Keyblade differences

[towerofpowerx]

Ok, it's been established that Xion's KK was somehow a "fake" Keyblade, right? My question is, if it's fake, how can it still remove hearts from Heartless? Shouldn't a fake not be able to do that? What's the difference between Roxas's KK and hers? All they do is use their Keyblades to kill Heartless, so if hers is really fake, I don't see how that means it's inferior to Roxas's, because they do the same thing.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by towerofpowerx

Ok, it's been established that Xion's KK was somehow a "fake" Keyblade, right?

Originally Posted by Days Ultimania

So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's

I'd call it establishment if Nomura said so, yes.

My question is, if it's fake, how can it still remove hearts from Heartless? Shouldn't a fake not be able to do that?

She copied the powers of the Keyblade, that is, the shape and the eventual outcome. She "remembered" she could release Hearts and that's what happened. The Keyblade's "core", shall we call it, however, was never transferred. Hence why all she had was an imitation of it - not a real Keyblade.

What's the difference between Roxas's KK and hers?

Roxas has an honest to god "core" while Xion lacks it.

All they do is use their Keyblades to kill Heartless, so if hers is really fake, I don't see how that means it's inferior to Roxas's, because they do the same thing.

No one really said it was inferior. Just that it wasn't the real deal.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Smile

I'd call it establishment if Nomura said so, yes.

She copied the powers of the Keyblade, that is, the shape and the eventual outcome. She "remembered" she could release Hearts and that's what happened. The Keyblade's "core", shall we call it, however, was never transferred. Hence why all she had was an imitation of it - not a real Keyblade.

Roxas has an honest to god "core" while Xion lacks it.

No one really said it was inferior. Just that it wasn't the real deal.

I take issue with it, though, for several reasons.

If Xion's keyblade is "fake" and yet it looks and acts like a real Keyblade then, frankly, the word "fake" is nominal at best.

What separates it from a "real" Keyblade if it can do what a "real" Keyblade can?
Moreover, to confuse the matter even further, Xion can interchangeably use Roxas' keyblade, blurring the line between what is real and what is fake.

The dark keyblade that Riku used was "fake" in some respects, and it also had a different ability so that one could differentiate it from a legitimate keyblade (that is, it unlocks people's hearts). There is no such difference in Xion's keyblade, it releases the hearts from Heartless like a normal Keyblade.

The only two possible differences I can come up with are as follows:
1. The "fake" Keyblade doesn't need a chosen wielder. This can be immediately dismissed because it begs the question of why, say, Xemnas wasn't running around destroying Heartless with a fake keyblade. And, as I said, we KNOW Xion can use a "real" Keyblade.

2. It lacks the power to unlock all locks. Yet this seems like such an obscure and minute thing. It was never even hinted at that Xion's keyblade lacked this power (and was never even hinted at that her Keyblade was fake outside of Riku's dubious accusation). And this too begs a question: why would a "fake" keyblade not be able to hold one ability of a "real" keyblade while it has another ability of a real keyblade. It can release hearts from the heartless but it can't unlock locks?

You could still make a case for the second one, I know, but it just doesn't click at all. Especially considering that, you know, if her keyblade really is fake, then you'd have figured they would have highlighted why and how it's fake in the game.

And, to be more argumentative, Nomura never technically says in the Days Ultimania that her keyblade is fake.

"So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's."

The semantics here can be read so that Riku won under the supposition that the Keyblade was an imitation. That, in other words, Riku assumed Xion's keyblade to be fake and, as such, disregarded her ability (and won out of his confidence). With Roxas at maximum power and as Sora's Nobody, he was more inclined, naturally, to think he would lose to the "real" keyblade wielder.

[Smile]

Moreover, to confuse the matter even further, Xion can interchangeably use Roxas' keyblade, blurring the line between what is real and what is fake.

The only time in which she truly "used" Roxas's Keyblade was when it transferred into her hands, in which case she had copied the control over the Keyblade, but not the Keyblade itself.
Later on, Roxas gave her the Keyblade, and that's still debatable, as arguably him willing her to hold onto it was enough. Also, the ability was still there, she just didn't have enough of their shared powers in her to make the imitation until later on. Nomura explained as much in the Ultimania.

