Take your place

[Blackest Night]

I do not really feel the need to make a rule requiring an OOC thread for everything. In my opinion, that is something that should be created only if the RP maker desires it. The RP section could quickly become loaded with OOC threads, as the creation of such a topic would be a necessity. Imagine the Canon RP section doubled, placed alongside a doubled Original RP section, as well as a doubled Challenge section.

That's quite a few threads. The option of an OOC thread is always there. However, it shall remain an option.

[Sir Meta Knight]

Originally Posted by Ankoku

Shall we have a PC character tournament except one where our characters have little or no control in their respective powers?

I mean, for example, the Sins. Greed has COMPLETE control over metal. Why not have a series of battles where our characters DON'T have complete control. I hate to take this as another example, but it always annoyed me when the new Power Rangers get their power, they know how everything works, has a black belt and knows how to work complex giant machines. So why do our characters know everything possible with their powers?

How would it work? We'd have to use dice/RNGs to determine if powers went out of control. And I, for one, do not want KHI to become another bland RPG or a ripoff of the Inferno. D:

[Ragione]

Who in the what now?

Yes, the blame game has been too long.

[Endless Devoid]

I will personally telepathically rape each person here who supports this idea, has shared their hurrahs and supported the cause, and plans to do all this stuff, then in the end does NOTHING.

He said rise to the occasion, not say you're going to. Be frank, not wishful and grandiose.

[Azanulbizare]

Originally Posted by Endless Devoid

I will personally telepathically rape each person here who supports this idea, has shared their hurrahs and supported the cause, and plans to do all this stuff, then in the end does NOTHING.

He said rise to the occasion, not say you're going to. Be frank, not wishful and grandiose.

Be Frank? Who in the hell is Frank? He sounds like a fat retard.

I can't recall if I supported the cause; nor can I recall the cause. I could click on the little number 1 at the top of the page, but I could also go to the library and study for no apparent reason.

Choices.

[Endless Devoid]

Haha. Funnehgaiderelol.
But seriously. :O

It's just kind of annoying to see the number of people vehemently campaigning for a more productive section, and seeing them all talk.

But yea, wrong place to say this, role playing isn't everything. If you try to make it everything, you'll grow to hate it.

[.:Raz:.]

I think the reason some people don't do it is because, well, they're intimidated. Or atleast I am.

o.o

[Dr. Freeman]

You shouldn't be. Honestly, only a couple of members here are assholes, and most either got banned, or left.

[Rainfire]

This thread still exists?

Wow.

But yeah, I totally agree with Time. If you're new... most if not all of the people around here nowadays won't pick on you or bash you for it.

[Laughing Stock]

I think he’s talking about the energy some of the more extraneous RP-ers would put into their posts as opposed to being slapped about the place with the clumsy blade of internet wit.

After all, what could be more traumatizing for a new-born RP-er than seeing Vaylon transform into his 54th form of ultra-god and go to town on everything in a single and particularly lengthly post, or watching the Dreamer blow the **** out of everything with over 3000 words? Yes, yes, very outdated instances, I know, but I happen to be an instance of something outdated, so the analogy works as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: ...anyway, how can something that isn't required reading spend so long it the sticky section without an update? o.O

[Rainfire]

I guess I see your point. From a different perspective I know how those kinds of things can be intimidating. After all, I was as well a newb at one point in time... be it a long, long time ago. Also... Valyon only had 7 Forms. >.>

I think the reason it's still here is that it does serve a purpose in the fact that if anyone wishes to suggest something this would probably be the better place.

[Laughing Stock]

I was exaggerating for comic effect and to amuse myself. Apparently it failed on one count, but whatever.

There is very little that can be suggested, though, because no matter what newbies are going to feel intimidated by the veterans, whether they're a pack of holier-than-thou S.O.B's or are just plain good at what they do. It's unavoidable... unless a newbie happens to be God's gift to the literary world (or he/she is arrogant enough to remain unfazed. Whichever).

[Rainfire]

I know you were, but I wanted to ruin it with annoying literalism :D

[Laughing Stock]

... *feels a bit of a prat* >.>

[Rokazu]

I actually read this whole thing. LOL Anyway, on with my babbling. And then I was talking to Jack London about BN's view, which seems to have been lost by now in the discussion. JL said something like:

"The good ones have left; only the bad ones are still here."

Aren't we forgetting someone? We seem to be looking a little bit too extreme here; everybody is either a very good one or a very bad one. What about the decent ones who're still active here (although still not so much). I'm actually defending the side where people could make characters as powerful as they want; here my reason why:

The first time I introduced Axiala, people started complaining: LOL IT'S TOO POWERFUL. Same with Kiramus, and Project Valhus just got ignored outright. Now my new character Ivana has an open thread left in which no one wishes to participate which I know to be definitely way over your ideals of a "good" character because all of you long time pros want to water down all of your super powers to what I like to say shooting fireballs. And then, whether it is straightforwardly isolated or silently discouraged, people like me, who’s still active, loses opportunity to fight.

