Your Views on Atheism

[gottaluvkh1992]

Originally Posted by Fall of Troy

So you believe that a religion that shuts out possibility is a good one?

Tell me this - do you think anything is possible?

I do not believe anything is possible especially what we are told in religion, rebirth, reincarnation, after life, you cannot live after life because you have no life. So your answer is no.

And i do not shut out possibility give me 100% proof God exists and i shall believe in him.

[Abbazaba]

Originally Posted by gottaluvkh1992

I do not believe anything is possible especially what we are told in religion, rebirth, reincarnation, after life, you cannot live after life because you have no life. So your answer is no.

And i do not shut out possibility give me 100% proof God exists and i shall believe in him.

You just contradicted yourself. You said that you don't believe anything is possible, yet, you say that you don't shut out possibilities.

If you messed up when typing that, disregard the following :

I'm not saying God exists, I'm saying that there is a possibility. Without proving something 100%, I mean completely 100% proved right or wrong ( which is basically impossible ), there IS possibility, is there not? If you say no, then you're stupid. Just because you think that a supreme entity doesn't exist doesn't mean there isn't a possibility of there being one...

Take some time to read that, because I'm sure you're going to come back with the same mindset and say "no there is no possibility, it's a stupid idea." So, I'll leave you with this to close this post - If something isn't 100% proven wrong, a possibility remains. As I said before, it's basically impossible to prove something wrong 100%. Thus, everything and anything is a possibility.

~ FoT

[.:Roxas:.]

Originally Posted by Fall of Troy

You just contradicted yourself. You said that you don't believe anything is possible, yet, you say that you don't shut out possibilities.

If you messed up when typing that, disregard the following :

I'm not saying God exists, I'm saying that there is a possibility. Without proving something 100%, I mean completely 100% proved right or wrong ( which is basically impossible ), there IS possibility, is there not? If you say no, then you're stupid. Just because you think that a supreme entity doesn't exist doesn't mean there isn't a possibility of there being one...

Take some time to read that, because I'm sure you're going to come back with the same mindset and say "no there is no possibility, it's a stupid idea." So, I'll leave you with this to close this post - If something isn't 100% proven wrong, a possibility remains. As I said before, it's basically impossible to prove something wrong 100%. Thus, everything and anything is a possibility.

~ FoT

Quoted for truth

(this sentence is to appease the 25 character limit)

[Phoenix]

I'm not saying God exists, I'm saying that there is a possibility. Without proving something 100%, I mean completely 100% proved right or wrong ( which is basically impossible ), there IS possibility, is there not? If you say no, then you're stupid. Just because you think that a supreme entity doesn't exist doesn't mean there isn't a possibility of there being one...

Before you go further into this, you say God has a possibility. Well, you can't just draw possibilities out of thin air. If you say God has a possibility of existing, then you must have something to back it up, no? You must have some sort of proof to give him the title of "possible".

I'm not saying he exists or not, I'm saying that, taking all current laws of science into consideration, he has no possibility of existing.

[Tobuoi]

I have a question concerning the definition of atheism...according to several sources, it is simply the disbelief in any god or deity. However, when I speak with any particular atheist, they parade the whole "we live, we die, we rot in the ground" attitude. But...according to these sources' definitions, atheism has nothing to do with dis/believing in creation, life after death, or any of that nonsense. If this is the case, "atheism" is essentially a slightly more defined agnosticism, correct? Perhaps I've just been misinformed, but I am curious and would appreciate any sort of clarifying.

I'm agnostic, for the record.

[Abbazaba]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Before you go further into this, you say God has a possibility. Well, you can't just draw possibilities out of thin air. If you say God has a possibility of existing, then you must have something to back it up, no? You must have some sort of proof to give him the title of "possible".

I'm not saying he exists or not, I'm saying that, taking all current laws of science into consideration, he has no possibility of existing.

Not really. I don't have proof of God's existence at all. I'm saying that a higher entity hasn't been completely disproved, and it can't be. Because even after the proof is found, depending on what it is, you can always say "what if he altered reality and provided that proof" for whatever reason. There's always those ifs, ands, and buts that create possibility.