The dark keyblade that Riku used was "fake" in some respects, and it also had a different ability so that one could differentiate it from a legitimate keyblade (that is, it unlocks people's hearts). There is no such difference in Xion's keyblade, it releases the hearts from Heartless like a normal Keyblade.

Riku's Keyblade was "artificial". Namely, it wasn't made in the same way. However, here, Xion's Keyblade is an "imitation". Of course it would follow the same goal, that's what it was copied out to be. However, while it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it seems to be an elephant.

1. The "fake" Keyblade doesn't need a chosen wielder. This can be immediately dismissed because it begs the question of why, say, Xemnas wasn't running around destroying Heartless with a fake keyblade. And, as I said, we KNOW Xion can use a "real" Keyblade.

Because the fake Keyblade was dependent on her copying Roxas's Keyblade. That means that the fake Keyblade was dependent on the nature of Xion's existence, being a replica.
And much like how Xion isn't really Sora despite looking like him and having his Memories, neither is her Keyblade a real Keyblade.

2. It lacks the power to unlock all locks. Yet this seems like such an obscure and minute thing. It was never even hinted at that Xion's keyblade lacked this power (and was never even hinted at that her Keyblade was fake outside of Riku's dubious accusation). And this too begs a question: why would a "fake" keyblade not be able to hold one ability of a "real" keyblade while it has another ability of a real keyblade. It can release hearts from the heartless but it can't unlock locks?

I'd hardly call it dubious if Nomura backs him up just about all through the Ultimania. And seeing how realizing Roxas's Keyblade was real was part of why Nomura said Riku lost to Xion, I think that's saying that Riku can and does tell apart fake Keyblades from the real deal.
As for unlocking, I wouldn't know as they never really bothered with that aspect in Days.

Especially considering that, you know, if her keyblade really is fake, then you'd have figured they would have highlighted why and how it's fake in the game.

Like how they highlighted the whys and hows Nomura did in the novels for KH2 that eventually gave us the FM+, right? :\
Xion is a replica. Nomura said her Keyblade is an imitation, and that the reason Roxas Duel Wields is not because he got Xion's Keyblade. I think the line of logic he follows is pretty straight forward.

The semantics here can be read so that Riku won under the supposition that the Keyblade was an imitation. That, in other words, Riku assumed Xion's keyblade to be fake and, as such, disregarded her ability (and won out of his confidence). With Roxas at maximum power and as Sora's Nobody, he was more inclined, naturally, to think he would lose to the "real" keyblade wielder.

As far as semantics go, in case you missed it from my post thus far - I don't think it was only Riku's impression. Especially since with Nomura saying that Roxas did not get Xion's own Keyblade, but she woke up another Keyblade inside him - the point of doubting its authenticity everywhere else is kind of redundant. If she'd have had a real Keyblade, why not just take hers? They're parts of the same person. He'd have had the Memories. They fused, he'd have had the core - much like how Xion was no doubt to take Roxas's had she been the victor.
However, she did not give him her Keyblade - she made one wake up inside him, in addition to the one he already had.
Riku could tell the differences in Keyblades. The Keyblades, not the wielders.
And need I remind you - he asked Roxas about why he had the Keyblade before he saw his face, and realized it was Sora's Nobody. The issue about the Keyblade arose before the Nobody issue truly came into full impact.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Smile

The only time in which she truly "used" Roxas's Keyblade was when it transferred into her hands, in which case she had copied the control over the Keyblade, but not the Keyblade itself.
Later on, Roxas gave her the Keyblade, and that's still debatable, as arguably him willing her to hold onto it was enough. Also, the ability was still there, she just didn't have enough of their shared powers in her to make the imitation until later on. Nomura explained as much in the Ultimania.

Doesn't matter that Roxas willed it- she still used a "real" Keyblade.
We've observed that wielders can use the keyblade of another chosen wielder, as seen with Roxas and Riku.
However, when a non-chosen wielder tries to wield the Keyblade of another, it doesn't work. As we see with Jack Sparrow.

