Axel: Post-Days character thoughts

[forget-me-not]

dear god i want to play this game. too bad i have to wait for september. at any rate, i thought you did a very good job on this. even though i didn't know the references you were making through most of it, if everything in 358/2 days happened the way you said it did, then this makes a lot of sense. i've always thought that axel was hit really hard about not having a heart. he's one of my favorite characters and you really did him justice. and his change between the two games makes a lot more sense to me now haha; and his... feelings for roxas do as well. i've got to admit, i began to think that he was completely in love with roxas, but when you put it this way, that roxas was what gave axel the ability to feel anything, it makes sense that he is so attached to him. great job

[fantasy08]

You are definitely getting reped for this twilight. As always you seem to take the words right out of my mouth. Like you It's not so much that he killed Vexen and Zexion that bothers me, I mean Sora pretty much took out the entire org and yet I still like him, no it's the sadistic way he did it that I can't forgive. You hit the nail right on the head with Nomura and co. orgasming all over Axel. Seriously the **** ride needs to stop. I know several people who are Axel's fans and even they are getting tired of seeing his face everywhere while the rest of the members take a permanent backseat. It's truly a shame that the secret reports and the novels give way more character development to the rest of the org. then the games do.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind him getting screen-time. He is Roxas friend so its to be expected, but Nomura could have given the other members especially,Xenmas, Xigbar, Vexen, Zexion, Saix, Marluxia, and Larxene, even half the character development Axel gets and they would have been better characters for it, but no. The only one's that got development were Axel of course, Roxas, and a pointless newbie instead of already established characters. The game should have been called Sob Story and the Mind-numbing Ice-cream eating in 358 Days. Staring Axel, Roxas, and Xion. A little long, but definitely a more accurate title.

Ah, Reno. He's the hottie in your avatar isn't he? I remember him. He's from Cutscene the Movie a.k.a. Advent Children. And as for the Twilight Series *vomits*:eek:

Krexia, I can't believe you're not a writer. You seem to have a true gift for it.
Sure, you with Axel and I with Saix we'll write a character analysis to blow everyone's minds, and then we will rule the fandom! Mwhaaaaa:lol:


I agree Mikeneko. I have never believed that the organization were completely devoid of emotion.There are just to many instances in the games and the novels where they show this to not be true. I to think Xenmas is the problem. Just look at what he said to Roxas when he gave him his new name. Xenmas gives them the party line of nobodies don't feel shit etc. and they believe it because they don't see any alternative to his crap when they have just lost their humanity and are blank and vulnerable. Then afterwards when they start to doubt his bull he toots the party line over and over until the shut-up about it.

[Santuary]

The stuff about him being an asshole is mostly because of how after Xion went insane, he just defeated her in battle an brought him back to Xemnas, who was the one responsible for making her crazy.

[Beastly]

Really, to me Axel was a beast. He caused the deaths of all the traitors in com. And he has a cool fighting style.

[*TwilightNight*]

Originally Posted by fantasy08

You are definitely getting reped for this twilight. As always you seem to take the words right out of my mouth. Like you It's not so much that he killed Vexen and Zexion that bothers me, I mean Sora pretty much took out the entire org and yet I still like him, no it's the sadistic way he did it that I can't forgive. You hit the nail right on the head with Nomura and co. orgasming all over Axel. Seriously the **** ride needs to stop. I know several people who are Axel's fans and even they are getting tired of seeing his face everywhere while the rest of the members take a permanent backseat. It's truly a shame that the secret reports and the novels give way more character development to the rest of the org. then the games do.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind him getting screen-time. He is Roxas friend so its to be expected, but Nomura could have given the other members especially,Xenmas, Xigbar, Vexen, Zexion, Saix, Marluxia, and Larxene, even half the character development Axel gets and they would have been better characters for it, but no. The only one's that got development were Axel of course, Roxas, and a pointless newbie instead of already established characters. The game should have been called Sob Story and the Mind-numbing Ice-cream eating in 358 Days. Staring Axel, Roxas, and Xion. A little long, but definitely a more accurate title.

