Fake Keyblade(spoilers)

[robertexe]

Many have stated that Xion's keyblade is fake and this is supported by Riku calling it a "sham". Xion's keyblade isn't fake! Its simply the Kingdom Key split in two. Now you guys are probably saying
"Riku called it a sham,he wouldn't say that for nothing!" The thing is,when Riku and Xion face off at Beast's Castle,Riku lifts his eyeband to see Xion's face. Now remember, Xion's appearance changes depending on the person's relationship with her.Riku sees her face and steps back in amazement and then asks "Who are you really!?" Riku doesn't say this because Xion looks like Kairi,he says this because he sees SORA!!! That's why Riku says "Who are you really!?" because he knows this isnt really Sora because Sora is sleeping. Riku then calls Xion keyblade a fake because there is no way this "Sora" is using the real keyblade. Obviously,DiZ then explains Xion's situation to Riku.

Go ahead and comment!

[Key of Valor]

Personally I don't believe Xion's Keyblade was fake, nor do I believe her Keyblade split from another Keyblade. Everything Xion had, her memories, powers, and abilities... they won't copied, they were stolen, mostly from both Sora and Roxas. This means that any Keyblades she did manage to possess would probably have been taken from Roxas or Sora (not like Sora is using his Keyblade anyways).

And Riku probably saw Kairi's face. It was implied in the scene where Namine explained Xion's appearance to Riku. It's also implied during Riku and Xion's conversation on the island about the "the girl who looks a lot like Xion". Also, if Riku had seen Sora's face, shouldn't he had just thought that he had come across Sora's Nobody?

[Smile]

Originally Posted by robertexe

Many have stated that Xion's keyblade is fake and this is supported by Riku calling it a "sham". Xion's keyblade isn't fake! Its simply the Kingdom Key split in two.

Sorry. But no.

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

Personally I don't believe Xion's Keyblade was fake, nor do I believe her Keyblade split from another Keyblade. Everything Xion had, her memories, powers, and abilities... they won't copied, they were stolen, mostly from both Sora and Roxas. This means that any Keyblades she did manage to possess would probably have been taken from Roxas or Sora (not like Sora is using his Keyblade anyways).

I used to believe that too, but then came the Ultimania.

Originally Posted by Ultimania

So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's

Xion's Keyblade wasn't a real Keyblade. It had the form of a Keyblade and the same abilities, but it was an imitation. Much like Riku said - a sham. The only one there who had a real Keyblade was Roxas (who later had TWO).
Xion probably would've absorbed his Keyblade had she beaten him, but that didn't happen.
Going by how Nomura described the shifting of powers between Roxas and Xion, however the Keyblade was split between Roxas and Sora didn't really matter. Roxas had his share of the Keyblade (said to be half the power, going by Diz), and that was what was split between Roxas and Xion. Hence the balance of powers Nomura kept going on about in the Ultimania.

Originally Posted by robertexe

Riku sees her face and steps back in amazement and then asks "Who are you really!?" Riku doesn't say this because Xion looks like Kairi,he says this because he sees SORA!!! That's why Riku says "Who are you really!?" because he knows this isnt really Sora because Sora is sleeping. Riku then calls Xion keyblade a fake because there is no way this "Sora" is using the real keyblade. Obviously,DiZ then explains Xion's situation to Riku.

Actually, the one that explained the Xion situation to Riku was Namine :\ so she was a lot more gentle with it. And while I do have to wonder if he really saw Kairi and not someone else, nothing really implies to it, and he did end up seeing Kairi, so for now I think it's safe to assume that's who he saw the first time around, until better proof otherwise come into play.

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

And Riku probably saw Kairi's face. It was implied in the scene where Namine explained Xion's appearance to Riku. It's also implied during Riku and Xion's conversation on the island about the "the girl who looks a lot like Xion". Also, if Riku had seen Sora's face, shouldn't he had just thought that he had come across Sora's Nobody?

He met Roxas face to face, saw the similarities and still didn't react like he met his Nobody. In fact, I think an identical carbon-copy of Sora would've made him doubt it being the Nobody even more, especially since Nomura brought up the issue that about the only reason Riku lost to Roxas at all was his disbelief and grief at the whole situation. He didn't want to believe any of it. Poor thing :C
As for seeing her face... while I do think it's likely he saw Kairi, by that point in the game, we've seen Xion's face. We've also seen that other people see her differently with the hood or without. For the time being, again, it's safe to assume Kairi is the one he saw, but then the question comes up - why didn't we saw Kairi during that scene? We already knew that's what Xion looked like.
So while it's unbased for now, I don't think it's just to write it off completely.