The point here is that Xion was clearly a chosen wielder of the Keyblade in every sense of the word, otherwise she would be incapable of wielding Roxas' keyblade, whether he willed it or not.

Originally Posted by Smile

Riku's Keyblade was "artificial". Namely, it wasn't made in the same way. However, here, Xion's Keyblade is an "imitation". Of course it would follow the same goal, that's what it was copied out to be. However, while it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it seems to be an elephant.

You concede that Xion's keyblade is "fake" here, meaning that you take "imitation" to mean "fake."
In Another Report, Nomura uses "artificial" and "fake" interchangeably.
ie artificial=fake=imitation.

But let's say it is "fake" in a different sense than the dark keyblade is "fake." Ok. So how?
As you say, it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, but it's an elephant? How? Because the only impression we can get is that it is a duck which is named as an elephant- a nominal difference.

Originally Posted by Smile

Because the fake Keyblade was dependent on her copying Roxas's Keyblade. That means that the fake Keyblade was dependent on the nature of Xion's existence, being a replica.
And much like how Xion isn't really Sora despite looking like him and having his Memories, neither is her Keyblade a real Keyblade.

That still means there is a "chosen" prerequisite.

Originally Posted by Smile

I'd hardly call it dubious if Nomura backs him up just about all through the Ultimania. And seeing how realizing Roxas's Keyblade was real was part of why Nomura said Riku lost to Xion, I think that's saying that Riku can and does tell apart fake Keyblades from the real deal.
As for unlocking, I wouldn't know as they never really bothered with that aspect in Days.

"All through the Ultimania"? Like... where? Besides that one quote, nowhere. And, as I said, you cannot say whether or not he's actually backing him up.

Riku isn't one inclined to believe. It took him upwards of a year just to be convinced that Roxas really was Sora's Nobody.

Originally Posted by Smile

Like how they highlighted the whys and hows Nomura did in the novels for KH2 that eventually gave us the FM+, right? :\
Xion is a replica. Nomura said her Keyblade is an imitation, and that the reason Roxas Duel Wields is not because he got Xion's Keyblade. I think the line of logic he follows is pretty straight forward.

This is a pivotal part of the plot, not a minor addition. The question of the keyblade's authenticity was even addressed in the game, but simply never resolved. Do not compare it to the additions in KH2FM.

And as I said, you cannot conclude from that statement that Nomura said her keyblade is an imitation.
I never said anything about dual wielding here.

Originally Posted by Smile

As far as semantics go, in case you missed it from my post thus far - I don't think it was only Riku's impression. Especially since with Nomura saying that Roxas did not get Xion's own Keyblade, but she woke up another Keyblade inside him - the point of doubting its authenticity everywhere else is kind of redundant. If she'd have had a real Keyblade, why not just take hers? They're parts of the same person. He'd have had the Memories. They fused, he'd have had the core - much like how Xion was no doubt to take Roxas's had she been the victor.
However, she did not give him her Keyblade - she made one wake up inside him, in addition to the one he already had.
Riku could tell the differences in Keyblades. The Keyblades, not the wielders.
And need I remind you - he asked Roxas about why he had the Keyblade before he saw his face, and realized it was Sora's Nobody. The issue about the Keyblade arose before the Nobody issue truly came into full impact.

Once again, nothing can be drawn conclusively from that statement. You cannot assume Nomura himself was saying anything from it.

But, let's say he WAS saying that Xion's keyblade is an "imitation."
Well, then that just goes right back to what constitutes as an imitation- in his words, a "fake."
The differences that we can establish are, as I've said, nominal.

It would be like saying the second keyblade acquired from dual wielding is an "imitation." It comes from the first and looks and acts like the first. There is no difference aside from how it came from an original which preceded it. It's also like saying that all humans are "imitations" of the humans before them. Doesn't make them any less human.

And as for the dual wielding thing- I don't really see how that could go for or against the idea that Xion's keyblade is "fake."
Roxas did not literally inherit Xion's keyblade. So? What does that establish?
Nothing outside of what it says. Xion's keyblade didn't have to be real or fake for it to be a factor in how Roxas dual wields- the ability to dual wield actually has nothing to do with Xion aside from her unlocking the ability within Roxas.

