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Old November 4th, 2009, 02:24 AM   #16
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roxasisamazing;4579567]You see what he is like when you first see him in R/R and the final fight with him in R/R. He was fully aware that he was a replica

Keep in mind at first he was then he was messed with by namine after something or another I forget and then he remembered after namine was freed so he was not aware he was a replica the whole time
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Old November 4th, 2009, 06:12 AM   #18
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Keep in mind at first he was then he was messed with by namine after something or another I forget and then he remembered after namine was freed so he was not aware he was a replica the whole time
But at 'birth' - which is what we're debating over here - he knew fully well he was a Replica, that Riku was the "real deal", and had none of Riku's Memories to speak of.
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Not quite.
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Riku's Replica wasn't crafted from Memories. He was shaped after Riku, yes, but without the whole extraction of Memories if Memory serves me well enough. The cards were given to him by Diz after all. Riku's own Memories didn't come into play until later when Namine made duplicates inside Repliku - that arguably had nothing to do with Riku himself but more Sora's Memories of Riku.
Repliku was crafted from Riku's memories. When Vexen first battles Riku in RR, he collects data from his memories which he then uses to create Repliku.

They were dolls until the memories/data shaped them into something different.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 07:42 AM   #20
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You'll agree with me though that we're talking about two different 'craftings' here?
Yes, Repliku was based on Riku's data. However, it's not until Namine messed him up that he 'remembered' anything that happened to Riku himself. Also, the 'shaping' process was immediate as Vexen just shoved the data on Repliku. To top it all, we have the very likely situation in which it's not really Riku's own Memories that Namine put inside Repliku later, but Sora's Memories of Riku. Seemingly the same, yet a world of a difference, which would sooner tie Repliku to Sora than to Riku.
Opposed to that we have
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Xion, who had the Memories connect on their own in a sense she actually looked like someone other than the one the base Memories belonged to (looking like Riku because of Riku opposed to looking like Kairi because of Sora). Also, she looked like someone else depending on who looked at her, as opposed to Repliku, who looked like Riku regardless of who it was that looked at him.


They're different.
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You'll agree with me though that we're talking about two different 'craftings' here?
Yes, Repliku was based on Riku's data. However, it's not until Namine messed him up that he 'remembered' anything that happened to Riku himself. Also, the 'shaping' process was immediate as Vexen just shoved the data on Repliku.
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Xion, who had the Memories connect on their own in a sense she actually looked like someone other than the one the Memories belonged to. Also, she looked like someone else depending on who looked at her, as opposed to Repliku, who looked like Riku regardless of who it was that looked at him.


They're different.
I of course agree that they're different, but, seeing as how they were a part of the same plan and the same research, one must believe that they were created in a similar process. Repliku's creation seemed much more stable than the other (which leads me to question why they still referred to the first replica as the "superior replica" when its clear that Repliku was a far better replica as far as the point and definition of a replica.)
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Old November 4th, 2009, 07:53 AM   #22
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Well, to start off, he had having Riku inside Castle Oblivion at the same time he was. Depending on how Replicas are created, that might've helped him become more like the 'original' unlike the other one.
Also, the comment was written, I believe, due to their initial status, which made Vexen bring Repliku to CO to continue research at all so what happened during CoM might've changed that had they been able to give opinion about it again.
However, I agree with the definition.
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Repliku, for all of sounding and looking and walking and quacking like Riku - wasn't quite Riku. About the only thing Xion did not copy from Sora along the lines, at least as far as what she was supposed to clone - was his looks, and even that came about at the end of the game. She began from copying and then stole his Memories, was able to control whatever of his Keyblade Roxas had, absorbed even his fighting style, and arguably even acted like him at times.
Repliku took Riku's "Drama Queen"-ness several steps further. Unlike Xion and Roxas who shared Sora's doubts and insecurities about things, Repliku lacked the one thing that at that point in time, defined Riku most of all - his fear of Darkness. And as we see at the end - it was Repliku that went down, while Xion against Roxas has Xion wanting to go down going to explain why she did, as opposed to her not living up to what she was supposed to do.


tl;dr Repliku basically has the looks but none of the substance, while for the other one it's the other way around. Copying the essance would make that one the superior replica.
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But seeing as how both Replicas had their own personalities and minds separate from the thing they were supposed to be a replica of (which i believed is said in one of the secret reports, no?) that neither could truly hold the personality/essence of what they were replicating.

But then again, they ARE experiments, so, it is no wonder why they have so many flaws.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:37 AM   #24
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And why they're different from one another. Taking Repliku to CO is enough to show us that, not to mention how they ended up :\ I mean, can we even really be sure they're the same type of 'Replica'?
I really don't think you can compare them, least of all use that as basis for anything.
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Replicas are created by having duplicated memories of another. Like Repliku is of Riku and Xion is . . .

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:C Roar. No. They're different in that sense. Jeez. And hell, even the original outcomes that made Vexen take Repliku to CO as opposed to the other one shows as much from the get go.
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Well both replicas were brought to CO to be "finished" or whatever.
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And yet the processes they both went through were different, it seems, in great part because of how they themselves responded to them.
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I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THISSSSS! *O*

Well remember that when roxas goes to the twilight town mansion he says that someone used this a long time ago... WELL both Xion and Repliku were made in Castle OBLIVION.... SO how bout if theyre made inside those PODS?!! =o! also Namine cooperated with vexen in the replica creations
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In the Days Novel, Nami is working on Repliku and he IS in one of the pods...
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