[Zero Sora]

Riku could have seen a few things, Sora, Kairi, or her blank face (I seem to recall someone saying Xion's face was originally blank) I like to think he just saw a blank face, it would add up to his shock. I don't really think it was Sora's face he saw, because I believe he would have commented on that fact if it was. Something like "Why do you look like Sora?" or "Your face looks like his", just something a little more then "Who are you really?". Now that I think about it, I suppose that would actually spoil us if he mentioned Sora's face.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Zero Sora

Riku could have seen a few things, Sora, Kairi, or her blank face (I seem to recall someone saying Xion's face was originally blank)

Namine. She asked Riku if he knew about it, and then said that her looking like Kairi was the result of Sora's Memories flowing into her.

I like to think he just saw a blank face, it would add up to his shock.

I like it too. Would add up with his "I don't know who you're supposed to be" - if he saw either Sora or Kairi, that would be who Xion was supposed to be - but isn't.

Now that I think about it, I suppose that would actually spoil us if he mentioned Sora's face.

But seeing how from rather an early point in time they didn't bother to hide Xion and Sora's relations from us, I doubt he'd have held back at all. Him being that vague makes it likely he saw the blank face, imo.

[Gildragon]

PROTIP: see the section that says spoilers? use it.

Any whoo it seemed to me that Roxas only got his ability to dual weild after (through a transferance of sorts) Xion's death.

It would make the most sense to me that her keyblade while not ORIGINAL was still a very real keyblade thus providing Roxas with the ability to wield two actual keyblades

[mangekyou sasuke]

I'd like to further support the theory that states that Xion's Keyblade is not fake and the same for roxas. Here is a theory i posted just ten minutes ago on a different thread:

Originally Posted by mangekyou sasuke

I have my own theories on this.
They say that only a strong heart can control the keyblade. We learn that a heart is what keeps memories. I think it's these memories that give the heart it's strenght and in effect are the very things that are the power to control a keyblade. The reason roxas' and Xion's keyblades take the form of the kingdom Key is because thats what sora's memories make it. since these memories are in Roxas and Xion, there keyblades take this form also. Only at the very end do they take there true forms, the forms given to them by there masters because there own memories, not sora's. The Oblivion takes the form of the dark memories that Xion had while The Oathkeeper takes the form of Roxas' memories of his two friends and there times together on the clock tower.

The keyblades weren't fakes, they merely took the shape of the memories they already had and once roxas and Xion had accumulated there own memories, they took there real forms.

[Silver warrior]

when xion toched the keyblade on the darkside fight,that's when xion got the power of the keyblade beacuse by toching the key blade she absorb the power.but when roxas fell a sleep the power shift to xion taking his place wile roxas sleep,then when he woke up the power shifted back to roxas leving xion withot a the keyblade powers,that when he started taking her on missoions then when he let her borrowed the keyblade the power was split and she could wield the keyblade agin.later xion started to absorb more of roxas leaving roxas weak

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Gildragon

Any whoo it seemed to me that Roxas only got his ability to dual weild after (through a transferance of sorts) Xion's death.

It would make the most sense to me that her keyblade while not ORIGINAL was still a very real keyblade thus providing Roxas with the ability to wield two actual keyblades

:\ only Nomura said that Roxas's Keyblade was real while Xion's wasn't - only an imitation, not a real Keyblade. And that the reason he was able to duel wield was because Xion woke the other Keyblade up inside him, he didn't really take hers. Most likely - Ven relations.

Originally Posted by mangekyou sasuke

We learn that a heart is what keeps memories.

Then explain human shaped Nobodies. They lack Hearts, yet have the Memories. And going by how when Sora had the Memories, Roxas didn't, and when Roxas and Xion did, Sora didn't, the Memories seem to be only in one place. So it's hard to even say the Heart stores it while the Nobody has access, as that doesn't seem to be the case.

I think it's these memories that give the heart it's strenght and in effect are the very things that are the power to control a keyblade.

Yes and no. Memories are what gives the Heart its shape. Hence why without them, Repliku collapsed, Marluxia was contemplating Sora becoming a lifeless puppet if Namine was to tear his Memories apart, Xion and Roxas were puppets until they gained Memories of their own. However, the Heart is still the Heart even without the Memories, and it is what truly holds the Keyblade - hence why Xion only had an imitation of a Keyblade - she only had the Memory of a Keyblade.

Only at the very end do they take there true forms, the forms given to them by there masters because there own memories, not sora's. The Oblivion takes the form of the dark memories that Xion had while The Oathkeeper takes the form of Roxas' memories of his two friends and there times together on the clock tower.

This is where your theory really burns since the Oathkeeper is Sora's Memories of Kairi, while the Oblivion is Sora's Memories of Riku. Confirmed, undeniable truth in the KH verse. Roxas Duel Wielding them shows he has all of Sora's Memories inside him.

The keyblades weren't fakes, they merely took the shape of the memories they already had and once roxas and Xion had accumulated there own memories, they took there real forms.

