how the replicas are created

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Smile

And yet the processes they both went through were different, it seems, in great part because of how they themselves responded to them.

I don't think so. In fact, I think it was a relatively similar process.

Both had a point in time where they were aware of the fact that they were replicas and were created to serve a purpose. Repliku and Xion were like that in the beginning. By adding in memories which didn't really belong to them, they began to develop their own personalities.

For Xion, those were Sora's memories. For Riku, we don't really know. Namine manipulated whatever memories he had within him- but where did these memories come from in the first place? She can only create memories from pre-existing ones.

Not sure where you got the idea that Repliku had Sora's memories of Riku, but I don't see how that makes much sense.

If Xion, as Sora's replica, gained his memories, would it not follow that Repliku's base memories came from Riku?
As I've pointed out in other topics, there are indeed hints in Reverse Rebirth that Riku may have lost some of his memories.

[Audo]

I don't think Repliku ever actually had any of Riku's genuine memories - as in, memories Riku lost that found their way into Repliku. He had data copied from Riku's memories. Which, as I said, occurred when Vexen battles Riku in RR.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Grace Assassin

Both had a point in time where they were aware of the fact that they were replicas and were created to serve a purpose. Repliku and Xion were like that in the beginning. By adding in memories which didn't really belong to them, they began to develop their own personalities.

Try shoving Memories up Repliku's rear end to make him forget he was a Replica. Xion was never truly aware of it as by the time she was capable of remembering anything, she was already 'her own person'.

For Xion, those were Sora's memories. For Riku, we don't really know. Namine manipulated whatever memories he had within him- but where did these memories come from in the first place? She can only create memories from pre-existing ones.

With how she should've altered Sora's Memories of Kairi for them to add up with the Memories of her we see Sora had, I doubt it. She can create new Memories. She admitted to as much herself. Not to mention creating the exact same Memories inside both Sora and Repliku about the Promise.

Not sure where you got the idea that Repliku had Sora's memories of Riku, but I don't see how that makes much sense.

He was never shown to remember anything that didn't relate to Sora. The one time in which it seemed the most he was throwing something he remembered at our faces was when he told Sora "You're the one who forgot, I told YOU to take care of her." Sora remembered it, Riku's own Memories wouldn't have needed to come into play here at all past the initial basis of Repliku's existence.

If Xion, as Sora's replica, gained his memories, would it not follow that Repliku's base memories came from Riku?

Nope. Because their progress was different in the long run, making one believe their basis wasn't original either. I mean, Xion lacked a face and had the Memories. Repliku had a face, but lacked the Memories to claim as his own.

As I've pointed out in other topics, there are indeed hints in Reverse Rebirth that Riku may have lost some of his memories.

Hm. Point me at them? o,o They might be used for my own vile, dark purposes.

Originally Posted by Audo

I don't think Repliku ever actually had any of Riku's genuine memories - as in, memories Riku lost that found their way into Repliku. He had data copied from Riku's memories. Which, as I said, occurred when Vexen battles Riku in RR.

I still wonder truly how much of Riku was used to base him x_x probably need to reread the secret reports, but I never got the impression he was that much alike to her.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Smile

Try shoving Memories up Repliku's rear end to make him forget he was a Replica. Xion was never truly aware of it as by the time she was capable of remembering anything, she was already 'her own person'.

Xion was aware of it. When she began to bond with Roxas and Axel, she began to forget her creation.

Originally Posted by Smile

With how she should've altered Sora's Memories of Kairi for them to add up with the Memories of her we see Sora had, I doubt it. She can create new Memories. She admitted to as much herself. Not to mention creating the exact same Memories inside both Sora and Repliku about the Promise.

She can "create" memories out of pre-existing ones. And as she said, she cannot destroy memories.
Think of it like the law of conservation of energy- she cannot explicitly create memories out of nothing, nor can she destroy memories. What Namine can do is alter memories that already exist into new ones, as we see when she takes the place of Kairi.

Originally Posted by Smile

He was never shown to remember anything that didn't relate to Sora. The one time in which it seemed the most he was throwing something he remembered at our faces was when he told Sora "You're the one who forgot, I told YOU to take care of her." Sora remembered it, Riku's own Memories wouldn't have needed to come into play here at all past the initial basis of Repliku's existence.

I still don't see how it would make any sense that he was based on Sora's memories of Riku.
His memories would be, in effect, from Sora's point of view.

And not all of them were necessarily about Sora. He talks about Tidus, Walka and Selphie being "losers," about his time with Namine and such. Even so, of course most of what he's talking about would involve Sora because he's talking to Sora.

Originally Posted by Smile

Nope. Because their progress was different in the long run, making one believe their basis wasn't original either. I mean, Xion lacked a face and had the Memories. Repliku had a face, but lacked the Memories to claim as his own.

Their progress being different doesn't equate to their basis being different.
The same experiment performed twice can yield different results. In this case, the variation can be due to any number of factors.

Originally Posted by Smile

Hm. Point me at them? o,o They might be used for my own vile, dark purposes.

Both Zexion and Ansem say on several occasions that Riku only has dark memories left.
Riku does not deny this. He may remember Sora, Kairi, and even Tidus, Walka, and Selphie, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has retained all of his memories of them. For all we know, it could be on a superficial and hollow name-basis (that is, he can only remember their names or certain things about them).

Originally Posted by Smile

I still wonder truly how much of Riku was used to base him x_x probably need to reread the secret reports, but I never got the impression he was that much alike to her.

If it's any hint, Repliku was considered a "replica" well before Vexen ever made contact with Riku- implying that the process may have begun well before then.

[KH!]

te whol point of the forums is to over analize.

I'm not stupid. i was just saying it's make believe not everything will be explained. like its not explained how like they never eat or use the bathroom stuff like that, you don't have to attack me...

[hiddenblade]

Thats what I said smile It might not have sounded like that though

[Ventus Air-Man]

Riku and Xion were created from half data and half memories. To collect Riku's data, Vexen went and battled him. To collect Sora's data to create Xion, Xemnas went and battled Sora, as we see in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Ventus Air-Man

Riku and Xion were created from half data and half memories. To collect Riku's data, Vexen went and battled him. To collect Sora's data to create Xion, Xemnas went and battled Sora, as we see in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix.

Actually, if any of them was made half and half, it was Repliku, but I'd sooner relate him to Data more than Memories, as the Memories he had weren't really of Riku's - they were Namine's doing, unlike with Xion who absorbed Sora's Memories through Roxas.