"Saddest Final Fantasy death?" *Spoilers.*

[Max/souleater]

You know, Aerith's is sadder, cause Tidus comes back in secret X-2 ending, but Zack's was sadder than both

[fadin sun]

Honestly I don't understand why people got any emotion from watching Aeris' death.

She was practically insignificant to the storyline. At least in FFX there was a build up to when Tidus dies.

Anyways I'm done killing Square. You guys can keep BAWWWWWWING

[Raeneth]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Well from what I remember Squall gets stabbed epically and then falls off a huge building. Forgive me for thinking that he died.

As for the love stories, they are all taken out of animes/mangas and are unoriginal. Like I said, they are very similar.

All of the FF games I have played seem to be just using the same things over and over. I don't have a clue about FF1-6, but the main "tragic" deaths are in 7-10.

Solution: Don't play Final Fantasy games. You'll be a happier person and we won't have to deal with your ignorance.

Also let's just compare the FF7-FFX

FF7: Cloud is emo, Cloud is saved by Tifa/Aeris from his emoness. Aeris dies.
FF8: Squall is emo, Squall is saved by Rinoa. Squall gets *injured*
FF10: Tidus is emo, Tidus is saved by Yuna. Tidus*dies*.

You're a blatant idiot and clearly can't wrap your feeble mind around games that have layers to them. Cloud isn't emo, Squall's story is about growth as a person, and Tidus is anything but emo. Stop being a moron and arguing the converse side just for shits and giggles. If you're still going to, at least give good claims.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

I forgot I was in a square enix forum :V

I'll say this again, once and finally. The storylines of all the FF's are all pretty much the same.

Aeris did save Cloud from Sephiroth, but Tifa did it more so. As for Aeris' death being "unpredictable," there's a cutscene where Sephiroth says to Jenova "I'll deal with her."

If you call predictable plotlines surprising it's no wonder why you would like these storylines that could have honestly been written by people of my age.

Reddas was by far the most tragic death of the series. He was the only final fantasy character (besides Auron) who I actually liked. He was original and he died in a manly fashion. Although he was not one of the main characters he played a very significant role in FF12.

LOL that's right, we're all squeenix fanboys/girls here who don't play any other games besides those that Square produces. You should know better.

I'll say this again, once and finally. You're making blanket statements about a series of games that isn't true. Pull your head from your ass and maybe you'll understand this.
I'm pretty sure that if you played 7 for the first time without knowing about Aerith's death, you'd be pretty damned shocked when it happens, with or without Sephiroth saying he'll deal with her.
If you had a hunch it was coming, that's all well and good, but to say you knew it would be coming 100% before it happened, well you'd just be lying or trying to look like one of those cool guys I've heard so much about.

You don't understand the storylines, so clearly you can't appreciate them. There's more to FF than "LOL LOVE STORY AND MAGIC!!!"

"I like Reddas, he r manly man. Not like those girly guys who have feelings and emotions and thusly are always emo."

No it just because Square Enix turned me off of all love/depressing animus for like a month. They take a normally good story, rip it apart, and turn it into the "dramatic" shit that all of you otakus like so much.

I love dramatic animus/video games, only if they're actually dramatic. Albeit Gurren Lagann, Cowboy Bebop, hell, even Hellsing has a better storyline than the shit that comes out of Square's never ending anius.

You don't even know what an otaku is, judging from the context of your statement, so please gee tee eff oh. Sorry that some of us enjoy having a nice story behind our games. You're not impressing anyone by saying that you don't like Square games. Gurren Lagann's storyline isn't really that great in my honest opinion, though it's fun to watch. Square games are dramatic, maybe you're a little too young to fully comprehend them. I know it's taken me a few playthroughs of the games to fully understand the games as well. If they were so damned shitty, why are they one of the highest selling game franchises and one of the most anticipated?

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Honestly I don't understand why people got any emotion from watching Aeris' death.

She was practically insignificant to the storyline. At least in FFX there was a build up to when Tidus dies.

Aerith was essential to the overlying storyline of Final Fantasy VII. She was the last surviving Cetra, and the only person who could theoretically stop Sephiroth. If she wasnt important, why would he kill her?