You might ask yourself where Xion's "part" of the keyblade went after she died if it was real. I say you're thinking in too literal terms. It's like asking where the keyblade is when Sora isn't wielding it (or where that second keyblade is). Or, hey, it even begs the question of where non-keyblade weapons go to when they're not being wielded- like Riku's soul eater or Vexen's shield. Ultimately, while the answer may be different for each of these, it is not relevant at all. You don't have to assume it goes somewhere and, even if it does, that doesn't say anything about whether or not her keyblade is fake.

Xion unlocked the ability to dual wield in Roxas. The fate of her keyblade is irrelevant to this- though it's good as gone for all we care. Why Roxas didn't just "inherit" hers is a matter of why Roxas/Sora can dual wield at all, which will be addressed in BbS.

[Smile]

Doesn't matter that Roxas willed it- she still used a "real" Keyblade.
We've observed that wielders can use the keyblade of another chosen wielder, as seen with Roxas and Riku.
However, when a non-chosen wielder tries to wield the Keyblade of another, it doesn't work. As we see with Jack Sparrow.

The point here is that Xion was clearly a chosen wielder of the Keyblade in every sense of the word, otherwise she would be incapable of wielding Roxas' keyblade, whether he willed it or not.

She is a chosen wielder of the Keyblade via being a clone of Sora's, and copying the "qualification" off of Roxas.
And you so conveniently forgot to mention Kairi there. Do you want to raise the notion no one really wants to, or settle for her being a PoH so she "cheated"?

That still means there is a "chosen" prerequisite.

In a whole different way. She's "chosen" because she's the one copying the wielding ability.

It would be like saying the second keyblade acquired from dual wielding is an "imitation."

Only Nomura said that the Keyblade Roxas used was not the one Xion had, so whether Xion's Keyblade was real or not doesn't affect that Keyblade. Nomura said that was a Keyblade woken up inside Roxas.
And he also confirmed that both Keyblades Riku had in KH2 were as real as Sora's was in Another Report.
So that's a really bad example, or wording, you picked for yourself.
Sora and Riku (assuming the Duel Wielding theory I like for him is true) would've gotten extra, real, honest to god Keyblades, from Ven and Xehanort's Heartless. Xion's wielding from the get go is dependant on Roxas. And if she awoke the extra Keyblade inside him instead of gave it to him, then she was not using that dormant Keyblade. She was copying.

It's also like saying that all humans are "imitations" of the humans before them. Doesn't make them any less human.

All this semantics debate makes me wanna beat up the KHI translators to pick a better word. Either them or Nomura. But I really don't see the point of the example you brought. I am not an imitation of my mother, nor of my father. I am not supposed to be a carbon copy of them, as opposed to Xion's Keyblade and Roxas's.

It's like asking where the keyblade is when Sora isn't wielding it (or where that second keyblade is).

No, that's not really an issue :\ it stayed with him. The core of it at least if not what seems to be added abilities which Days wants to try and establish.
I wonder if that's the point of Keychain-less Keyblades. Riku with the SE and TAV had the "core". It needed something extra, hence the Keychain - which Xion had, what with the Keychains being related to Memories. She lacked the core, but only had the abilities. It ties in nicely at least until I care to know more about the extent of TAV's Keyblades. But I suppose that's something for a theory thread I'll never make as BBS will show either way and I won't post it before I play.

Or, hey, it even begs the question of where non-keyblade weapons go to when they're not being wielded- like Riku's soul eater or Vexen's shield.

No, that's being literaly and somewhat petty. The better question would be - where did the Keyblade come from originally. If it truly is real which I don't believe it to be, it would be almost like asking where do Keyblades die when the wielders do - only now you're actually telling me Sora has three Keyblades and hell maybe even four as Xion was absorbed back into him.

Why Roxas didn't just "inherit" hers is a matter of why Roxas/Sora can dual wield at all, which will be addressed in BbS.

