Xion's Keyblade - where from

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

Seems to be only relevant to KH'Days? Personally I think Snarl of Memories was no different than Xion looking like Ven. Both seemed to use Xion to feature something pertaining to BBS.

I still have no idea how on Earth you think Snarl pertains to BBS. BBS isn't the only thing in the KH verse they can be implying to, you know. Not when we have Coded, not when we have KH3 eventually, not when we have Mystery!KH.

The sig is sarcastic in a way. It is supposed to have an interpretation in which the similarities are made to look ridiculously meaningless.

One of the two points I wanted the sig to express was how clothing of Ansem SoD resembling Master Xehanort's clothing is only as significant as Roxas' clothing resembling the clothing of Ansem SoD. If you believe the clothing of Ansem SoD having a connection to anyone is ridiculous, then my sig has served its purpose.

Only the irony is that SoD Ansem's clothes looking like MX's clothes probably does have meaning o_oa what with Apprentice Xehanort appeared after BBS ran its course and it involved a Master Xehanort that was also after KH and shiz. And it's not similarity, dude, it's the same freaking outfit.
I think I preferred it when I somehow thought your sig was serious. In fact, I'm positive I preferred it then.

[Key of Valor]

Originally Posted by Smile

I still have no idea how on Earth you think Snarl pertains to BBS. BBS isn't the only thing in the KH verse they can be implying to, you know. Not when we have Coded, not when we have KH3 eventually, not when we have Mystery!KH.

Well looking back on Reverse/Rebirth, there does seem to be some connection to Birth By Sleep. Not to go too far into that but Zexion and Riku do say to Roxas "That's all that's left in your heart: the darkest of memories. Your memories of home are gone, every one."

Now I could see that applying to a few characters connected to BBS...

Like Xehanort... being found with no memories except somehow obtained the name "Xehanort". Then there is his evil actions, fighting style similar to Vanitas, Master Xehanort's clothing, the design of the Heartless Seal, and so on. Even Xemnas claims he only remembers negative emotions.

Originally Posted by Smile

Only the irony is that SoD Ansem's clothes looking like MX's clothes probably does have meaning o_oa what with Apprentice Xehanort appeared after BBS ran its course and it involved a Master Xehanort that was also after KH and shiz. And it's not similarity, dude, it's the same freaking outfit.
I think I preferred it when I somehow thought your sig was serious. In fact, I'm positive I preferred it then.

The sig is serious in a way as well. It is many different things in many different ways, as I intended it to be. It's up for interpretation I suppose, lol. Clothes alone (and the dozen similarities between the two of them) isn't enough to establish a connection based on however one may interpret it.

I personally believe that those clothing similarities are of equal importance among all three of them. If Ansem SoD had similar clothes because of remnants of dark memories pertaining to Master Xehanort... then perhaps the same could be said about Roxas (with a combined influence of Ven's own clothing of course).

...eh, up to interpretation I suppose.

About Aqua's Keyblade though. (I might not be reading this right, so I apologize if am wrong but...) You believe her Keyblade is different from Sora's Keyblade, right? And indeed I agree that there are multiple possibilities to how their type of Keyblades may differ. However, could you specify the differences you think exist between the two?

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

The sig is serious in a way as well. It is many different things in many different ways, as I intended it to be. It's up for interpretation I suppose, lol. Clothes alone (and the dozen similarities between the two of them) isn't enough to establish a connection based on however one may interpret it.

Name.
His own clothing.
The clothing of their 'apprentices' (Riku filling in for XH).
To name a few. This is where it stops being coincidental and starts being a pattern.
But this isn't the thread for this.

I personally believe that those clothing similarities are of equal importance among all three of them. If Ansem SoD had similar clothes because of remnants of dark memories pertaining to Master Xehanort... then perhaps the same could be said about Roxas (with a combined influence of Ven's own clothing of course).

I'll admit Roxas's clothes look like Ven's a bit (as Ven's clothes look like an odd mixture of Sora and Roxas's clothes), but to link them to MX... o_O well, you're KoV. Can't say I'm surprised.

About Aqua's Keyblade though. (I might not be reading this right, so I apologize if am wrong but...) You believe her Keyblade is different from Sora's Keyblade, right? And indeed I agree that there are multiple possibilities to how their type of Keyblades may differ. However, could you specify the differences you think exist between the two?

Keychain, basically. xD; and anything that would imply for that. As for anything more, I have no way of knowing it, nor do I muchly care, truth be told. So long as they'll have enough differences to still let Riku call it a sham.

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

:3~ spankyu~

>_>; Kinky.

I donno, he did manage to copy the Soul Eater which is a Keyblade "baby", as I like to call it xD; but I suppose that depends on the true nature of the SE, as well as what Repliku had.

Yeah, but~ Copying something which seems to have no power other than the magical ability to be called and expelled (like the Org weapons to begin with) isn't nearly as far-fetched as making a faux Keyblade, with the powers of such. :\

Not to really be going against you as you seem to be supporting me, but, uh... Roxas and Sora had the Keyblade out at the same time, yet the only time another 'base' was mentioned was when Roxas got along to Duel Wielding. Though I suppose that can be due to him being Sora's Nobody, while Xion, despite her relation to them, was still only a 'third party'.