Anyways I'm done killing Square. You guys can keep BAWWWWWWING

First off, I'm glad to see you're taking your faggotry elsewhere.
Secondly, I also like to stop arguments that I lose as well <3

[Raeneth]

Huzzah for a laggy double post -.-

[Sophia Esteed]

Another possible reason behind teh "Truth" of Aerith's death:

So you wouldn't be able to use Great Gospel or any otherwise god-modding (but still awesome) limit breaks of Aerith's against Safer Sephiroth -- would be unfair if you could, no? XD

I'd also mention Mydia (Feol Viera who became the Judge of Wings to avenge her fallen lover Velis) in FFXII: Revenant Wings. You have ot admit, it's very much a Romeo-Juliet type of love story between them -- a SAD ending

[Angel Jenna]

I agree that Zacks death was the real sadest, Cloud was so emotional about it, which is unusual for him. But between the two, I'd have to go with Tidus'. I almost cried myself

[fadin sun]

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

Solution: Don't play Final Fantasy games. You'll be a happier person and we won't have to deal with your ignorance.

Also let's just compare the FF7-FFX


You're a blatant idiot and clearly can't wrap your feeble mind around games that have layers to them. Cloud isn't emo, Squall's story is about growth as a person, and Tidus is anything but emo. Stop being a moron and arguing the converse side just for shits and giggles. If you're still going to, at least give good claims.


LOL that's right, we're all squeenix fanboys/girls here who don't play any other games besides those that Square produces. You should know better.

I'll say this again, once and finally. You're making blanket statements about a series of games that isn't true. Pull your head from your ass and maybe you'll understand this.
I'm pretty sure that if you played 7 for the first time without knowing about Aerith's death, you'd be pretty damned shocked when it happens, with or without Sephiroth saying he'll deal with her.
If you had a hunch it was coming, that's all well and good, but to say you knew it would be coming 100% before it happened, well you'd just be lying or trying to look like one of those cool guys I've heard so much about.

You don't understand the storylines, so clearly you can't appreciate them. There's more to FF than "LOL LOVE STORY AND MAGIC!!!"

"I like Reddas, he r manly man. Not like those girly guys who have feelings and emotions and thusly are always emo."


You don't even know what an otaku is, judging from the context of your statement, so please gee tee eff oh. Sorry that some of us enjoy having a nice story behind our games. You're not impressing anyone by saying that you don't like Square games. Gurren Lagann's storyline isn't really that great in my honest opinion, though it's fun to watch. Square games are dramatic, maybe you're a little too young to fully comprehend them. I know it's taken me a few playthroughs of the games to fully understand the games as well. If they were so damned shitty, why are they one of the highest selling game franchises and one of the most anticipated?


Aerith was essential to the overlying storyline of Final Fantasy VII. She was the last surviving Cetra, and the only person who could theoretically stop Sephiroth. If she wasnt important, why would he kill her?


First off, I'm glad to see you're taking your faggotry elsewhere.
Secondly, I also like to stop arguments that I lose as well <3

Tidus, Cloud, Squall were all emo. They always complained about how they felt and all bawwed like crazy. They were all whiny bishes from beginning to the end.

Obviously you people don't realize what otakus are. Otaku can mean obsession with anything.

As for the square enix games having layers, that seriously made me laugh. Square Enix pulls something out of their ass and you call it layered? I thought you people were stupid, but this is just plain ignorance.

Let's take FFX for example, since that's one of the games that I have recently played.

There's absolutely no character development, no subtext, no theme, no underlying message, predictable plot twists, terrible characters, and a storyline that I could write.

Let's start with character development, considering that you'll probably think that this statement is complete idiocy. From start to finish Tidus is a whiny, self-centered prick who doesn't change a bit the entire story. Even at the end he says "this is MY story," obviously proving that he's all of these things.

Subtext is pretty easy. All of the characters say what they mean.

All good stories have a theme, so right away FFX is knocked off the list. Unless you count saving the world to be a theme.

I think my favorite books are ones that have underlying messages. There are absolutely none of these in FFX.

As for terrible characters, the only semi-decent one was Auron and even he wasn't that good. Lulu was an emo bish, Wakka was a retard, Tidus a whiny prick, Yuna a silent girl, Kimari. Well Kimari I can't even begin to understand why they included him.

Storyline is as follows: Tidus gets lost in an unknown world ---> Tidus meets Yuna and he instantaneously falls in love with her ---> OMG JECHT = SIN ---> Seymour iz evil lulz ---> YUNAZ GONNA DIE T.T ----> OMG KISS ---> Seymoar ---> FINAL AEON OMG FIGHT YUNALESCA---> destroy sin ----> Seymoar ---> OMG TIDUS T.T

That's actually what the storyline was like to me. A bunch of predictable plot twists (I knew Yuna wasn't going to die the minute I heard she was going to die). Also I knew Yuna was going to die, because there are a bunch things that totally give it away. The only semi-shocking thing was when they fought Yunalesca.

You don't understand the storylines, so clearly you can't appreciate them. There's more to FF than "LOL LOVE STORY AND MAGIC!!!"

No there really isn't.

