thing ever, but who he is as a character is what people like. Personally I don't see what's so amazingly awesome about Sephiroth myself, but meh.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

I said lot of things in FFVII was nothing new and they are better JRPG with better stories.. I didn't say all the story was unorigional..

Like the part where she dead, nothing new a main dead before.. Sehpy killing people wow what villian hasn't done that?

So when Aerith died, it was nothing new? Then why is it considered one of the most tragic deaths in video game history? Not to mention it's also widely regarded as one of the most memorable moments from the Final Fantasy series. Again, if you don't like it, fine. You don't have to.

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

The last battle in FF7 wasn't in Cloud's head. It was the true Sephiroth, and once he was defeated, he started his Geostigma plan.

All evidence points to the fact that it was indeed in his head. I mean he travels through that crazy ass tunnel stuff while he's already at the damn near center of the planet. Where could he have gone? and how could he have gone all that way back in order to escape alive at the end? Chances are it's more of a mental battle to finish off Sephiroth. Then again, that's up to the player to decide if it's mental or physical. That's part of what makes it an interesting game.

[Koji]

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

Cover :3

Yeah, thanks, lol. Thats the one. XP

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

And in FFVII:AC if that was the real Sehpy((well using his own body)) Cloud would have got his little ass kicked.

That was the real Sephiroth. Its the Jenova Reunion that Kadaj speaks about. In FF7, they used the Jenova reunion to resurrect Sephiroth, and its the same thing done in AC.

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Cloud didn't beat Sephy alone and with Cloud's friends he would be dead.. Sorry..

In Nibelheim 5 years before FF7, Cloud killed Sephiroth. In AC, he killed Sephy again.

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

Every video game hero has some good and bad moment. Zack is indeed a hero, but Cloud is a the true hero, and it comes from someone who's not a Cloud fan. Cloud could defeat Sephiroth not once, but three time, he saved Zack's life in case you don't know, because I doubt Sephiroth would have left Zack alive if no one stopped him at Nibelheim. Cloud also took care of Tifa, he has been experimented on, he had his memories modified because of the experiment, he had to bear the dead of Zack and Aerith, he had to bear the fact he is the one who gave the Black Materia to Sephiroth, and still, he succeeded to protect people he cares about.

I never really thought of it like that. I'm finally seeing the difference between a hero and a true hero. Honestly I never saw Cloud as a hero. But I guess, being super strong isnt really what makes a person a hero. But sacrificing to save others is what makes a true hero. Cloud had alot of hardships, but he always helped others rather than just trying to help himself. And people felt safe around him because they all believed in Cloud. I think I'm becoming more of a Cloud fan (if thats possible).

[guyfromcrowd]

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

It was his head.

what proof have you?

Originally Posted by SuperEclipse

Sehpy killing people wow what villian hasn't done that?

yes, it's true all villans have done that. where thats true, how many villans went insane and thought they were an ancient, then suddenly thought that their mother was an alien lifeform just because one of their former freinds tried to kill them, and said so, and then, after all that, tried destroy the planet for it? having some problems thinking? i thought so.

[KairiStar1]

Uh, I think Vincent is way cool. Ever since I found him in the game Ive tried to keep him in the party (stupid aeris) and hes pretty powerful. Ive got him equipped with deathblow, long range, counter and double cut, which means hes shooting like, twice every turn LOL. and can we say Galian Beast?! Hes my new favorite (sorry Cloud!!)

uh but, hey guys? Wouldnt it be ABSOLUTELY EPIC if they remade FFVII? I mean, think of the graphics, and all the new little things they could add!! What if it was again, three discs? Would you play it?

I could see a remake coming out after all three FFXIIIs, the KH trilogy and whatever the hell else theyre working on-oh yeah Dissidia, but that could be easily 6,7,8, maybe 10 yrs from now. But wouldnt it be cool? Am I wrong for dreaming?

[kazukifafner]

Originally Posted by KairiStar1

Uh, I think Vincent is way cool. Ever since I found him in the game Ive tried to keep him in the party (stupid aeris) and hes pretty powerful. Ive got him equipped with deathblow, long range, counter and double cut, which means hes shooting like, twice every turn LOL. and can we say Galian Beast?! Hes my new favorite (sorry Cloud!!)

uh but, hey guys? Wouldnt it be ABSOLUTELY EPIC if they remade FFVII? I mean, think of the graphics, and all the new little things they could add!! What if it was again, three discs? Would you play it?

I could see a remake coming out after all three FFXIIIs, the KH trilogy and whatever the hell else theyre working on-oh yeah Dissidia, but that could be easily 6,7,8, maybe 10 yrs from now. But wouldnt it be cool? Am I wrong for dreaming?

Well, it is possible (Square-Enix never denied the possibility), but since Nomura would probably be the head of that project, it would be a while before he gets everything else done.

[InfiniteTwilight]

Pretty awesome game even though I haven't beat it yet *darns Safer Sephiroth* Probably my first Final Fantasy and I enjoy it a lot. If I hadn't gotten into it, I probably never get AC or look into other FFs. Though the Compilation about it...s'okay.