Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? - Page 5

Dantez of Divinity · 04/02/08, 01:53 AM

Okay Humanity is not perfect, it has never been perfect, and will never be perfect. Its human nature to lie about things, cheat to do better at something, eat a lot to live, laze around, and want to be rich. It’s what keeps you alive. God gave you these things to do just that survive. It’s when things are not used for survival but as a want that turns into a need is when it becomes a sin. Think of it like if you love something and that something replaces God then it’s a sin. Things that you think are wrong are things you shouldn't do. It’s as easy as that. That gut feeling is best thing to go by for choices. Such manipulation where your act benefits the less fortunate is possible but complicated. It all depends on what you have done benefits uncorrupted humanity such as a murderer on the run or if you help a person escape violent prejudice. It’s when it benefits the first one is when it becomes a sin. WWJD and what would my grandma think is all you have to think.
''Would Jesus cheat on this test?''
''Would my grandma approve of me looking at his/her paper?''
''Would Jesus kill this man?''
''Would my grandma think this man deserving the punishment or pointless death?''

That's it.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 01:57 AM

Would Jesus lie to save a few dozen Jews from being tortured, abused and brutally murdered? You're the Christian, you tell me.

Would my grandma? Pretty sure she would.

Dantez of Divinity · 04/02/08, 02:06 AM

If it was God's will yes. Grandma would try to stop any kind of human death that is not justified by a reasonable person. To answer your question I would lie to save the people yes. No one deserves death no matter what their crimes and if the person did nothing or at least nothing known to me then death is not just out of the question but a crime against humanity. I yield to any comments.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 04:08 AM

Then we have no conflict. You'd lie to save people, I'd lie to save people, and both of us would do it a thousand times if need be. My comments were really directed at Axel owns with the nazi thing, and you just kind of appeared out nowhere <.<

follow_the_wind · 04/02/08, 05:04 AM

Well, for the Grandma and WWJD question, Grandma is a human being, likle the rest of us. I personally believe she would lie, or simply not answer. But as for Jesus, he wouldn't have to lie, actually the Bible says he can't lie. He's perfect.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 05:11 AM

How do lying and perfection cancel each other out?

**Dogenzaka** · 04/02/08, 06:38 AM

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Yeah, you know what else we had in the good ole days? Slavery.

Slavery was much different in Biblical times. It was more like bondservants. They were treated much nicer than the negro slaves in America. In fact sometimes after most slaves had paid off their debt they would remain with their master out of love. Hence one reason why Paul referred to himself as a bondservant of Jesus Christ.

Of course the Egyptians were some pretty harsh slave-drivers, but you see God delivered Israel out of there, so obviously He didn't approve.

**pwn3d** · 04/02/08, 08:18 AM

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Slavery was much different in Biblical times. It was more like bondservants. They were treated much nicer than the negro slaves in America. In fact sometimes after most slaves had paid off their debt they would remain with their master out of love. Hence one reason why Paul referred to himself as a bondservant of Jesus Christ.

ROFL PROOF. I don't see any. In any of the books i've read or on any of the history channel shows i've seen.

ALSO:
indentured servitude(which is paying off ones debt by physical work) is not slavery. It's paying off ones debt,with physical work. Its the same as working for a few years to pay off ones mortgage. Just more direct.

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Of course the Egyptians were some pretty harsh slave-drivers, but you see God delivered Israel out of there, so obviously He didn't approve.

After a few thousands years. and after they were freed he made them walk around for 40 years.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 01:21 PM

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Slavery was much different in Biblical times. It was more like bondservants. They were treated much nicer than the negro slaves in America. In fact sometimes after most slaves had paid off their debt they would remain with their master out of love. Hence one reason why Paul referred to himself as a bondservant of Jesus Christ.

Yeah, especially captured virgins. Those were the ones that loved their masters the most, right?

04/02/08, 01:53 AM	#61
Dantez of Divinity Devoted affection Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: On a hill in white waiting for my dearest to arive Posts: 1,840 Rep Power: 3	Re: Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? Okay Humanity is not perfect, it has never been perfect, and will never be perfect. Its human nature to lie about things, cheat to do better at something, eat a lot to live, laze around, and want to be rich. It’s what keeps you alive. God gave you these things to do just that survive. It’s when things are not used for survival but as a want that turns into a need is when it becomes a sin. Think of it like if you love something and that something replaces God then it’s a sin. Things that you think are wrong are things you shouldn't do. It’s as easy as that. That gut feeling is best thing to go by for choices. Such manipulation where your act benefits the less fortunate is possible but complicated. It all depends on what you have done benefits uncorrupted humanity such as a murderer on the run or if you help a person escape violent prejudice. It’s when it benefits the first one is when it becomes a sin. WWJD and what would my grandma think is all you have to think. ''Would Jesus cheat on this test?'' ''Would my grandma approve of me looking at his/her paper?'' ''Would Jesus kill this man?'' ''Would my grandma think this man deserving the punishment or pointless death?'' That's it.

04/02/08, 01:57 AM	#62
Phoenix Blaaargh! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 13,871 Rep Power: 19	Re: Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? Would Jesus lie to save a few dozen Jews from being tortured, abused and brutally murdered? You're the Christian, you tell me. Would my grandma? Pretty sure she would.

04/02/08, 02:06 AM	#63
Dantez of Divinity Devoted affection Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: On a hill in white waiting for my dearest to arive Posts: 1,840 Rep Power: 3	Re: Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? If it was God's will yes. Grandma would try to stop any kind of human death that is not justified by a reasonable person. To answer your question I would lie to save the people yes. No one deserves death no matter what their crimes and if the person did nothing or at least nothing known to me then death is not just out of the question but a crime against humanity. I yield to any comments.

04/02/08, 04:08 AM	#64
Phoenix Blaaargh! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 13,871 Rep Power: 19	Re: Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? Then we have no conflict. You'd lie to save people, I'd lie to save people, and both of us would do it a thousand times if need be. My comments were really directed at Axel owns with the nazi thing, and you just kind of appeared out nowhere <.<

04/02/08, 05:04 AM	#65
follow_the_wind Heartless Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 14 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Re: Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? Well, for the Grandma and WWJD question, Grandma is a human being, likle the rest of us. I personally believe she would lie, or simply not answer. But as for Jesus, he wouldn't have to lie, actually the Bible says he can't lie. He's perfect.

04/02/08, 05:11 AM	#66
Phoenix Blaaargh! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 13,871 Rep Power: 19	Re: Isn't so much harder to be a devout Christian these days? How do lying and perfection cancel each other out?

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