Did God fail mankind, then kill him for failing?

[Cache]

In Genesis chapter 6, God tells Noah to build an ark because:

"When the LORD saw how great was man's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil, he regretted that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was grieved. So the LORD said: "I will wipe out from the earth the men whom I have created, and not only the men, but also the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air, for I am sorry that I made them."
Genesis 6: 5-7

Now bear in mind that God has never created any rules, and for many generations did not even say or do anything to help guide mankind. We know this from the entirety of Chapter 5, which is just about who begat who and how many hundreds of years they lived. The last thing God every says to man before he decides to kill him is to Cain, in Chapter 4: 15 "Not so!" the LORD said to him. "If anyone kills Cain, Cain shall be avenged sevenfold." So the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest anyone should kill him at sight."

That's it. No commandments, not even a 'Be excellent to each other' to go on. So in Chapter 5, all that happens is a general listing of who's who.

Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah

In-between, of course, the bible mentions how long each man lived, and mentions that he had other sons and daughters. The central issue becomes this:

How can God expect man to be a decent human being on his own, without any assistance, guidance, love, or advice on the part of God? Remember that in Chapter 3 God expelled Adam and Even from the Garden of Eden, and offered them no advice as to how to live good lives either.

So God gets angry that man isn't as smart as he is, and decides to kill everyone for it. Does this sound like the actions of a loving and benevolent God, or was it God's fault that he did not do anything positive for man in any capacity for generations?

[Dogenzaka]

In Biblical/Christian belief:

God brought a flood on the earth because the people were evil and sinful. That's why he wanted the future children of the earth to be children of Noah, because he was a godly man. He said that he regretted mankind because of how evil it became, and he found just that he should start anew with Noah. After the flood, he promised he would never do it again. That's just how it's said it happened :p

IMO, man failed God, not the other way around.

without any assistance, guidance, love, or advice on the part of God?

1.) If you followed God, God spoke to you and told you what he wanted done, and if you disobeyed, it was a sin, and if you obeyed, you were rewarded for your faith.
2.) The 10 Commandments.
3.) The Old Testament.

[wu tang goku]

Originally Posted by Cache

Now bear in mind that God has never created any rules, and for many generations did not even say or do anything to help guide mankind. We know this from the entirety of Chapter 5, which is just about who begat who and how many hundreds of years they lived. The last thing God every says to man before he decides to kill him is to Cain, in Chapter 4: 15 "Not so!" the LORD said to him. "If anyone kills Cain, Cain shall be avenged sevenfold." So the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest anyone should kill him at sight."

That's it. No commandments, not even a 'Be excellent to each other' to go on.

You should ask a Jew how many commandments there are by the end of Genesis.

Originally Posted by Cache

So God gets angry that man isn't as smart as he is, and decides to kill everyone for it. Does this sound like the actions of a loving and benevolent God, or was it God's fault that he did not do anything positive for man in any capacity for generations?

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I love when people pick and choose quotes out of the Bible. Tell you what, go read the rest of the Ark story, and pay attention to Chapter 8:15-22.

[Cache]

Originally Posted by Master T

I love when people pick and choose quotes out of the Bible. Tell you what, go read the rest of the Ark story, and pay attention to Chapter 8:15-22.

Irrelevant, as by this time every human being on earth had drowned except for Noah and his family. The point is, before the flood, God made no attempt to give man any rules to live by, so how can man know what God expects when God has intentionally withheld life-saving information?

[Cache]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

1.) If you followed God, God spoke to you and told you what he wanted done, and if you disobeyed, it was a sin, and if you obeyed, you were rewarded for your faith.
2.) The 10 Commandments.
3.) The Old Testament.

The 10 commandments do not come into being until the book of Exodus, so it is irrelevant to the flood story. The 'old testament' is likewise moot since 99% of it occurs after every human being on earth is drowned by God before it is revealed.

Aside from God telling man and woman not to eat of the trees of life or knowledge, what rules did he institute? What guidance did he give? The answer is, God gave mankind nothing to go on, and God killed mankind rather than offer any advice on what was good, what was expected by God.

