Take your place

[Jack London]

Originally Posted by Rokazu

JL said something like:

"The good ones have left; only the bad ones are still here."

Thanks for making me sound like a faggot =)

[Rokazu]

o_O How does that make you sound like a faggot?
OHH!! ><"

Well it's true...if you realize most people talking here barely even roleplay anymore =.=

[Rainfire]

For the record, I did actually explain what Chaos was and the Nexus as well.

No one really wants to "lock away" these powers as you so bluntly put it, it's just that they cause quite a bit of confusion and argument. This place isn't about arguing, it's about getting along and having some fun, friendly competition. So, instead of leaving Pandora's Box open, why not close it? It's easier that way. Just because it may limit you from making some God-character doesn't mean you can't come up with something original. Besides that, no one is making you do anything. Just because people don't want to play on that level doesn't mean someone is griping at you for having a powerful character. If someone honestly is then just ignore them.

Honestly, if you need that much room to come up with an original character or some new perspective on something then you've obvious need of help. Personally I can create an interesting character who's original with no powers just as easily as I can create a character like Valyon. In fact, on that note, I never intentionally took "for granted" anyone's dis-knowledge of anything I used. I gave links and several explanations on everything. The fact that you never found them or no one bothered to look or even send me a simple PM to ask me "Lolwhtudoin?" is not my issue nor anyone else's who has faced this problem.

It may not be easier for some people, but the idea is that you learn.

As for putting things into categories, well, as far as Magick goes it makes it easier to understand. These things have been explained in great detail and the resources are just as easy to find for me as they are for you or anyone else for that matter. There are Directories and Sticked Threads that tell you where to go to learn these kinds of things. In fact, in any forum the first thing you should do is go over the sticked or locked threads that are at the top of the page. If you don't, well then that's no one else's problem but your own.

Anyway, that's why I suggested you break fights down into futher categorization. If someone wants to fight with a character who can't do squat besides pull a rabbit out of his ass has to face someone who can move planets, yeah that's a bit unfair. That's why stuff like that is necessary.

Originally Posted by Jack London

"The good ones have left; only the bad ones are still here."

... Ouch.

[Jack London]

>.<

Perhaps I was a little more blunt than I had liked when I said that, whether it be true or not, but there are some here that I truly think have a lot of potential. They're not exactly 'bad' but simply lack experience. ...And then there are those that have the experience, but for some reason still don't ever get better or change, for that matter. I think thats where I made my statement-- and I really...really hate to say it, but those few are somewhat...hopeless. And I'm honestly not one to talk, I think I'm horrible, in terms of PC, but it isn't even this that bothers me. It's really just the lack of members willing to give it a shot, even though they want to. ...I think I should, or somebody, make a battle for newbies to just get the hang of shit, one day.

...

the hell you lookin at Takuya, make a battle.

[Takuya]

Sure... in a few weeks or whenever I feel like doing so. I won't be participating. I have absolutely no experience in the rp battles section. It's very likely that I won't even make one. I'm looking for some examples of the 'great rping' of LoC you guys keep talking about, though. <_< Or any other 'legendary rping'.

The hell you lookin at, Darkest_Hour? Why don't you make a battle?

[Rainfire]

Ah, well that I can agree with completely. I've reached my limit in terms of potential, partially why I rarely battle anymore, let alone do much else. Then again, your limits are what you make them, so I guess I've boxed myself in quite poorly.

Takuya, are you saying that in a mocking manner or are you truly lost? Just wondering.

[Takuya]

No, I just snuck those three sentences(I won't be participating. I have absolutely no experience in the rp battles section. It's very likely that I won't even make one.) in. I really won't.

On topic:

I think the reason people don't rp or rp battle is because -- just thinking out loud -- they fear facing a good rp'er about to destroy their character, then having a really good counter which would be impossible to make 'legal'. If you get what I mean.

[Dr. Freeman]

In regards to the chaos and nexus stuff, I agree partially. The only reason i was able to partially understand that was because I had come in at a very opportune time, and many members took me in to help. And honestly, it's fun (hence why I used Daniel (Time character) so much), I thought it was fun. Originality is cool and all, but I agree with BN's approach that a simple elemental master has the potential to make a battle friggin really fun.

Like my battle recently with Rem, I knew I was going to lose, but hell, it was still fun to delay his almighty character by using the simple, abundant element of water, ya know?

The one thing I wish that the RP battle section had was more of a story between characters. Let's face it, our characters have the stories through this place, but to just be like 'OMG THERE'S A GUY LET'S KILL HIM" doesn't allow for our character's to grow, which is something I've always wanted to have.