You mean... when they fought in that awakening place? (not sure of exact names) I always figured that fight took place in Sora's mind, rather than it being a physical battle, kind of like Cloud v Sephiroth final battle in FFVII. It always struck me as more of Roxas' last stand to take control of Sora's body+mind for good and become the dominant personality, out of a feeling of superiority. Not saying it wasn't a real fight, just that it wasn't necessarily a true, physical moment. Roxas was absorbed into Sora. He and Sora can't really fight irl. >>;

Nah. I didn't need the Ultimanias for that, really. But that's me and well... I'm me XD;
What I was trying to get at though is that he didn't reveal anything that was never implied before. I didn't say 'throw the scene out', just that seeing how he already blabbered about it enough, there was no 'harm' in making it common knowledge.

oic. :3

Only Nomura takes into consideration that players do get their paws on the FMs. Hence why the Sora vs Unknown fight in the first final mix has such drastic plot implications, it seems.

That's why he repeated some scenes in Days from Re:CoM and FM+? >>; Everybody was complaining of old scenes, when I'd never seen any of them before.

>3>;;; ...ouch.

<<;; ...sowwy.

If that was true, Xion wouldn't have needed to 'awaken' Ventus's Keyblade's "core" inside Roxas. One Keyblade was obviously the one he used all along - which he shared with Sora, and one was the awakened one, being Ventus's. However, as Nomura said - Xion woke up that Keyblade. She didn't give it back. Hence, she was not using it before.

If he never had the ability to use that second one before, then Xion would have simply awoken it, not given it back. Giving it back would imply she took it, when she didn't. She was merely using it. When she absorbed back to Roxas, her experiences using it flowed to Roxas and awoke his before innate ability to wield the second Keyblade.

Hm. I wonder if part of the reason why she didn't was because Xemnas took her 'core' away from her before the fusing. I know I said it before but here's another way to look at it, that just might support it C:

Yah, that's one of the reasons I like this theory. C:

Originally Posted by Smile

In fact, I'm positive I preferred it then.

Agree. >_>;

Just to end the discussion of Ansem SoD and Xehanort and blah blah... Master Xehanort's design was changed since the secret video. He no longer wears anything similar to the one with the Heart on the chest, so yeah. He's all monochromatic now. (sorry if this is a spoiler in some way, I don't feel character design of an already-established character is too bad of a spoiler D:)

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

>_>; Kinky.

8D

Yeah, but~ Copying something which seems to have no power other than the magical ability to be called and expelled (like the Org weapons to begin with) isn't nearly as far-fetched as making a faux Keyblade, with the powers of such. :\

I suppose he could've copied 'just that' without knowing about the potential to have it turn into a Keyblade.

You mean... when they fought in that awakening place? (not sure of exact names) I always figured that fight took place in Sora's mind, rather than it being a physical battle, kind of like Cloud v Sephiroth final battle in FFVII.

No. I'm talking about generally. From when Roxas was born, both Sora and Roxas had control over the Keyblade, without the Duel Wielding core that Xion woke up inside Roxas being brought into play. Namely, both Sora and Roxas were wielding at the same time, with only one core being ever mentioned. Though that just might be explained with their Nobody-Heart relation, again.

That's why he repeated some scenes in Days from Re:CoM and FM+? >>; Everybody was complaining of old scenes, when I'd never seen any of them before.

Mind explaining that? ^^;

<<;; ...sowwy.

I wasn't the offended party XD;

If he never had the ability to use that second one before, then Xion would have simply awoken it, not given it back. Giving it back would imply she took it, when she didn't. She was merely using it. When she absorbed back to Roxas, her experiences using it flowed to Roxas and awoke his before innate ability to wield the second Keyblade.

Hm. Saying she awokened inside Roxas something she was using doesn't make sense to me. If so, then the thing was already awake, as she was using it. Also, seeing how Roxas's Duel Wielding blades were accepted as real, I don't see how using it would've made it a sham, an imitation.

Yah, that's one of the reasons I like this theory. C:

:3~

Just to end the discussion of Ansem SoD and Xehanort and blah blah... Master Xehanort's design was changed since the secret video. He no longer wears anything similar to the one with the Heart on the chest, so yeah. He's all monochromatic now. (sorry if this is a spoiler in some way, I don't feel character design of an already-established character is too bad of a spoiler D:)

Nomura and his silly design changes.

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

8D

>>; Dirty, dirty.

No. I'm talking about generally. From when Roxas was born, both Sora and Roxas had control over the Keyblade, without the Duel Wielding core that Xion woke up inside Roxas being brought into play. Namely, both Sora and Roxas were wielding at the same time, with only one core being ever mentioned. Though that just might be explained with their Nobody-Heart relation, again.

This is why I think Roxas was using Ventus' Keyblade in Days while Xion was sapping Sora's from within him.