First of all I didn't know that Aeris was going to die until Sephiroth said " I'll deal with her." I don't see how this could have possibly been a shock to you after hearing this. Another predictable plot twist.

If they were so damned shitty, why are they one of the highest selling game franchises and one of the most anticipated?

Because of idiots like you.

Square games are dramatic, maybe you're a little too young to fully comprehend them

Quite the opposite in fact. I'm too intelligent for my own good.

I'll finish off by saying that flamming me won't get anywhere. Maybe I'm just way too critical and analytical of things, but I think that's a good trait. Like I said I do like dramatic things, but I can't stand square enix crap. Just because I am right about your favorite games doesn't mean you have to BAWWWWWW

[Koji]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

I'll say this again, once and finally. The storylines of all the FF's are all pretty much the same.

If you think that then you just dont understand the story. You're seeing a basic overall but you're not understanding the amazing story behind each game. I even showed you the differences but you still didnt get it.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Aeris did save Cloud from Sephiroth, but Tifa did it more so. As for Aeris' death being "unpredictable," there's a cutscene where Sephiroth says to Jenova "I'll deal with her."

Aerith did not save Cloud from Sephiroth. When do you remember that happen?

Originally Posted by fadin sun

No it just because Square Enix turned me off of all love/depressing animus for like a month. They take a normally good story, rip it apart, and turn it into the "dramatic" shit that all of you otakus like so much.

Dramatic stories are much better than mindless "kill me and I'll kill you" that people, who cant focus on deep stories, follow.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Honestly I don't understand why people got any emotion from watching Aeris' death.

She was practically insignificant to the storyline. At least in FFX there was a build up to when Tidus dies.

I dont understand what you see in Auron's death. It was far from sad or shocking. We never got to see it. You should play FF7. Aerith was very significant to the FF7 storyline which you dont understand.

And I'm stilll wondering, who were you using from disc 2 onwards in FF8? I'm begining to doubt you've played any FF games, well besides X and XII. You also said that FF takes the story out of animes/mangas. So you just dont know which ones they are?

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

well you'd just be lying or trying to look like one of those cool guys I've heard so much about.

Originally Posted by Neo Ragnarok

Secondly, I also like to stop arguments that I lose as well <3

ROFL at these quotes.

EDIT: Fading sun, I didnt notice your age until now. At the release of FF7 you must have been like 4 so its no wonder you didnt understand it. Sorry.

[Koji]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Tidus, Cloud, Squall were all emo. They always complained about how they felt and all bawwed like crazy. They were all whiny bishes from beginning to the end.

And now we know why these games are rated Teen, because you just wouldnt understand it.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

As for the square enix games having layers, that seriously made me laugh. Square Enix pulls something out of their ass and you call it layered? I thought you people were stupid, but this is just plain ignorance.

The only person who looks stupid here is you (and maybe me for double posting). Considering that this franchise has a mega fanbase, and is loved throughout the world is enough to prove that what you think is obviously wrong.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Let's take FFX for example, since that's one of the games that I have recently played.

There's absolutely no character development, no subtext, no theme, no underlying message, predictable plot twists, terrible characters, and a storyline that I could write.

Thats funny because Tidus seems like a totally different person in the end. Jecht's character goes from an untrusted bastard to a real dad. The player hates Jecht in the begining, but is sad that he dies in the end. Auron reveals alot about his younger self which seems totally different because his character is so built up. Anyone who trusted Kimahri in the begining? What about Seymour's character, he saved Luca but turned out to be a villain. Even Mika seemed trustworthy but look how messed up things got. See these are the finer details that you would miss. BTW, the theme was religion. I would have thought that was obvious. You could never write a story line that complicated since you're still having difficulty understanding it.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

That's actually what the storyline was like to me. A bunch of predictable plot twists (I knew Yuna wasn't going to die the minute I heard she was going to die). Also I knew Yuna was going to die, because there are a bunch things that totally give it away. The only semi-shocking thing was when they fought Yunalesca.

Yet Yuna didnt die.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Quite the opposite in fact. I'm too intelligent for my own good.

ROFL.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Just because I am right about your favorite games doesn't mean you have to BAWWWWWW

Funny, we proved everything you said wrong. And BTW I lol'd more than anything.

[Steve]

The only thing I dislike more than conformists and fanboys are people who intentionally go against the majority just for the sake of being different or pissing other people off. That's what you are, fadin sun, a fake non-conformist who just likes to piss people off.

Tidus, Cloud, Squall were all emo. They always complained about how they felt and all bawwed like crazy. They were all whiny bishes from beginning to the end.