What makes our roleplay-battle section different from the canon section is originality; but if we now tie our hands behind our backs so the best we can do acceptably is creating volcano, we lose space of that so-called “originality,” which brings me to my second point. The reason my characters are like crazy powerful is because I try to think of something…original. I know, you say that original doesn’t mean they have to be reality-molding, but not everybody (myself being one talking example) is able to make something original that’s also mild powered. Also, by limiting imagination we will thus only be able to do what already exists.

In the end, wouldn’t these powers just be categorized down to “lol elemental,” or “lol arcane,” or “lol divination,” or other fields of magic? Then what’s the point of describing? People might as well proceed to say “lol summoning magic” or “lol my dude can use arcane magic.” That takes away the fun. People should not only be enjoying their roleplays, but also on building their characters. Then you have another problem as new people coming into the forum and looking at templates, asking themselves “WTF is Arcane?” Then people who originally wanted to join would lose to that anxiety of lack of knowledge.

For many times when Valyon was still not yet retired I wanted to fight with him on many occasions but many, in fact most, of the character’s aspects I didn’t understand at all. For instance, what is the Nexus? Then you have another question – what is chaos? For LoC, this wasn’t a problem as he understands this and takes people’s understanding of these aspects of the character for granted. Hell I didn’t even know Valyon had 7 forms! True I joined the forum relatively recently, but there’s no template of Valyon that can tell me exactly what he can do except this one line that seems to include all of Valyon’s capabilities: “he is manifest of magic and thus able to manipulate all aspects of it.”

Have anyone thought of what “chaos” is when we saw Valyon as a god? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears to me that LoC has never sufficiently explained to us exactly what chaos is, which is why we couldn’t use it. Where did chaos come into play with “magic?” But indeed, for the character’s creator this all makes sense because, well, you are the creator! Yet newcomers would come in and ask “WTH do you imply by magic?” Same thing would happen if we limit our powers, which eventually (at least for me) categorizes everything down to the basic fields of magic which I still have no idea what they are. Meanwhile, everybody who’s been here for a decent time take “arcane” or “divination” as an explanation because you know what it is. People is anxious against things that they are presented to without clarifications; and when you’re a newcomer and the new thing you’re giving a try on is making you anxious, I don’t think you would very much like to stay and try and “rise to the occasion” of being the “new good ones” as BN has once put it.

No, I do not believe that we should limit our characters. Classify them, sure. Sort different characters into different classes so that a certain a certain class could only fight against a certain class. Don’t make them come in with a weak character and “level up according to experience” because that would only widen the gap between the “newbs,” the “decents,” and the “pros.” I mean, how long exactly do you suggest someone would need to create an Alkimos or a Valyon? When you’ve been here for so long, 6 years (just taking it as an example, which I know are probably not accurate) don’t seem long to you because they have passed. But if you force the newbs to follow that 6 years just to make a character as powerful as you, meanwhile you can still be “powering up” your character, how can they ever hope to surpass? And now what if they come to realize that their character isn’t exactly what they like?

Not everyone can create his or her very favorite on the first try. And when that happens they would be forced to make a new one and restart to “experiencing” journey, putting themselves further away from you guys, who have already found a favorite. Conclusively, you can either stay where you are, distant from the “pros” and making them unreachable as it is, or furthering your distance. Meanwhile, there’s still that anxiety they these pros would come in and squash the living crap out of your “newb” character. When there’s no hope, there’s no point in staying.

Now assuming there are people willing to “rise to the occasion,” wouldn’t they need to secure their status with some sort of rather powerful character? Then all of you veteran pros decide to water down and lock away the old powers, leaving the new “powerful” one look like one cheap motherf*cker squeezing everyone by ignoring the “common standards.” Who is willing to be that person? They would want to be a new LoC, a good roleplayer as everyone would say, feared maybe, but at least to a certain extent respected, not one that’s taking the place like cheap newb-bastard or a faggot. The old veterans have to wait for the “newer” ones to catch up guys; we can’t just be troubled with ourselves and thinking “why is there no one to take our place?!” You were once all newbs as well. You had that chance to be powerful, don’t take it away from us. You were all newcomer as well, let us introduce our own ideas to the forum without you guys calling us a radical or a newbf*ck.

Yeah…too much talking crap right? I was bored xD But seriously that’s what I think. Sorry if this bothered you; I appreciate it if you actually took your time reading this :D