Mind explaining that? ^^;

Eh, for example, I never had seen a scene of Zexion and Riku on Destiny Islands, though that apparently was ripped straight from Re:CoM, making that scene increasingly impossible for me to wrap my brain around. >_>;

Hm. Saying she awokened inside Roxas something she was using doesn't make sense to me. If so, then the thing was already awake, as she was using it. Also, seeing how Roxas's Duel Wielding blades were accepted as real, I don't see how using it would've made it a sham, an imitation.

Eh, more like she was drawing her ability to wield from within Roxas, from the sleeping power he had within him. It doesn't need to be awake for Xion to use it, as she just saps its power. It can sleep and be sapped at the same time. Then, when she was absorbed back into Roxas, the flood of all of its power filling it again in one shot woke it up. She technically would not have given him her Keyblade, though her Wielding powers would have been returned to the sender, Sora. :3 *shrugs* It only makes sense if that sleeping Keyblade was Sora's, not Ventus'. >__>; Sora was asleep, why wouldn't his Keyblade sleep, too?

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

This is why I think Roxas was using Ventus' Keyblade in Days while Xion was sapping Sora's from within him.

Which would again leave her with not quite an imitation, imo. Not to mention that that too would be giving it back, not awakening it inside him.

Eh, for example, I never had seen a scene of Zexion and Riku on Destiny Islands, though that apparently was ripped straight from Re:CoM, making that scene increasingly impossible for me to wrap my brain around. >_>;

Ah, Snarl of Memories. Yeah, which is why I said - they expect you to pick up the final mixes and such ^^;;;

Eh, more like she was drawing her ability to wield from within Roxas, from the sleeping power he had within him. It doesn't need to be awake for Xion to use it, as she just saps its power. It can sleep and be sapped at the same time. Then, when she was absorbed back into Roxas, the flood of all of its power filling it again in one shot woke it up. She technically would not have given him her Keyblade, though her Wielding powers would have been returned to the sender, Sora. :3 *shrugs* It only makes sense if that sleeping Keyblade was Sora's, not Ventus'. >__>; Sora was asleep, why wouldn't his Keyblade sleep, too?

Because he wasn't asleep for a while. It's tricky like that XD;
Meh. I see where you're coming from. I just disagree with the technicalities.

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

Which would again leave her with not quite an imitation, imo. Not to mention that that too would be giving it back, not awakening it inside him.

Perhaps she was simply programmed to copy the innate Keyblade within Roxas? .-. When she dies, that copy is erased, though her knowledge of using the Keyblade returns to Roxas, allowing him to then use it fully. Still, that wouldn't contradict this theory, as she may still have needed an... amplifier? to channel the power through, that being Aqua's Keyblade. =X

Ah, Snarl of Memories. Yeah, which is why I said - they expect you to pick up the final mixes and such ^^;;;

;-; Stupid things aren't sold in America.

Because he wasn't asleep for a while. It's tricky like that XD;
Meh. I see where you're coming from. I just disagree with the technicalities.

o.o; Oh right. I kept forgetting someone made me look and see that Xion had the Keyblade during Sora's time in Castle Oblivion. Unless there were three Keyblades in Roxas... eh. >_>;

There goes my only argument against this. D:

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

Perhaps she was simply programmed to copy the innate Keyblade within Roxas? .-. When she dies, that copy is erased, though her knowledge of using the Keyblade returns to Roxas, allowing him to then use it fully. Still, that wouldn't contradict this theory, as she may still have needed an... amplifier? to channel the power through, that being Aqua's Keyblade. =X

She was absorbed into Roxas, giving anything she took back. Seeing how the Keyblade in some shape or form would be something she'd have to take from Sora and Roxas, she'd have to give it back :\ Unless of course the 'base' was taken from her - but I prefer my version of it it was taken before she was sent off to fight Roxas than at the time of her death.

;-; Stupid things aren't sold in America.

Re:CoM is o.o;;;

o.o; Oh right. I kept forgetting someone made me look and see that Xion had the Keyblade during Sora's time in Castle Oblivion. Unless there were three Keyblades in Roxas... eh. >_>;

Let's say there aren't :P

There goes my only argument against this. D:

\o/

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

She was absorbed into Roxas, giving anything she took back. Seeing how the Keyblade in some shape or form would be something she'd have to take from Sora and Roxas, she'd have to give it back :\ Unless of course the 'base' was taken from her - but I prefer my version of it it was taken before she was sent off to fight Roxas than at the time of her death.

Yeah, the more I think of this, the more it makes sense and the less any other ideas make sense. D:

Re:CoM is o.o;;;

o.o I was told not to buy it, as the original CoM was better. I'd only play it for the cutscenes, anyway, and I just haven't gotten around to borrowing and playing yet. I was more just referring to FM. D:

Let's say there aren't :P

A safe assumption, I'd say. :P

\o/

Yatta! \o/

So blah, you've managed to make a full supporter out of me. xP It makes too much sense. D: