Final Fantasy VII

[Infinate Mystery]

if they do, i have no new-age system(besides the PSP), so ill be forced to sit there and do nothing while all the peoples with 360's and PS3's are having the time of their lives.

[squiglybob13]

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

The Remake is unavoidable though. They at least re released FF1 to 6, FF7 won't be an exception, and hopefully FF8 and 9 won't be an exception too.

I personally hope they'd remake it on PSP with CC's graphic, it'd be nice and allow them to work on completing the Compilation without wasting 7 years on a remake. Still, PS3 is the most likely... 360 too hopefully.

*sigh*.....it's NOT going to happen. Wishful thinking.

[Infinate Mystery]

if they did, itd be awesome.

[squiglybob13]

lol agreed

[Byronic Hero]

I liked the game. It wasn't as epic as some described it, but it was good. Nice Story, Suprisingly nice graphics, Great Gameplay. I give it a 8/10

[ZackCrisisFFVII]

Originally Posted by guyfromcrowd

grrrrr.....anyway, if ffVII gets remade on ps3 ill be pissed.

Squar Enix confirmed a year ago that they will be no FFVII remake Crisis Core and Before Crisis is the closes were gonna get to a FFVII remake sorry to be the barreir of bad news.

[squiglybob13]

The closest we will EVER get to a remake was the rumor the microsoft was working on it but that was NEVER confirmed by anybody and they probably just dropped the project anyways, IF they were even working on it lol

[Shadow Soulja]

Why are people still talking about a remake?

[Rufus Shinra]

^ Because it is unavoidable.

Originally Posted by ZackCrisisFFVII

Squar Enix confirmed a year ago that they will be no FFVII remake Crisis Core and Before Crisis is the closes were gonna get to a FFVII remake sorry to be the barreir of bad news.

SE has never said there would not be a FF7 remake. They said that if they do one, the whole original team must come back to work on it. It's the only announcement they did about the possibility of remake.

Honestly, there's far more hinting to a Remake being done than to it non being done. If we like if, after, it's each one taste.

[Sacred X]

Warning, there will be spoilers.

This might be a long post, so just skip to my bolded parts if you want to help me answer the questions I have.

First off, I have just replayed the entire game of Final Fantasy 7, closely analyzing the story. Afterwards, I ended up looking online to clarify if I read things right. It shouldn't be too rare to know that Final Fantasy VII is more complex than people think, since many people who played Final Fantasy VII did not even know what the game was about. (Yet it's still very popular which baffles me.) This can be proven by those who claim Sephiroth himself killed Aeris, among other points.

My question is: Is the most popular villian in Playstation history, Sephiroth, even in the game his legacy was born in?

From what is known, Sephiroth was dead before the game even began. This can be supported by three main points:
1. Throughout the game, before his appearence in the Cargo ship, there were questions questioning if Sephiroth was still alive, as apparrently there were rumors of his death and rumors of him being alive. What's more is no one has heard anything from him in 5 or so years, at least until the Shinra Building massacre.

2. Hojo flatout says he died five years ago when they're in the Northern Crator and Sephiroth is incased in Mako.

3. In the flashback on Disc 2, Hojo's statement is proven when we see Cloud is the one who killed Sephiroth. It can be seen for reference here: YouTube - Final Fantasy VII - Walkthrough Part 39 - Approx 11:00.

With this known, the Sephiroth that is encountered throughout all of Final Fantasy VII, excluding flashbacks, is a clone created by Hojo. When explaining who Cloud was to Rufus, Hojo replies "...He's a Sephiroth-clone I created after the real Sephiroth died five years ago."

It's also known that each Sephiroth Cloud meets ends up in a Jenova battle. Because the real Sephiroth was in Mako all of this time, all of Sephiroth's appearences were really Jenova. Apparrently, all of them. This means Sephiroth didn't kill Aeris, Jenova did imitating Sephiroths form. All of those encounters, all Jenova. With this logic, does Sephiroth even know who Cloud is? How would he know? Is Sephiroth himself even in the game? Is the main antagonist of this ridiculously popular game a mere clone of himself? He only met him at the end of the game before the final battle.

Also, after the battle with Safer Sephiroth, Cloud has a battle with Sephiroth inside his mind. But how can this be? Despite being a Sephiroth clone, I heard of nothing more than Cloud being injected with Jenova cells, meaning he was someone that was supposed to be able to imitate the power of Sephiroth, or something closely related. Meaning, he has no link with Sephiroth. With that said, how does he have this inner battle with Sephiroth? Sephiroth should have no connections to Cloud, so how would he have this inner battle? This battle can't just be another Jenova battle, else that'd make Jenova the true antagonist of the game AND the true final battle.

Lastly, if that was Sephiroth, is this popular villian, Sephiroth, really just a clone of the lesser popular real Sephiroth?

The answer to these questions may be obvious, or they may not. Either way, it's clear that I'm still uncertain who or what Sephiroth is. I know in an interview, Nomura stated something along the lines of him enjoying making games that allow people to think and speculate. If Nomura had a bigger part than just character design, this would make a lot more sense.

Either way, help is appriciated.

[JH]

I think you're going a little too deep.

Regardless, the real Sephiroth existed in Crisis Core, and he was a villain then. For half the game, anyways.

[Rufus Shinra]

The creators of FFVII have already clarified Sephiroth's case in various interview and books, though I admit this isn't an easy one. But I can assure that he is FFVII's main antagonist, well, Hojo could under some aspect fill the spot, I guess.

