A Real Debate

[Blahmaster]

I think that religion in its entirety has does done more bad to the world, because throughout history there has been persecution, war, and other conflict all because of religion, like the Salem Witch Burnings, and the Holocaust. If religion was not around, there would certainly be less conflict. Now, I understand that long ago religion may have unified people together, but in this day and age that is no longer needed to such an extent.

Debate away. This is a yes or no question, so be firm with your answer.

And this was originally for the Debate Section, but now it's changed into the Versus section, so ignore the title "A Real Debate", because there are plenty of good debates in the religious section.

[violent_anger]

haha, you blame those on religion? people fear the different, and the holocaust happened because a lot of jews pissed hitler off.

[Phoenix]

Hitler justified it partly with religion, as most massacres are.

[Shadukai X]

Originally Posted by Blahmaster

If religion was not around, there would certainly be less conflict.

It's given that there'll always be conflict, with or without religion.

Plus, I don't see the Baptists and Mormons at conflict either.

[Phoenix]

Perhaps, but he's asking of religion was overall done more bad than good.

[violent_anger]

Hitler justified it partly with religion, as most massacres are.

but religion didn't cause it, it was just a means that hitler used to get on their good side.

[Phoenix]

I never said it did. But Hitler was able to go as far as he did partly because of it.

[khluva010]

i think one good thing religon has done is help some people beleive in times when it was hard for them. When they felt like the world isn't listening to them and the only one they can turn is there the person that they beleive as the mighty creator(s). you can look at it from that side too.

[Phoenix]

But is it worth all the crusades and inquisitions?

[blinkboy211]

Wars come and go but each War isnt just based on religion. There were and still are tons of wars done in favor of religion. But religion is a choice of man and wars are also a choice of man. People have done it in the name of religion mainly to satify the interest to kill. Everyone has that side that they need to do something dangerous or evil to make themself better. So religion is mainly used as a base for people to acknowledge that its right to kill someone of not their same beliefs

[Duality]

Religion did not cause wars. Guns did not cause wars. Oil did not cause wars.

People cause wars. End of story. Religion has done nothing. People have used it, just as they have used guns, and other excuses to wage war. The Crusades are not a good example of religion. If you want to judge a religion, look at its prophet/important person, and read its text. Otherwise, do not ignorantly judge religions - judge people for who they are, not the religion they follow.

The same can be said of the flip side. People become spiritually sound. They change their lives. Religion helps them in this process. But it is up to them. Not up to the religion.

[blinkboy211]

i just said that pretty much man. Religion is used as a base like i said. People cause wars and then name it in for their religion to make good of their cause

[Duality]

^ Not saying you didn't. Just voicing my opinion =) I'm glad we agree, though.

[Phoenix]

Religion did not cause wars. Guns did not cause wars. Oil did not cause wars.

People cause wars. End of story. Religion has done nothing. People have used it, just as they have used guns, and other excuses to wage war. The Crusades are not a good example of religion. If you want to judge a religion, look at its prophet/important person, and read its text. Otherwise, do not ignorantly judge religions - judge people for who they are, not the religion they follow.

The same can be said of the flip side. People become spiritually sound. They change their lives. Religion helps them in this process. But it is up to them. Not up to the religion.

That's not what he's doing or asking. I assume his question is whether religion's negative effects outweigh the positive, whether it was misused or not.

[Square Ninja]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Hitler justified it partly with religion, as most massacres are.

"One guy is associated with it, therefore religion is to blame for everything." Infallible logic right there.