The Keyblades Roxas Duel Wielded were both real - the part of the Keyblade he received from Sora at birth, as well as whatever Xion woke up in him when he absorbed her.

Originally Posted by Silver warrior

when xion toched the keyblade on the darkside fight,that's when xion got the power of the keyblade beacuse by toching the key blade she absorb the power.

She absorbed Roxas's powers simply by being next to him. It was rather a lucky shot that she absorbed power over the Keyblade when she needed to, rather than because she touched it. Remember? The Keyblade teleported into her hand, meaning, she had the power before she really touched it.

[Zero Sora]

They say that only a strong heart can control the keyblade. We learn that a heart is what keeps memories. I think it's these memories that give the heart it's strenght and in effect are the very things that are the power to control a keyblade. The reason roxas' and Xion's keyblades take the form of the kingdom Key is because thats what sora's memories make it. since these memories are in Roxas and Xion, there keyblades take this form also.

Except, Roxas had no memories of Sora when he started using his Keyblade during the beginning of Days.

[mangekyou sasuke]

Originally Posted by Zero Sora

Except, Roxas had no memories of Sora when he started using his Keyblade during the beginning of Days.

Look at Roxas' diaries and look at the bottom screen of your DS. He does actually have memories of sora in him that early.

Originally Posted by Smile

:\ only Nomura said that Roxas's Keyblade was real while Xion's wasn't - only an imitation, not a real Keyblade. And that the reason he was able to duel wield was because Xion woke the other Keyblade up inside him, he didn't really take hers. Most likely - Ven relations.



Then explain human shaped Nobodies. They lack Hearts, yet have the Memories. And going by how when Sora had the Memories, Roxas didn't, and when Roxas and Xion did, Sora didn't, the Memories seem to be only in one place. So it's hard to even say the Heart stores it while the Nobody has access, as that doesn't seem to be the case.



Yes and no. Memories are what gives the Heart its shape. Hence why without them, Repliku collapsed, Marluxia was contemplating Sora becoming a lifeless puppet if Namine was to tear his Memories apart, Xion and Roxas were puppets until they gained Memories of their own. However, the Heart is still the Heart even without the Memories, and it is what truly holds the Keyblade - hence why Xion only had an imitation of a Keyblade - she only had the Memory of a Keyblade.



This is where your theory really burns since the Oathkeeper is Sora's Memories of Kairi, while the Oblivion is Sora's Memories of Riku. Confirmed, undeniable truth in the KH verse. Roxas Duel Wielding them shows he has all of Sora's Memories inside him.



The Keyblades Roxas Duel Wielded were both real - the part of the Keyblade he received from Sora at birth, as well as whatever Xion woke up in him when he absorbed her.



She absorbed Roxas's powers simply by being next to him. It was rather a lucky shot that she absorbed power over the Keyblade when she needed to, rather than because she touched it. Remember? The Keyblade teleported into her hand, meaning, she had the power before she really touched it.

I like the way you layed that out and that makes perfect sense. I should've seen that from the beginning but then again, how would people learn if they didn't make mistakes XD

The thing is, that you assume that the Oathkeeper; Kairi, Riku; Oblivion theory is completely right just because that's what everyone assumes. it could be right but then again it isn't as if we know the real nature of keyblades yet.

I'll probably comment more on what you've said seperately at another time once i've thought a bit.

[Smile]

What are we supposed to see there? o.O

[mangekyou sasuke]

Originally Posted by Smile

What are we supposed to see there? o.O

Remeber when you see roxas doing simular things as sora had done on the different worlds? well they show sora on the bottom screen as roxas does it on the top screen. sometimes when your playing aswell, sora on the bottom screen copies your movements. in roxas' diary we realise that these are some fuzzy memories he keeps getting during missions.

[Smile]

During missions, yes, but not from the very moment he was born, which is what Zero Sora was talking about. Memories explain the Keyblade in Xion's case, but Roxas had none of those to speak of to base the Keyblade on right when he was born - a time in which he already had the Keyblade.

And now, to reply to your earlier post.

Originally Posted by mangekyou sasuke

The thing is, that you assume that the Oathkeeper; Kairi, Riku; Oblivion theory is completely right just because that's what everyone assumes. it could be right but then again it isn't as if we know the real nature of keyblades yet.

No, Nomura confirmed in interviews that's what the Oathkeeper and Oblivion are - Sora's Memories of Kairi and Riku. In a sense, what Keychains are was already established a long time ago. This was explained ages ago in regards to KH2 to explain the Duel Wielding scene in Deep Dive.

I'll probably comment more on what you've said seperately at another time once i've thought a bit.

Learn to break quotes apart when you do then. It's hard to tell what you replied to in the quote otherwise.