I almost went on in a long list of dumb examples that would have made me seem like some lunatic. haha. I'll just say, maybe the laws of science aren't real. Maybe it's all fake; an image casted by a higher entity. You can't disprove that... so that leaves the possibility of it being true. Yes, it sounds stupid, and I don't believe that the laws of science aren't real, I'm just saying.. possibility.

[gottaluvkh1992]

Originally Posted by Tobuoi

I have a question concerning the definition of atheism...according to several sources, it is simply the disbelief in any god or deity. However, when I speak with any particular atheist, they parade the whole "we live, we die, we rot in the ground" attitude. But...according to these sources' definitions, atheism has nothing to do with dis/believing in creation, life after death, or any of that nonsense. If this is the case, "atheism" is essentially a slightly more defined agnosticism, correct? Perhaps I've just been misinformed, but I am curious and would appreciate any sort of clarifying.

I'm agnostic, for the record.

well im what you might call a pure atheist i do not believe in any thing involving life after death im sorry but you live, you die and you do rot in the ground im sorry but its the truth. I also believe that if there is some ALMIGHTY being why dont he show himself once in a while so we know he is there, instead just sit on his butt and say go to heaven go to hell.

There are many types of athism a friend of mine is athist but believes that when you die you become an angel and watch over your family. I do not try to change his view because someitmes things like that are reasuring.

[chaywa]

Originally Posted by gottaluvkh1992

well im what you might call a pure atheist i do not believe in any thing involving life after death im sorry but you live, you die and you do rot in the ground im sorry but its the truth. I also believe that if there is some ALMIGHTY being why dont he show himself once in a while so we know he is there, instead just sit on his butt and say go to heaven go to hell.

Although i am an atheist, who believes in the laws of physics, surely under such minimal circumstances and possibilities that said deity is alive, it is possible that he could be operating in a parallel universe, or at least outside the realms of current human knowledge regarding the solar system as a whole. Therefore, it could be possible that the planet we have colonized as earth could be nothing more than an afterthought as he is busy doing his own work elsewhere.

[Phoenix]

Not really. I don't have proof of God's existence at all. I'm saying that a higher entity hasn't been completely disproved, and it can't be.

Therefore, there is no reason for the idea to be taken anymore seriously than the idea of vampires, the Loch Ness monster or Santa Claus.

Because even after the proof is found, depending on what it is, you can always say "what if he altered reality and provided that proof" for whatever reason. There's always those ifs, ands, and buts that create possibility.

No, they do not create real possbility. Possibility is what it's possible, and according to our knowledge, God is impossible. Perhaps, later, we may find some laws that allow him to exist, but with 21th Century knowledge, God has no real "possibility" of existing.

I almost went on in a long list of dumb examples that would have made me seem like some lunatic. haha. I'll just say, maybe the laws of science aren't real. Maybe it's all fake; an image casted by a higher entity. You can't disprove that... so that leaves the possibility of it being true. Yes, it sounds stupid, and I don't believe that the laws of science aren't real, I'm just saying.. possibility.

You are confused as to what "possibility" is.

"Possibility comprises that which can happen, such as what one can achieve. The Latin origins of the word hint at ability. Possibility is also referring to something that "could happen", that is not precluded by the facts, but usually not probable."

Facts must be able to allow it in order for it to be a possibility. If facts do now allow it, it cannot be a possibility, even if you can think of hypothetical situations for it.

[.:Roxas:.]

Re-opened for you guys to argue your hearts out, i guess i find that quite fun to watch lol

so yea...continue discussing...

[Abbazaba]

Possibility

3. a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena;

From dictionary.com. I don't think the word is limited to, "possible within our knowledge only."

[gottaluvkh1992]

I believe what has been proven, i use logic to decide whether something is true or not. I dont relie on false hope.

[Raticus]

Even logic has it's ends.

[gottaluvkh1992]

yeas it does, but logically and scienctifically you cannot live after death, and God cannot exist. There is also no proof of alternate universes.

[Raticus]

Illogical things may exist. It's just that we try to use logic to define them, based on the level of our technology and perception.

What was lightning several millenia past, but a warning sign from the gods? Now that we have the ability to see what it really is, we can file it's logical explanation away and assume it truth from thereafter.

I'm not trying to prove or disprove a God or gods, but illogically, there is a capacity for one to exist.

Muddled? ;D