"Saddest Final Fantasy death?" *Spoilers.*

[fadin sun]

Most Square Enix deaths (including Zack) are carbon copies of each other.

[Ikkin]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Most Square Enix deaths (including Zack) are carbon copies of each other.

This statement doesn't make any sense at all. o_o; Even just comparing Aerith and Zack, Aerith died so quickly she probably didn't even see it coming, while Zack took dozens of bullets and still lingered on long enough to pass the Buster Sword on to Cloud. Aerith's death was impossibly clean, while Zack's was quite possibly the bloodiest thing ever shown in a Final Fantasy game. Even the tone is entirely different; seeing Zack happy and Cloud moving on provides a much more hopeful tone than Aerith's funeral did.

Sure, they both died trying to do something to save the world/their friend and succeeded in spite of dying, but "carbon copies" they're not.

[fadin sun]

I don't mean the ways that they died, just the context in which they died in.

Tidus falls in love with Yuna. They go on an epic adventure. Tidus dies.

Cloud falls in love with Aeris (I know this is disputed but anyways) Aeris dies.

Zack falls in love with Aeris. Zack dies.

Most, if not all, Square deaths involve the main characters loving each other and then one of them dies.

[Kawaiikousuke]

Well many other forms of entertainment do that too but that doesn't really make their deaths any less significant. Yeah so the heroes love and die, it's what they do.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Tidus falls in love with Yuna. They go on an epic adventure. Tidus dies.

What version of X were you playing? D:

Vossler! ;_ ; His death wasn't really sad it just made me sadder than I thought it would.

[fadin sun]

I was saying it in a kind of sarcastic tone. But I guess you can't register sarcasm on the interwebs.

I think Reddas was quite a bit more dramatic than Vossler, just cause, you know Vossler was a traitor and such, but at least Vossler wasn't one of those stereotypical square-enix deaths that they manage to always pull out of their asses.

[Kawaiikousuke]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

I think Reddas was quite a bit more dramatic than Vossler, just cause, you know Vossler was a traitor and such, but at least Vossler wasn't one of those stereotypical square-enix deaths that they manage to always pull out of their asses.

Vossler wasn't really a traitor he felt that the only way to help Dalmasca was by siding with the Archadian Empire, he was a proud son of Dalmasca and when given the chance to live he refused because he felt he had shamed his country. He was more like a lost broken soldier than a real traitor...yeah.

I saw Reddas's death coming, something about being in that hell hole all that time just screamed death is imminent. I always killed him myself anyways though.

I was saying it in a kind of sarcastic tone. But I guess you can't register sarcasm on the interwebs.

Nor can you take a joke..

[fadin sun]

I can take jokes when they're funny.

I thought Reddas was a pretty cool character. Vossler was awesome too, but I didn't like how he sided against Ashe and such. It did make the storyline interesting though.

[Neo Ragnarok]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

I don't mean the ways that they died, just the context in which they died in.

Tidus falls in love with Yuna. They go on an epic adventure. Tidus dies.

Cloud falls in love with Aeris (I know this is disputed but anyways) Aeris dies.

Zack falls in love with Aeris. Zack dies.

Most, if not all, Square deaths involve the main characters loving each other and then one of them dies.

I think you need to play a few more games other than the Playstation on versions. Then maybe you'll lernz a tingz or two about how Squeenix operates. Otherwise, you just sound rather unintelligent >_>

[fadin sun]

Not like I haven't played VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, XII or anything.

I have seen enough that I get a general picture of how Square Enix operates. In VII, VIII, and X the main character dies in the same fashion each time.

They both fall in love and then one dies. So please tell me how I'm unintelligent kind sir.

[Kawaiikousuke]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Not like I haven't played VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, XII or anything.

I have seen enough that I get a general picture of how Square Enix operates. In VII, VIII, and X the main character dies in the same fashion each time.

They both fall in love and then one dies. So please tell me how I'm unintelligent kind sir.

So are you just saying that since VII,VIII* and X have the fall in love/death aspect that you know how S-E works when it comes to the other games ?

*Squall doesn't die, nor does Rinoa.

I can take jokes when they're funny.

Obviously not.

I thought Reddas was a pretty cool character. Vossler was awesome too, but I didn't like how he sided against Ashe and such. It did make the storyline interesting though.

I think that was the whole point behind the "shocking betrayal" thing.

[fadin sun]

I was saying how the love story was pretty much the same. And Squall gets stabbed or something. I forget now.

The jokes you tell are not funny, therefore I am not laughing.

Reddas was an overall better character than Vossler. Vossler's betrayal made the storyline intresting, it didn't really make me cry manly tears like when Reddas died.

[Neo Ragnarok]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Not like I haven't played VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, XII or anything.

I have seen enough that I get a general picture of how Square Enix operates. In VII, VIII, and X the main character dies in the same fashion each time.

They both fall in love and then one dies. So please tell me how I'm unintelligent kind sir.

Well now I think you're unintelligent because you don't read, you just take bits and pieces that you want to see and reply to them. Never said you were unintelligent, I said you sound unintelligent because you're basing all of Squeenix's deaths around a few of the newer games and assuming that's the only way they operate.