Either you've only played maybe the first fourth of all of these games, or you just took it upon yourself to check out the plot on Wikipedia. Either way, your argument is entirely two-dimensional and you've no evidence to back up any of your claims. Each of these characters may start as stuck up characters who really only care about themselves, but as each game progresses, they slowly develop into different characters than they started out before. Toward the end of FFVII, I don't recall Cloud being a, as you put it, "whiny bish". Toward the end of FFVIII, I recall Squall developing into a completely different character than he started out as. And as for FFX, Tidus is anything but emo. I really don't know where you're going with this one.

As for the square enix games having layers, that seriously made me laugh. Square Enix pulls something out of their ass and you call it layered? I thought you people were stupid, but this is just plain ignorance.

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source.

There's absolutely no character development, no subtext, no theme, no underlying message, predictable plot twists, terrible characters, and a storyline that I could write.

Clearly you cannot, because you completely missed the theme of the story (which revolves around religion, if you didn't know) and character development.

Now, I'm not going to waste time refuting the rest of what you said, seeing as others have already taken care of that without much trouble.

Quite the opposite in fact. I'm too intelligent for my own good.

No you're not.

[Raeneth]

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Tidus, Cloud, Squall were all emo. They always complained about how they felt and all bawwed like crazy. They were all whiny bishes from beginning to the end.

Talking isn't complaining. There's a difference. A difference your feeble mind clearly can't comprehend.
Cloud was screwed up from the start of the game, and he was striving to find his own identity. That's not being emo.
Squall was a loner who always felt like he needed to get by on his own and didn't want to put faith and trust in people, thinking they'd leave him. He discovers it's okay to put your heart on the line, because that's what makes people feel alive. Also, not emo.
Tidus is a selfish brat who discovers there's more to the world than just himself and his own surroundings. That's not emo.

Just because characters or people have feelings doesn't make them emo.

Obviously you people don't realize what otakus are. Otaku can mean obsession with anything.

An Otaku is something with an extreme obsession. Real Otaku's are said not to do anything else besides obsess about whatever they're obsessed with. This includes bathing and what not. Now you know what it is <3

As for the square enix games having layers, that seriously made me laugh. Square Enix pulls something out of their ass and you call it layered? I thought you people were stupid, but this is just plain ignorance.

It is layered, even if you can't comprehend it or wish to accept it as truth.

Let's take FFX for example, since that's one of the games that I have recently played.

Let's. I'd be more than glad to explain to you every last detail about the game since you can't seem to be able to think outside of the box.

There's absolutely no character development, no subtext, no theme, no underlying message, predictable plot twists, terrible characters, and a storyline that I could write.

Please tell me you're joking. No plot twists? Yuna having to die to defeat Sin isn't a plot twist? Do you even know what a plot twist is? If you don't like the characters, that's fine. If you could write that storyline, then why don't you go get a job designing games and put your money where your mouth is. Then you can pull down big checks.

Let's start with character development, considering that you'll probably think that this statement is complete idiocy. From start to finish Tidus is a whiny, self-centered prick who doesn't change a bit the entire story. Even at the end he says "this is MY story," obviously proving that he's all of these things.

No, you clearly are too dense to understand subtext. Tidus is a whiner, he is a crybaby, he is selfish, he is irritating at the start. Through the journey he changes. He's still self confident, but he learns there are bigger things than himself in the world and he learns how to rely on other people and have them rely on him. In addition, him saying it was His Story at the end means that he knew what he had to do. He had to push forward and finish it, because he was the one chosen by the fayth to end their dreaming. Play the game.

Subtext is pretty easy. All of the characters say what they mean.

Yes, with no internal monologue there, it's hard to have characters express their thoughts and feelings without having to say what they mean.

All good stories have a theme, so right away FFX is knocked off the list. Unless you count saving the world to be a theme.

Good is subjective. What you find good is different from what I find good.

I think my favorite books are ones that have underlying messages. There are absolutely none of these in FFX.

Yes, Doctor Suess was very good with having underlying messages beneath his expertly crafted riddles and rhymes, but in the adult world we have underlying messages too. You just need to look a tad harder for them and try to understand things a tad. Using that lump between your ears helps too <3

As for terrible characters, the only semi-decent one was Auron and even he wasn't that good. Lulu was an emo bish, Wakka was a retard, Tidus a whiny prick, Yuna a silent girl, Kimari. Well Kimari I can't even begin to understand why they included him.

They all serve their own purpose in the storyline, and the game wouldn't be complete without them all being there.