Also, back to the chaos thing. The omniverse, while it was cool, is a flawed idea, because it ends up being whoever claimed a word first, got to make all of the properties. It was an individual making everything, and whoever was able to influence others the easiest (LoC), was more or less able to dictate the whole thing. Now, I'm not saying that LoC was an evil tyrant, no. He just had more experience on what other sites called the omniverse, and D&D. Honestly, I think things go out of control on that point when LoC, because everyone saw him as THE god of the RP battle section, was able to one hit post everyone... because no one knew what the hell was goin on. And to be honest, you couldn't really ask him, because he would end up disapearing right after. So he would come to a giant battle, destroy everyone, then leave, so for the longest time, no answers could really come from him.

It also didn't help that every good veteran had a different view of what the omniverse should be.

Edit: reading over this, I realize how all over the place it is. Ah well

[Jack London]

Originally Posted by Time

The one thing I wish that the RP battle section had was more of a story between characters.

I could not agree more.

Originally Posted by Takuya

(I won't be participating. I have absolutely no experience in the rp battles section.

Of course not -.- You haven't had a battle yet. You're not born with experience, it is gained. To not do something new because you haven't the experience kinda defeats the purpose =/ I really wouldn't mind having a practice battle with you, just to get you going. No pressure. A victor won't be decided or anything. I'll tell you what you need to know in terms of basics. If you truly don't want to do it, I mean, I can't force you. I'm just saying, I'll be more than happy to help. Just send me a private message if you want to go through with it and we'll discuss it there in detail.

As for looking through old battles for examples that you mentioned earlier, here are some. These are just my personal favorites.

Loc vs AB (melee)

Loc vs Morphy

Solarized vs Loc

Solarized vs After Thought

[Dr. Freeman]

Hey London, by the way, have you had a previous name?

[Jack London]

You know, I figured this name alone would have made my previous alias obvious...

It's Wolfy, dude....lol

[Dr. Freeman]

Oh, yeah well, I'm not the most intuitive person out there, haha.

[Rainfire]

I would have to disagree with the fact that I simply "disappeared" after every battle. I was still here, no one ever came to me and asked what it was I did or how I did it. Actually, two-to-four people have over the years actually asked me what I was doing and I have explained it to them. I have held "schools" and "Training" sessions on how to do these things (though it is hard to train the imagination) and they never come through because the others participating never finished.

Now I will admit I have disappeared from battles in general but it's always because of a good reason (and I have proof for them as well).

As for the story-link... I do agree with you there. The majority of Valyon's past was built on actual role-playing and not battling. Maybe we should invest more into the ideas of RP/Battle Ideas... Actually Role-Play and then have battles amidst them...

Wait... that gives me a very good idea...

How about we create a kind of Ongoing RP (not like the ones we've had in the past) that can encompass the fights as well? The thing is... how could we go about that? I've been thinking about an idea for an Ongoing RP anyway -- if we could get one together that's easy to understand but fun to play around with...

However I'm getting off topic from this thread's purpose and I have been for a while now. I apologize. If anyone wants to brainstorm, get me on valyon_lightstar on either MSN or Yahoo, or send me a pm via KHI.

EDIT: Lol... I just noticed I'm involved in every one of those battles JL listed... I don't know whether to feel honored or a bit ashamed...

[Rokazu]

I’ll try to organize my thoughts here. So many responses in only a few hours ><”

For the record, I did actually explain what Chaos was and the Nexus as well.

Like I have said, “correct me if I am wrong.” And apparently I was. However, I must also say that what I’ve come to find regarding this is that: Chaos is something that leaks through all planes; Nexus is where all planes meet. Now, Rainfire, if you have indeed posted more of an explanation regarding that please show me the link, for that is all I have found.

…here are Directories and Sticked Threads that tell you where to go to learn these kinds of things.

There are Directories? Hmm…interesting. I must look into that now that you told me.

No one really wants to "lock away" these powers as you so bluntly put it, it's just that they cause quite a bit of confusion and argument. This place isn't about arguing, it's about getting along and having some fun, friendly competition. So, instead of leaving Pandora's Box open, why not close it?

Now that is quite hypocritical if you say the “Pandora’s Box” is the godly power metaphorically. Although no one seeks to “illegalize” (is this what you’re trying to say that people aren’t trying to do?) which, correct me again if I am wrong, when everybody is tying themselves with “normal” magic, who would fight against the “godly” ones? Official or not doing so would automatically isolate the higher powers.