Actually it does matter. Roxas ate Xion up. Everything she had is inside him and Roxas.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Smile

She is a chosen wielder of the Keyblade via being a clone of Sora's, and copying the "qualification" off of Roxas.
And you so conveniently forgot to mention Kairi there. Do you want to raise the notion no one really wants to, or settle for her being a PoH so she "cheated"?

All evidence points to Kairi being a keyblade wielder.

Originally Posted by Smile

In a whole different way. She's "chosen" because she's the one copying the wielding ability.

Still makes no sense to me though.
Being chosen for a fake keyblade is so utterly redundant.

Moreover, either way (in the case the the keyblade is "fake") it's a strike.
If she was "chosen" in some way, that's just another similarity with the "real" keyblade, making it that much more legitimate. It looks exactly like a real keyblade, it acts exactly like a real keyblade, and you're chosen for it exactly like a real keyblade.
And if she was not chosen that again begs the question about Xemnas wielding it.

Originally Posted by Smile

Actually it does matter. Roxas ate Xion up. Everything she had is inside him and Roxas.

So, going by this of course, that would mean, by your standards, that Roxas has absorbed the ability to wield a fake keyblade.

But, Xion's keyblade was not insider her, regardless of whether or not it was real. That has no bearing on Roxas' ability to dual wield. When Xion died, that was it. Her KK isn't going to be wielded again. Something else within Xion, rather, granted Roxas the ability to dual wield.

[Smile]

All evidence points to Kairi being a keyblade wielder.

Evidence? The evidence I see is that Nomura all but said that Kairi wielding is due to Duel Wielding. And who was it that pulled two at the same time, huh? Certainly not her.

Still makes no sense to me though.
Being chosen for a fake keyblade is so utterly redundant.

Because Xion was leeching off of Sora and Roxas's abilities :\ she's not really qualified. Whatever powers she had over the Keyblade she got off of Sora and Roxas. And hence, so long as their own Keyblades were in their possession, it'd leave her without a proper one. Only an imitation along with the rest of her.

So, going by this of course, that would mean, by your standards, that Roxas has absorbed the ability to wield a fake keyblade.

It could come to explain why he had two when he fought Sora :P

But, Xion's keyblade was not insider her, regardless of whether or not it was real.

Ok, wise guy, you're gonna have to explain that, because that makes no sense what so ever :\ Keyblades are "inside" the people. Sora got another Keyblade when he ate Roxas up. Hell, Riku got his Keyblade from Xehanort by that same logic. If Xion was absorbed by them, and her Keyblade was real, it would be absorbed too.

Something else within Xion, rather, granted Roxas the ability to dual wield.

Yes, Ven. But you're dodging the issue o_O

[Piercing Light]

Do you think it's possible that along with gaining the ability to duel wield Roxas and maybe Riku just got the ability to duel wield multiple keyblades? this would explain Sora being able to triple wield in his fight with Roxas.

[Smile]

Riku Duel Wielded, most likely, when he gave Kairi the Gayblade to use. Beyond that, whether or not Sora/Roxas have three Keyblade and where all those extra Keyblades came from, all Nomura would say is that it has to do with Xehanor'ts Memories.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Smile

Evidence? The evidence I see is that Nomura all but said that Kairi wielding is due to Duel Wielding. And who was it that pulled two at the same time, huh? Certainly not her.

Did I say anything about the Gayblade being Kairi's Keyblade?

I said it points to her being a chosen wielder. The fact that she could wield it at all.

Originally Posted by Smile

Because Xion was leeching off of Sora and Roxas's abilities :\ she's not really qualified. Whatever powers she had over the Keyblade she got off of Sora and Roxas. And hence, so long as their own Keyblades were in their possession, it'd leave her without a proper one. Only an imitation along with the rest of her.

She's not qualified? And yet she can use Roxas' keyblade?

Originally Posted by Smile

It could come to explain why he had two when he fought Sora :P

=/

Originally Posted by Smile

Ok, wise guy, you're gonna have to explain that, because that makes no sense what so ever :\ Keyblades are "inside" the people. Sora got another Keyblade when he ate Roxas up. Hell, Riku got his Keyblade from Xehanort by that same logic. If Xion was absorbed by them, and her Keyblade was real, it would be absorbed too.

