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Old October 27th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #1
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Does anyone know why we didn't get to see Roxas 'control' them at all? He's supposed to be in command of them! It's not like the developers just forgot, because the journal entries for the Samurais states that they are under the command of Roxas.

Now, I'll try and make something out of nothing, and give evidence that we may have in fact seen Roxas control them:
1. In the 'Break the Jars' Mission: Roxas may have 'commanded' them to help him train?
2. When he's escaping from the castle, the Samurais may have fought Roxas to try and stop their 'leader' from leaving them?

^ But they really are desperate attempts at trying to come up with something.

My original question still stands though.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #2
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They weren't put in as allies due to programming issues.
As for training, no doubt they were put there and told to hack and slash.
As for why they disobeyed them, I remember reading in one of the interviews that the lesser Nobodies obeyed the Organization before obeying their specific 'Master'. Hence when Roxas was leaving, namely - betraying the Organization - they turned on him.
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They weren't put in as allies due to programming issues.
As for training, no doubt they were put there and told to hack and slash.
As for why they disobeyed them, I remember reading in one of the interviews that the lesser Nobodies obeyed the Organization before obeying their specific 'Master'. Hence when Roxas was leaving, namely - betraying the Organization - they turned on him.
this^, the ds doesnt have all the capabilities of other main consoles, and like smile also said, they follow the organization over their specific master
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Okay, thanks. But it'd still be cool if in at least one world, Roxas could summon the Samurais to help him, even if it was only in a cutscene.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #5
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Okay, thanks. But it'd still be cool if in at least one world, Roxas could summon the Samurais to help him, even if it was only in a cutscene.
i would like to have had a cutscene but im definetely not complaining, i think SE did a great job on the cutscenes/graphics in the game
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I'm not complaining either, but it would have been sweet.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 04:17 AM   #7
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Everybody forget Kingdom Hearts II?!

When Sora and co arrive at the Memory Skyscraper, what prevents Donald and Goofy from running to Sora's side when Roxas appears? Samurai Nobodies!

It's just a bit of a plot hole I suppose.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 04:27 AM   #8
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A better question would be why they turned on him at the end of Days, then supported him again near the end of KH2.

EDIT: ^ What he said.
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Hmm, I think maybe the Samurais that Roxas summoned also had misgivings about the Organization, thus they were willing to answer his call even if he's betrayed the Organization? Nobodies can think, after all. I would think even if Xemnas really turned anyone into Dusks they would spend the rest of their life grumbling and hating. So why can't the others?
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I would think even if Xemnas really turned anyone into Dusks they would spend the rest of their life grumbling and hating.
Which is against the nature of the Nobody. We do know for a fact that Lesser Nobodies do think and can speak, at least to other Nobodies, but there is no evidence to support the idea that they can feel :/

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Old October 29th, 2009, 10:11 AM   #11
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Everybody forget Kingdom Hearts II?!

When Sora and co arrive at the Memory Skyscraper, what prevents Donald and Goofy from running to Sora's side when Roxas appears? Samurai Nobodies!

It's just a bit of a plot hole I suppose.
I don't think we should take that at face value. The fight was in Sora's mind/heart/etc, after all. He could've been hallucinating it for all we know, seeing how he himself just disappeared. So it's not like Donald and Goofy running to him would've had real merit anyway.
Something along the lines of Sora saw the Samurais, but Donald and Goofy's reactions of shock were actually about Sora's disappearance rather than being stopped.
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But Donald and Goofy later said that they killed a few nobodies, so they did appear.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 11:42 AM   #13
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Small surprise seeing how they're in enemy territory. But the Samurais' actions might have nothing to do with it.
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Even so, Sora himself actually disappeared too. It seems to be too much to consider it all as a coincidence. And if the samurais had nothing to do with it, they would have just cut down on the weaponless Donald and Goofy the second they came, rather than just stood there like idiots.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #15
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well its good to see that they helped Roxas .... even just a little.
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