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

I think you need to play a few more games other than the Playstation on versions. Then maybe you'll lernz a tingz or two about how Squeenix operates. Otherwise, you just sound rather unintelligent >_>

Note teh Bold. It's obvious you've played 7 onwards, I was saying you need to play moar from 1-6, then we'll see if all deaths relate the same way.
7 and 10 were similar if you put them in generic terms in terms of death.
Self sacrifice is a pretty common theme in General.

Like Kawaii~ said, Squall nor Rinoa die at all... in fact I don't recall a single death scene in Final Fantasy VIII. Also, even the deaths from VII and X are different in terms of when/why/effects of it happening. It is inferred that Cloud and Aerith were close, but it was never set in stone, like Raticus loved arguing with me last week or so. Therefore you can only assume they had feelings for each other. Likewise, what happened to Tidus wasn't JUST for Yuna, it was for Spira, his friends, everyone he had come in contact with. That's similar to what Aerith did, since she was trying to save the planet in general, not just Cloud and friends. However to take two deaths out of 10+ games and say that "I know how Square operates" is laughable at best.

[fadin sun]

Well from what I remember Squall gets stabbed epically and then falls off a huge building. Forgive me for thinking that he died.

As for the love stories, they are all taken out of animes/mangas and are unoriginal. Like I said, they are very similar.

All of the FF games I have played seem to be just using the same things over and over. I don't have a clue about FF1-6, but the main "tragic" deaths are in 7-10.

Also let's just compare the FF7-FFX

FF7: Cloud is emo, Cloud is saved by Tifa/Aeris from his emoness. Aeris dies.
FF8: Squall is emo, Squall is saved by Rinoa. Squall gets *injured*
FF10: Tidus is emo, Tidus is saved by Yuna. Tidus*dies*.

So in three of the biggest selling FFs there is a love story and one of the main characters *dies* or a tragic event happens.

Even though the stories are different (well some may dispute this, considering the main plotline of them is "save the world") the general way in which the characters act and the way the story line goes is pretty much the same.

[Koji]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

I don't mean the ways that they died, just the context in which they died in.

Tidus falls in love with Yuna. They go on an epic adventure. Tidus dies.

Cloud falls in love with Aeris (I know this is disputed but anyways) Aeris dies.

Zack falls in love with Aeris. Zack dies.

Most, if not all, Square deaths involve the main characters loving each other and then one of them dies.

So basically, people that die shouldnt have been in love? Thats a 0 for story then. From all that you mentioned, the deaths were all different. Tidus "dies" knowing it the whole time, after a goodbye from his friends, he just jumps off the airship and disappears. Nobody truely killed him. Aerith dies the most shocking death. While leaving her friends and started praying for holy, Sephiroth, the main villain kills her quickly. Cloud was not in love with Aerith, Aerith loved Cloud only because he reminded her of Zack. Zack's death was not public as only Cloud saw it. He was killed by the company he worked for, and fought slowly to his death. They're all very different. The only common thing is that all who have died have also loved.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Well from what I remember Squall gets stabbed epically and then falls off a huge building. Forgive me for thinking that he died.

That was the end of disc one. You said you've played FF8, right? Who were you using from disc the begining of 2 to end of disc 4?

Originally Posted by fadin sun

As for the love stories, they are all taken out of animes/mangas and are unoriginal. Like I said, they are very similar.

If I asked for a name that FF took the story out of?

Originally Posted by fadin sun

All of the FF games I have played seem to be just using the same things over and over. I don't have a clue about FF1-6, but the main "tragic" deaths are in 7-10.

Also let's just compare the FF7-FFX

FF7: Cloud is emo, Cloud is saved by Tifa/Aeris from his emoness. Aeris dies.
FF8: Squall is emo, Squall is saved by Rinoa. Squall gets *injured*
FF10: Tidus is emo, Tidus is saved by Yuna. Tidus*dies*.

Cloud was saved by Aeris? When? Cloud's memories have only been saved by Sephiroth, himself, Tifa, and the lifestream. After that, he began to act like his normal self. Rinoa helped Squall to open up, but Squall was only talking to her when she was in a coma, and they were walking along the train tracks. Yuna did not save Tidus, Sin did.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

So in three of the biggest selling FFs there is a love story and one of the main characters *dies* or a tragic event happens.

Even though the stories are different (well some may dispute this, considering the main plotline of them is "save the world") the general way in which the characters act and the way the story line goes is pretty much the same.

In which case every story that ever existed is taken from another story. The characters were totally different in every FF, which is why people have a favorite.

[fadin sun]

I forgot I was in a square enix forum :V

I'll say this again, once and finally. The storylines of all the FF's are all pretty much the same.

Aeris did save Cloud from Sephiroth, but Tifa did it more so. As for Aeris' death being "unpredictable," there's a cutscene where Sephiroth says to Jenova "I'll deal with her."

If you call predictable plotlines surprising it's no wonder why you would like these storylines that could have honestly been written by people of my age.

Reddas was by far the most tragic death of the series. He was the only final fantasy character (besides Auron) who I actually liked. He was original and he died in a manly fashion. Although he was not one of the main characters he played a very significant role in FF12.

So basically, people that die shouldnt have been in love

No it just because Square Enix turned me off of all love/depressing animus for like a month. They take a normally good story, rip it apart, and turn it into the "dramatic" shit that all of you otakus like so much.

I love dramatic animus/video games, only if they're actually dramatic. Albeit Gurren Lagann, Cowboy Bebop, hell, even Hellsing has a better storyline than the shit that comes out of Square's never ending anius.