You're speaking in awfully literal terms.
The keyblade isn't inside people. The ability to wield it is.

Xion, as you said, is not the same person as Sora. A copy, sure, but not the same person. Not like Roxas.
When she died, her ability to wield the keyblade went along with it. As we talked about in a different topic, she was not only comprised of things that belonged to Sora (impossible). Not everything went to Sora, just want belonged there. The rest, for all intents and purposes, faded out of existence. Her memories returned to Sora, and even some of her own lived on through him, sure, but as a person, as a being, she is completely and utterly gone. That being, independent of Sora in a way that Roxas could never be (since he IS Sora), can no longer wield the Keyblade because that being no longer exists.

The ability to dual wield comes from something within Xion actualizing Roxas' ability. Meaning that somewhere in Sora's memories (whatever it is that relates to Ven), is what gives him the ability to dual wield. It was always there, well before Xion at least, but her circumstances simply activated it. Her ability to wield is gone, period. She was not Sora. She is gone, abilities and all, aside from her memories. Roxas' abilities lived on through Sora because he IS Sora.

Originally Posted by Smile

Yes, Ven. But you're dodging the issue o_O

No, I'm not.

[towerofpowerx]

Wow, that's a lot to digest in one lump :) Apparently, Xion's KK is still a fake, and while it seems exactly the same as the real KK, this is not so. I suppose the only way to resolve that would be to see Xion's Keyblade used for sealing a Keyhole, or unlocking Kingdom Hearts, or something like that. Personally I don't think Xion's Keyblade could in fact do so, if only because that would be the one thing separating Xion's Keyblade from being exactly the same as Sora's/Roxas's KK, hence reducing the label "fake Keyblade" into redundancy.

Also, what with Roxas sharing his Keyblade with Xion, the line between real and fake Keyblades has become somewhat blurred. So let's break it down:

Roxas was using Sora's KK throughout Days, not an imitation like Xion's. So Roxas could use Sora's KK from the beginning, right? Did he have to through that whatchamacallit, Destati?, to get to use it first? They never showed it, that's for sure. And if he did, what's up with KHII? Roxas lost his memories, then had to go through that all over again to use the Keyblade? I mean, isn't once enough?

Xion's Keyblade is fake. That's been established.

When Xion died, Roxas somehow gained the abilitiy to use her Keyblade, even though it's fake, which brought about dual-weilding Roxas. Does Roxas's dual-weilding work on the same principle that Sora's dual-weilding does? Roxas could use Xion's KK because he knew her, and were connected by their memories, or something of that nature. Roxas is the one who gained the ability of using Xion's fake KK, not Sora, which is why Sora couldn't dual-weild on his own. I believe Sora is tapping into Roxas's power when he uses a drive form, hence his tendency to get overtaken by darkness when he does. I used to believe Sora was using Roxas's Keyblade when he did so, but since Roxas's KK is in fact Sora's, this is not so. Then, by process of elimination, Sora's second Keyblade has to be Xion's. Why? Because Roxas is the one with the power to use Xion's fake Keyblade, not Sora, otherwise Sora would be dual-weilding all the time. So, only by linking with Roxas and using Roxas's power and abilities along with his own when dual-weilding, only then could Sora access Roxas's ability to use Xion's fake Keyblade, since Xion is really a part of both of them. It also explains how you can use different Keychains on your second weapon, since as far as we know, only the KK has that ability, hence Xion's fake KK, which apparetely is just the same as the real thing, despite being fake :)

[Allister Rose]

i dont tihnk Kairi is a "chosen" keyblade wielder. i mean is it so far-fetch to say Riku allowed her to wield it?

my theory on dualblading is that they attatch two charms and the keyblade's power splits into two. so echnically riku was wielding one half and kairi the other (if this theory was true)

as for XIon it was Sora's extension that allowed her to wield it. same for roxas.

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

And you so conveniently forgot to mention Kairi there. Do you want to raise the notion no one really wants to, or settle for her being a PoH so she "cheated"?