Storyline is as follows: Tidus gets lost in an unknown world ---> Tidus meets Yuna and he instantaneously falls in love with her ---> OMG JECHT = SIN ---> Seymour iz evil lulz ---> YUNAZ GONNA DIE T.T ----> OMG KISS ---> Seymoar ---> FINAL AEON OMG FIGHT YUNALESCA---> destroy sin ----> Seymoar ---> OMG TIDUS T.T

He doesn't fall in love with her instantly. There are also reasons Seymour does what he does. You have to play the game to find this out. There is more to the game than you give it credit for, and that's fine. If you don't like the game, I don't really care, since I enjoy it and feel it's a good story.

That's actually what the storyline was like to me. A bunch of predictable plot twists (I knew Yuna wasn't going to die the minute I heard she was going to die). Also I knew Yuna was going to die, because there are a bunch things that totally give it away. The only semi-shocking thing was when they fought Yunalesca.

Of course we all know Yuna isn't going to die as soon as you hear she's going to, but finding out why and how is what keeps the story interesting.

No there really isn't.
First of all I didn't know that Aeris was going to die until Sephiroth said " I'll deal with her." I don't see how this could have possibly been a shock to you after hearing this. Another predictable plot twist.

After the fact, yeah, you could have seen it coming. However while playing through the game, you don't know exactly what he would mean by that. Killing her, yeah, that makes sense, but you wouldn't really think he'd be able to get away with it. Maybe he'd end up blocking Holy, taking the materia, infecting her with JENOVA as well, there are many possible outcomes that don't all go back to skewering her with a sword.

Because of idiots like you.

Think what you will <3

Quite the opposite in fact. I'm too intelligent for my own good.

Hopefully you can prove this claim eventually. I'll wait until you're older.

I'll finish off by saying that flamming me won't get anywhere. Maybe I'm just way too critical and analytical of things, but I think that's a good trait. Like I said I do like dramatic things, but I can't stand square enix crap. Just because I am right about your favorite games doesn't mean you have to BAWWWWWW

Being critical and analytical isn't what you're doing. You're simply saying that you didn't enjoy the game because you felt everything was shallow. I don't see how you could find the plot shallow or the characters too flat. If you don't like Square Enix games, don't play them. Don't post in a Square Enix forum. I thought you weren't going to post again about this? I thought you'd let us "baw" away.

You're not right, because being right implies that someone else is wrong. You didn't like it, I did. You give shitty reasons for not liking it, I assume you're an illiterate fool who's trying to show he's too cool to jump on a bandwagon with an actually good game. You're only depriving yourself of enjoyment, it doesn't matter one whit to me if you like a game or not. I have better things to BAWWWWWW over than a fifteen year old who wants to try and play with the big boys but can't seem to figure out how to.

Also, claiming that you're right is extremely pompous, and the only reason I reply to your claims is to deflate that giant ego you have.

[Sir Jecht]

Originally Posted by Cursed

The only thing I dislike more than conformists and fanboys are people who intentionally go against the majority just for the sake of being different or pissing other people off. That's what you are, fadin sun, a fake non-conformist who just likes to piss people off.

The thing is he's not even pissing anyone off he's just making himself look like an idiot. I know I make up bullshit reasons for disliking VII,VIII and X but at least I back them up with logical reasonings.

Originally Posted by fadin sun

Let's take FFX for example, since that's one of the games that I have recently played.

There's absolutely no character development, no subtext, no theme, no underlying message, predictable plot twists, terrible characters, and a storyline that I could write.

Let's start with character development, considering that you'll probably think that this statement is complete idiocy. From start to finish Tidus is a whiny, self-centered prick who doesn't change a bit the entire story. Even at the end he says "this is MY story," obviously proving that he's all of these things.

Subtext is pretty easy. All of the characters say what they mean.

All good stories have a theme, so right away FFX is knocked off the list. Unless you count saving the world to be a theme.

I think my favorite books are ones that have underlying messages. There are absolutely none of these in FFX.

As for terrible characters, the only semi-decent one was Auron and even he wasn't that good. Lulu was an emo bish, Wakka was a retard, Tidus a whiny prick, Yuna a silent girl, Kimari. Well Kimari I can't even begin to understand why they included him.

Storyline is as follows: Tidus gets lost in an unknown world ---> Tidus meets Yuna and he instantaneously falls in love with her ---> OMG JECHT = SIN ---> Seymour iz evil lulz ---> YUNAZ GONNA DIE T.T ----> OMG KISS ---> Seymoar ---> FINAL AEON OMG FIGHT YUNALESCA---> destroy sin ----> Seymoar ---> OMG TIDUS T.T

Just watching the FMV cut scenes on Youtube doesn't count the same as playing the game.

[fadin sun]

tl; dr version: you're right, I'm wrong. I'll continue my faggotry elsewhere.