After the incident at Nibelheim, Sephiroth lost his body when he was in the lifestream, but his soul survived, gained the knowledge of the Ancient, how to summon the Meteor, what Jenova really is, etc. His soul came to the Northern Crater, then there he began to reconstruct his body, through The Reunion (The Reunion is the act to call to him every existing Jenova's Cell he can call. Using a single one of them, they reproduce and recreate his body, it's what he did in AC, except that at this moment through the Geostigma he gained so much godly power that the speed was exponential)
Due to the knowledge he now has (from the Lifestream, it's to say near infinite), his strength of mind (a soul who can survive without even the body), Sephiroth has come to surpass Jenova in every domain, and from there he controls, manipulate her.
By the time of FFVII, he calls her for completing the Reunion, she awakes in the Shinra Building and does what we know.

Indeed, the Sephiroth we see until the Northern Crater is Jenova from the Shinra Building having taken the form of Sephiroth, but, it is Jenova controlled, used as a tool, by Sephiroth, the true one existing at the Northern Crater. When Jenova/Sephiroth kills Aerith, it is Sephiroth's Will, not Jenova's will. Imagine it as Sephiroth possessing Jenova and making her act as he wishes.
She became his tool, it's again more obvious in AC, where she merely is a way for Sephiroth to come back. This is shown by how Sephiroth/Jenova speak during the first disc, he always speak of mother, etc. Jenova wouldn't refer to herself this way, as a mother he wants to follow the path, no, it's Sephiroth speaking through her.
She is his tool, a tool he obviously loves, but still a tool.


Also, to put some light on others point, five year before the game, at Nibelheim, Cloud did defeat Sephiroth, the real one, in attacking him from the back, at the moment Sephiroth learnt the truth on his birth and went mad. Cloud was an infantry man working under Sephiroth's order. This is how Sephiroth knows, and hates, Cloud.
It's after this that Sephiroth disappeared during five years, his body died, a physical dead, this is what Hojo meant by Sephiroth being dead, because it is revealed in Crisis Core that Hojo always knew that Sephiroth wasn't truly dead and that he'd come back.
Sephiroth's soul being near immortal, with The Reunion his body can be recreated, nearly eternally.

Cloud being the person Sephiroth hates the most, his main purpose when fighting Cloud is not to kill him, but to make suffer him. Thus why the mental battle at the end of the game.

[Sacred X]

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

The creators of FFVII have already clarified Sephiroth's case in various interview and books, though I admit this isn't an easy one. But I can assure that he is FFVII's main antagonist, well, Hojo could under some aspect fill the spot, I guess.

After the incident at Nibelheim, Sephiroth lost his body when he was in the lifestream, but his soul survived, gained the knowledge of the Ancient, how to summon the Meteor, what Jenova really is, etc. His soul came to the Northern Crater, then there he began to reconstruct his body, through The Reunion (The Reunion is the act to call to him every existing Jenova's Cell he can call. Using a single one of them, they reproduce and recreate his body, it's what he did in AC, except that at this moment through the Geostigma he gained so much godly power that the speed was exponential)
Due to the knowledge he now has (from the Lifestream, it's to say near infinite), his strength of mind (a soul who can survive without even the body), Sephiroth has come to surpass Jenova in every domain, and from there he controls, manipulate her.
By the time of FFVII, he calls her for completing the Reunion, she awakes in the Shinra Building and does what we know.

Indeed, the Sephiroth we see until the Northern Crater is Jenova from the Shinra Building having taken the form of Sephiroth, but, it is Jenova controlled, used as a tool, by Sephiroth, the true one existing at the Northern Crater. When Jenova/Sephiroth kills Aerith, it is Sephiroth's Will, not Jenova's will. Imagine it as Sephiroth possessing Jenova and making her act as he wishes.
She became his tool, it's again more obvious in AC, where she merely is a way for Sephiroth to come back. This is shown by how Sephiroth/Jenova speak during the first disc, he always speak of mother, etc. Jenova wouldn't refer to herself this way, as a mother he wants to follow the path, no, it's Sephiroth speaking through her.
She is his tool, a tool he obviously loves, but still a tool.


Also, to put some light on others point, five year before the game, at Nibelheim, Cloud did defeat Sephiroth, the real one, in attacking him from the back, at the moment Sephiroth learnt the truth on his birth and went mad. Cloud was an infantry man working under Sephiroth's order. This is how Sephiroth knows, and hates, Cloud.
It's after this that Sephiroth disappeared during five years, his body died, a physical dead, this is what Hojo meant by Sephiroth being dead, because it is revealed in Crisis Core that Hojo always knew that Sephiroth wasn't truly dead and that he'd come back.
Sephiroth's soul being near immortal, with The Reunion his body can be recreated, nearly eternally.

Cloud being the person Sephiroth hates the most, his main purpose when fighting Cloud is not to kill him, but to make suffer him. Thus why the mental battle at the end of the game.

Wow, thank you! These questions have been killing me for quite some time. I guess it was impossible to figure this all out from Final Fantasy 7 alone. That is certainly rep-worthy.

[Infinate Mystery]

Originally Posted by Shadow Soulja

Why are people still talking about a remake?

because we love to wish our fav games were remade.

[Twilight~Soul]

Originally Posted by guyfromcrowd

because we love to wish our fav games were remade.

high five