THANKS :3. It's nice to see I'm not the only one, considering that's what I have felt for awhile. Though, people have agreed, on who I talked to, that they've noticed the Axel orgasm. Sometimes, I feel like Nomura shouldn't have created half of the members if they were to be scrapped so horribly and they couldn't handle it. If you're going to play favorites, then just stick with one or few, and leave it at that, considering those are who matter, apparently. The rest were just probably filler, and nothing more. And I agree with Xion. A newbie, instead of established characters. The whole game was based on her, truthfully. Her development, her cause, her whatever else to make us feel sympathy. Even Nomura admitted in an interview that they changed some scenes, and replaced it with ones that reflect her character. Like it seriously wasn't enough? o.o (oh, and funny thing, he said that she was one of his favorite characters because of how cleverly she was made. No, of course not, Nomura, we didn't notice the obvious. Not at all...>.>) As said, however, it's done. Nothing we could do except live with it. The RAX game of the series.

Ah, Reno. He's the hottie in your avatar isn't he? I remember him. He's from Cutscene the Movie a.k.a. Advent Children. And as for the Twilight Series *vomits*:eek:

Yeah, he's the hottie in my avatar =P. I am able to admit when one pixel is good looking. He's not only from Advent Children though, he's been there for awhile. Like Days, they got a Turk game called Before Crisis, which was for the mobile phone like Coded is. And you know Nomura, minus the character designs, wasn't the only one at the helm considering how everyone got appropriate development and screen time, and we get to know about each Turk in general. On a damn mobile phone.

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I digress, though.

[goldpanner]

Originally Posted by krexia

the underlying concept common to all these metaphors is that when you truly care for or love someone, you entrust them with part of your heart. So, if we speculate that this aspect of heart metaphors also has literal connotations in the KH world, then Roxas literally shares his heart with Axel through their friendship, which is what allows Axel to feel.

This makes a lot of sense to me. Consider it added to my personal fanon.

It might also explain something weird Saix said in Axel--Seven Days; as Axel stared up at Kingdom Hearts emoing about Roxas leaving, Saix asks 'how is your wound?' and Axel has no idea what he meant. I kind of guessed it had something to do with Roxas leaving, and perhaps he means wound from his heart having been ripped away? Literally?

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

Sometimes, I feel like Nomura shouldn't have created half of the members if they were to be scrapped so horribly and they couldn't handle it.

The characters haven't been fleshed out, but I wouldn't say 'scrapped'. I think they've just left fans a lot of freedom and space to play with, that's all. It can be a good thing; I liked fandom's colder, serious Roxas more than the one that was revealed in Days.

[Crimson]

One of the best analyses I have read in a while. Thanks, I enjoyed going through this.
I especially liked the points made of his title. :3 Wonderful job.

[krexia]

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

But, when you notice it, they wouldn't have had a problem with Axel, and his popularity, if they actually placed the same efforts to the other members.

Just to play devil's advocate - why should every Organisation member get equal screen time? Every story has major and minor characters. Does the fact that a bunch of people in this story come from the same secret society really mean they should all be equally important to the plot? There's a valid argument to be made that Axel is more significant than the rest of the Organisation due to his direct connection to Roxas, and therefore Sora.

And I've seen series (*cough*Bleach*cough*) that go horribly wrong by trying to include too many different people. When an author insists on going into detail about the past, motivations and thoughts of every single character things get incredibly boring incredibly quickly.

I do agree that Days put too much emphasis on Roxas and Axel - but the reason I think that was because the pacing was terrible, and because so much of the interesting development was given in diaries rather than cutscenes. Not because I think there's an inherent problem with the idea of some characters being more important than others.

Originally Posted by fantasy08

Like you It's not so much that he killed Vexen and Zexion that bothers me, I mean Sora pretty much took out the entire org and yet I still like him, no it's the sadistic way he did it that I can't forgive.

I still think that those scenes were about power/control rather than sadism. We've seen nothing anywhere else in the series to suggest that Axel enjoys making others suffer. Vexen and Zexion's deaths were both relatively quick; if Axel were truly sadistic he could have done a lot worse than instant incineration.

Originally Posted by fantasy08

Krexia, I can't believe you're not a writer. You seem to have a true gift for it.
Sure, you with Axel and I with Saix we'll write a character analysis to blow everyone's minds, and then we will rule the fandom! Mwhaaaaa:lol:

lol, sounds like a plan. And thanks again. My high school English teachers never seemed to think so, but then they made me read and write about shit like Jane Austen so I don't think I can be blamed for not putting much effort in xD

Originally Posted by goldpanner

It might also explain something weird Saix said in Axel--Seven Days; as Axel stared up at Kingdom Hearts emoing about Roxas leaving, Saix asks 'how is your wound?' and Axel has no idea what he meant. I kind of guessed it had something to do with Roxas leaving, and perhaps he means wound from his heart having been ripped away? Literally?