[Voltron]

When did we kill god? I know we did Jesus but not God

[Einon SAMA]

To this thread's creator. How do you suppose Noah could remain Godly? People in that day knew what they should have been doing and what they shouldn't have been doing, but being humble and godly wasn't all the rave back then. Similar to our day.

[Cache]

Originally Posted by Einon SAMA

To this thread's creator. How do you suppose Noah could remain Godly? People in that day knew what they should have been doing and what they shouldn't have been doing, but being humble and godly wasn't all the rave back then. Similar to our day.

Since the Bible never definitively states what that is, it's a moot point. After all, what point is there the the entire rest of the bible if we already knew all we needed to? It could be that God simply picked the least of all evils and figured he could work with it over the next three millenia and try to fix all the mistakes he made the first time around.

[Voltron]

The Bible never said God died either

[Einon SAMA]

Originally Posted by Cache

Since the Bible never definitively states what that is, it's a moot point. After all, what point is there the the entire rest of the bible if we already knew all we needed to? It could be that God simply picked the least of all evils and figured he could work with it over the next three millenia and try to fix all the mistakes he made the first time around.

States what what is?

So wait, let me get this straight. It's God's fault because there are more bad people than good? He made the mistakes? I ask you, How?

If you say, he didn't give us any rules, then I repeat myslef, why did God favor Noah? Noah and his family were rightous and faithful, what stopped the rest of the world?

[violent_anger]

tree of knowledge????????????

[Garion]

Originally Posted by Cache

Since the Bible never definitively states what that is, it's a moot point. After all, what point is there the the entire rest of the bible if we already knew all we needed to? It could be that God simply picked the least of all evils and figured he could work with it over the next three millenia and try to fix all the mistakes he made the first time around.

:sigh: The fact that the bible doesn't state anything actually does tell you something. So let me set something straight, from the time of Adam to the time of Noah it has been actually been many thousands of years. Now I know that they list how long the people between Adam and Noah lived(at least I think I do I'll have to re-read it again) but that isn't to be taken literally. It is just to show that they lived long lives.

Now, even though it has been so long back then God was pretty much a tangable thing back then. People knew he was there but yet chose not to follow him. It isn't that they didn't know things, its that God sorta still trusted them to do whats right.

So, the people became evil and he washed them away. We failed God by being evil. Sure he could have told them back then but he trusted them to do good and they didn't.

(does this make any sense? I know it seems kinda confusing but just think of it this way. We all made mistakes, God included and so God layed down the rules later so this would never have to happen again.)

[Dogenzaka]

The 10 commandments do not come into being until the book of Exodus, so it is irrelevant to the flood story.

But you simply asked

"How can God expect man to be a decent human being on his own, without any assistance, guidance, love, or advice on the part of God?"

You mentioned nothing about the flood.

When did we kill god? I know we did Jesus but not God

Jesus is considered the incarnation of God. Hello?

The 'old testament' is likewise moot since 99% of it occurs after every human being on earth is drowned by God before it is revealed.

But humans are stupid and obviously don't write things down or remember them?

what rules did he institute?

Had they not eaten from that tree
there would be no need for rules.

What guidance did he give? The answer is, God gave mankind nothing to go on, and God killed mankind rather than offer any advice on what was good, what was expected by God.

See now you're bullshitting, because you ignored my point #1 in my first post.

It could be that God simply picked the least of all evils and figured he could work with it over the next three millenia and try to fix all the mistakes he made the first time around.

Bullshit again.
The Bible says God picked Noah because he actively seeked and followed God and his commands. Took care of his family, did not involve in sexual immorality or drunkeness, and had pure intentions.

[Einon SAMA]

Jesus is considered the incarnation of God. Hello?

Don't you love it when a person who argues the Trinity Doctrine's last words are "You just can't explain the Trinity, its a mystery."?

[violent_anger]

god never revealed anything, yet somehow adam and eve still knew what was right and what was wrong, not counting the tree...