There's a MAJOR difference between Kairi and Xion, though. Kairi has a Heart, it being even one of Pure Light.

And I raise the question of Roxas' Keyblade... Was that an "imitation," too, or was he just using Sora's Keyblade? That would make Xion's Keyblade an imitation of an imitation. Unless...

... Xion awakened "Ven's Keyblade" within Roxas upon being absorbed, yes? Isn't it somewhat possible that the Keyblade hers was drawing power from happened to be that one, rather than directly from the one Roxas was wielding? This would explain why they were both able to wield at the same time, with Xion simply sapping away Roxas' physical strength, rather than the aptitude/ability of his Keyblade. I don't recall a time when Roxas lost his ability to wield it, so I don't see anything which says it MUST have been imitated from the Keyblade Roxas knew about.

Or, on another train of thought~ Maybe Xion's was "imitated" from Sora's Keyblade, but Roxas is seen wielding Ventus' Keyblade throughout Days, with Xion then awakening Sora's Keyblade in Roxas. This would explain Riku remembering when he took the Keyblade from Sora after having held Xion's sham of a Keyblade.

Actually it does matter. Roxas ate Xion up. Everything she had is inside him and Roxas.

Roxas may have always had the ability to wield that second Keyblade, but was unable to use it due to Xion's existence, as she was sapping its power. Thus she transferred the stolen power back to Roxas, waking up the ability to call it out within him. That being said, Xion could have been directly wielding that Keyblade, albeit a slightly depowered form of it, due to not having its full power in her. Would this still be strictly an imitation?


As Assassin was saying, though... Xion's Keyblade releases Hearts, sending them to Kingdom Hearts like a real Keyblade, "chooses" people like a real Keyblade (or else Xion would have been unable to use it while Roxas used his "stick"), and it looks exactly like a real Keyblade, right down to the Keychain. I think that's one damned good imitation, and I doubt Vexen could pull something off like that on his own. (Yay~ Sora~ :3)

Originally Posted by towerofpowerx

When Xion died, blah blah blah despite being fake :)

No.

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Originally Posted by towerofpowerx

When Xion died, Roxas somehow gained the abilitiy to use her Keyblade, even though it's fake, which brought about dual-weilding Roxas.

He wasn't wielding her Keyblade. Absorbing her gave him the ability to wield another Keyblade since it woke up that extra Keyblade inside him. Nomura was quite clear about that (as clear as he gets without telling us stuff along the lines of "it's Ven's Keyblade, there because they have Ven's Heart").

Does Roxas's dual-weilding work on the same principle that Sora's dual-weilding does?

Supposedly yes. Roxas and Sora share a Keyblade, and then Roxas got another Keyblade. Once Sora absorbed him, he got his Keyblade back in full, as well as the Keyblade Xion woke up inside Roxas.

I used to believe Sora was using Roxas's Keyblade when he did so, but since Roxas's KK is in fact Sora's, this is not so.

Only 'tis.

It also explains how you can use different Keychains on your second weapon, since as far as we know, only the KK has that ability, hence Xion's fake KK, which apparetely is just the same as the real thing, despite being fake :)

Keychains aren't a factor in Days. And seeing how you say Roxas used her Keyblade when Duel Wielding, it turning into either the Oathkeeper or Oblivion nulls that :\

tl;dr it's not Xion's own Keyblade.

Originally Posted by Allister Rose

i dont tihnk Kairi is a "chosen" keyblade wielder. i mean is it so far-fetch to say Riku allowed her to wield it?

Some would say so. I'm satisfied with saying it's because she's a PoH, if we need a better explanation beyond 'Riku let her'.

my theory on dualblading is that they attatch two charms and the keyblade's power splits into two. so echnically riku was wielding one half and kairi the other (if this theory was true)

Only Nomura contradicted that theory when saying Xion woke up another Keyblade inside Roxas and hence his Duel Wielding. She woke up a Keyblade, not a Keychain.Also, he originally had two Kingdom Keys, and only later changed the Keychains. So he was using "one" Keychain for both Keyblades.