Ooh, could be. I still need to get myself a copy of that book - not that your translation isn't wonderful, but I'd like to experience it firsthand too!

[jean1000695]

Originally Posted by krexia

Just to play devil's advocate - why should every Organisation member get equal screen time? Every story has major and minor characters. Does the fact that a bunch of people in this story come from the same secret society really mean they should all be equally important to the plot? There's a valid argument to be made that Axel is more significant than the rest of the Organisation due to his direct connection to Roxas, and therefore Sora.

And I've seen series (*cough*Bleach*cough*) that go horribly wrong by trying to include too many different people. When an author insists on going into detail about the past, motivations and thoughts of every single character things get incredibly boring incredibly quickly.

I do agree that Days put too much emphasis on Roxas and Axel - but the reason I think that was because the pacing was terrible, and because so much of the interesting development was given in diaries rather than cutscenes. Not because I think there's an inherent problem with the idea of some characters being more important than others.


I still think that those scenes were about power/control rather than sadism. We've seen nothing anywhere else in the series to suggest that Axel enjoys making others suffer. Vexen and Zexion's deaths were both relatively quick; if Axel were truly sadistic he could have done a lot worse than instant incineration.


lol, sounds like a plan. And thanks again. My high school English teachers never seemed to think so, but then they made me read and write about shit like Jane Austen so I don't think I can be blamed for not putting much effort in xD


Ooh, could be. I still need to get myself a copy of that book - not that your translation isn't wonderful, but I'd like to experience it firsthand too!

Well, about the cutscene part, I think it's because the DS does not have much capacity to put too many cutscenes inside it, so they place the more important points of the plot into cutscenes and the others that are not really worth mentioning or not very important are not. Also think that the other members should have more screen time.

[goldpanner]

Originally Posted by krexia

Every story has major and minor characters. Does the fact that a bunch of people in this story come from the same secret society really mean they should all be equally important to the plot?

I agree with this, too. It's sad that awesome characters like Luxord and Xigbar and Zexion don't get more screentime, but on the other hand, it's not like anything is actually taken away from them. The characters were created, and they are who they are. Anyway, fandom can fill in the gaps ;D

Ooh, could be. I still need to get myself a copy of that book - not that your translation isn't wonderful, but I'd like to experience it firsthand too!

♥ Thank you ^^ I reccomend buying the book!! Chapters two and three are a bit of a disappointment, just recounts of stuff that happened in the Pride Lands and Halloween Town in KHII, but the rest are really good. Kind of sad, but good.

[Light&Darkness]

I have to agree with this 'essay' since I always thought that character's personality can change all the time. Some people might not like it, but it's also very interesting how a character develops through the story. I can understand why people don't like it, but it's like in real life people also change through time. In my opinion, characters with the same personality all the time is boring. I like to to expect the unexpected things a character shows through experience.

[Xorbok]

I just love AXEL ;___; my room is dressed in him. I liked the column, some how some parts I disagree. But I still like it.

[Ventux]

I just thought the way he died was stupid (and pointless). Not the "emotional" part, the fact that he lightheartedly kamikazeed for a group of DUSKS.

[krexia]

Originally Posted by Xorbok

I liked the column, some how some parts I disagree. But I still like it.

Hey, feel free to bring them up - I'm always up for discussing Axel :]

[Ikkin]

Originally Posted by Ventux

I just thought the way he died was stupid (and pointless). Not the "emotional" part, the fact that he lightheartedly kamikazeed for a group of DUSKS.

I think Axel's death tends to be really misunderstood, due to the fact that the circumstances of it aren't spelled out explicitly.

First off, Axel was dying anyway. Take a look at his movements when he's fighting - he's hunched over constantly, keeps having to stop to rest, and generally seems to be in bad shape. He wouldn't have been dragged down by a single Dusk if he was at full strength. (The novels explain this - Axel had tried to save Kairi from Saix, and Saix completely owned him. Axel took off to Betwixt and Between knowing that he wasn't going to survive for long)

Second, Axel quite literally had nothing left. Even Roxas admitted at the end of Days that, after he left the Organization, he had nowhere to go - and Axel had the Organization after his blood rather than a Keyblade. Axel had no friends, no home, and no future.

Finally, Axel didn't kill himself just because he thought he needed to save Sora from a group of enemies that Sora could possibly take on his own - he did it because he wanted to shock Roxas into waking up, so he could see him one last time. And at that, he succeeded.