Honestly, if you need that much room to come up with an original character or some new perspective on something then you've obvious need of help. Personally I can create an interesting character who's original with no powers just as easily as I can create a character like Valyon.

Room as in the character’s strength? You’re probably right on that; I’ve tried a few times to create weaker and weaker characters yet when I try something original it turns out powerful. What you’re trying to say is that this is a weakness, I see. But I disagree. Forgive me for being a nerd that I am, making a power for my character is like looking for a new field of mathematics this time of days. Simple stuff is taken; simple stuff is discovered and used before. No matter you original you think your idea is, it’s most likely been used before. So what do I do when I look to develop a “new” math? I go complicated; sure others can create their own version of operations, but I see that as just a complex one with a different symbol. Then as a result, I go large; I look for impossibly complicated mathematics and try to learn them. Same thing with power; I find small-scale things pre-used over and over and over again; in one way or another there’s a NAME for it. And that’s exactly what I DON’T want with my character. But this is irrelevant to the point; what I’m trying to say is that I don’t believe thinking on the basis that a character should be “stronger” doesn’t make me less capable. And don’t get me wrong that I disregard other aspects of a character. But trust me, no matter how “interesting” or “original” you think your creations are…chances are, they’ve been used before somewhere, one way or another – even Valyon himself. However, unless you wish to continue, let’s just drop this.

As for putting things into categories, well, as far as Magick goes it makes it easier to understand. These things have been explained in great detail and the resources are just as easy to find for me as they are for you or anyone else for that matter.

Indeed it would be, if it IS as easy as you think it is. I never even knew we had a directory until now, but that’s just my problem; and if you say that “people have explained and clarified this before,” 54 pages…That seems a tad bit too much for me to look within. Then eventually I just…let it go. Classification of magic is good indeed, but it makes making template…boring. Would you rather read an ability section that says “He can control arcane; he can summon” or would you rather read one that says something like … “This ability is known as the successful mastery of alchemy which many civilizations have attempted doing, allowing [the character] to accurately change the nature of an atom by injecting protons and neutrons into an existing one, creating different matters that it needs to use or breaking down atoms for emergency energy consumption or its own reconstruction?”

Well, if you dislike reading, of course the first one would be better. But then, why’re you role-playing if you dislike reading? And then there’s another issue – which one is more universally clarified to readers on the spot? And naming the magic and say “my dude can do that lol” is not as convincing. It’s like saying in a biography “he went through all that Harry Potter crap” is not as good as “he was born to parents who was part of the Order of the Phoenix, a resistance against the wizard who claims the name Lord Voldemort….” However, I DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE the classification of magic. Only, make that dictionary more easily accessible when people are viewing the section.

Anyway, that's why I suggested you break fights down into futher categorization. If someone wants to fight with a character who can't do squat besides pull a rabbit out of his ass has to face someone who can move planets, yeah that's a bit unfair. That's why stuff like that is necessary.

Like my battle recently with Rem, I knew I was going to lose, but hell, it was still fun to delay his almighty character by using the simple, abundant element of water, ya know?

Amen. Although…I don’t think anyone would really accept that sort of battle unless they decide that how long they last is more important than a win or lose. I mean…that’s why templates exist right? xD

The one thing I wish that the RP battle section had was more of a story between characters. Let's face it, our characters have the stories through this place, but to just be like 'OMG THERE'S A GUY LET'S KILL HIM" doesn't allow for our character's to grow, which is something I've always wanted to have.

Well that’s not so hard to do. Someone just needs to create a storyline in the beginning, right? I’ve just begun posting a “story” for Arokan (one of my characters) that has battles in it. I guess we can go along with a story of that sort; and what we need to do is that members need to actually interact their characters with each other so that their biography ACTUALLY MATTERS in a battle! Make a long term thing, say let a certain story line last 1 or 2 years and people would have to fight; every few months people fight battles and the side that wins the majority number of battles would win, and depending on that we decide how the bigger storyline proceeds. Now of course, we are temporarily wiping out the possibility of more than 2 sides…And more importantly, we should get someone to…well…make a world of some sort, one that is more materialistic and real. The Omniverse can still exist, but it’s really too vague. We need to first create a world that has planets and nations and countries and towns…But then in the end, we need people to be active ><” I’ll try to expand on this idea if you guys like this; tell me if you do okay? :D

[Jack London]

Originally Posted by Rokazu

There are Directories? Hmm…interesting. I must look into that now that you told me.

I'm pretty sure I've sent them to you when you were first starting out.