Where do you stand on...

[Eclipse]

....Catholics=Christians.

Some hard-core catholics worship Mary higher than Jesus. Does that make them Christian?

Hundreds of years ago, Catholics forced the word upon others and killed them if they didn't convert. Killing people. Does that sound Christian?

A lot of Catholics believe that if you are sick, it is because you have sinned heavily. Instead of praying for you, they shun you from the church. Does that sound Christian?

The majority of Catholics have never read a Bible in their life, does that sound like something God commanded in the Bible?

Catholics confess their sins to the priest, in order to be forgiven. The Bible says that anyone has access to the Father just through prayer. That you don't need to ask a priest for forgiveness.

Catholics also get baptized when they are a baby. According to the Bible baptism is a sign of public profession of your loyalty and humbleness to God. It's a decision only you can make. Not your parents, not your friends, you. But you don't need to be baptized to be saved. The Bible clearly states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus' forgiveness and sacrifice. When you're a baby do you think you can make much decision making? No. So all in all it doesn't really count.

The majority of Catholics think they are saved just because their family is Catholic, but they haven't accepted Jesus into their heart. By that standard, Catholics are NOT

CHRISTIAN.

Thank you.

I'm Catholic and it isn't the same thing as Christianity.

^^ Proof. I used to be Catholic as well.

Give me a break. Back in the Middle Ages, there were more of these signs than right now. The Black Plague, the Inquisition, the Crusades, famine, war, death, sickness. Hell, they even had the little Ice Age. Did the world end? No.

But we are at a level of technology we have never been at before. The Bible in Revelations states that the whole world will be able to gaze upon the dead bodies killed by the beast for 3 days. No other time in history could the whole world view such a small site, until now. Now we have the news, and television, and this could easily hit worldwide. Plus Israel became a country again. I think it might come soon, not sure when though. And this is my opinion, of course.

The Bird Flu = owch.....wipe out the world. lol.

*no cure
*no treatment
*no stopping it, we have airplanes ya know >.>

[Phoenix]

Some hard-core catholics worship Mary higher than Jesus. Does that make them Christian?

Oh yes. As long as they think Christ is their Savior.

Hundreds of years ago, Catholics forced the word upon others and killed them if they didn't convert. Killing people. Does that sound Christian?

It's the only reason your christian.

A lot of Catholics believe that if you are sick, it is because you have sinned heavily. Instead of praying for you, they shun you from the church. Does that sound Christian?

Is this the stance of the Vatican?

The majority of Catholics have never read a Bible in their life, does that sound like something God commanded in the Bible?

I was Catholic, and I read the whole Bible. Again, are we going to bother with every single extremist?

Catholics confess their sins to the priest, in order to be forgiven. The Bible says that anyone has access to the Father just through prayer. That you don't need to ask a priest for forgiveness.

The Bible says many things. You say they're not christians because they confess throuhg a priest, I say you're not christian because you don't obey the kosher laws. Perspective, perspective.

Catholics also get baptized when they are a baby. According to the Bible baptism is a sign of public profession of your loyalty and humbleness to God. It's a decision only you can make. Not your parents, not your friends, you. But you don't need to be baptized to be saved. The Bible clearly states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus' forgiveness and sacrifice. When you're a baby do you think you can make much decision making? No. So all in all it doesn't really count.

Hah, as opposed to what? Being brainwashed into believing in God for years? A baby has as much of a choice as you did.

The majority of Catholics think they are saved just because their family is Catholic, but they haven't accepted Jesus into their heart.

I hope this BS has proof.

By that standard, Catholics are NOT

CHRISTIAN.

So you mention some rumors about some extremists and think you're right? Think again.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

But we are at a level of technology we have never been at before. The Bible in Revelations states that the whole world will be able to gaze upon the dead bodies killed by the beast for 3 days. No other time in history could the whole world view such a small site, until now.

Hahaha, give me a break. If we're going to go by this, then we have a long way to go, since big parts of the world still aren't civilized. Try Africa, parts of Asia, Eskimos, the Amazon. You'd need a few more centuries for this, *if* it happens. Super sorry.

Plus Israel became a country again. I think it might come soon, not sure when though. And this is my opinion, of course.

People have been whining about it since the Middle Ages. As for Israel, with how the Middle East is, it's only a matter of time before a well-placed bomb takes it out.

The Bird Flu = owch.....wipe out the world. lol.

*no cure
*no treatment
*no stopping it, we have airplanes ya know >.>

Black Plague > Bird Flu.

You think a disease can wipe out the world? Don't make me laugh, some people develop immunities. How do you think 1/3rd of Europe survived the Black Plague?

[LordMune]

Originally Posted by Twisting Nether

Hmmm well I didn't know that xD

hahahahaha what

Some hard-core catholics worship Mary higher than Jesus.

This is a common misconception, but a misconception nonetheless.

[pwn3d]

Hundreds of years ago, Catholics forced the word upon others and killed them if they didn't convert. Killing people. Does that sound Christian?

Okay Protestant killed Catholics for no other reason then they were catholics, people will do this no matter what time/religion/sect.

Instead of praying for you, they shun you from the church. Does that sound Christian?

Because back then if you got sick, it generally meant that there was an infectious diese that could possible kill then entire church. Huh, sounds kinda logical if you put it in that sense.

[Savior of Dawn]

Instead of praying for you, they shun you from the church. Does that sound Christian?

Well, yes, actually, but that's just my opinion. It was once believed that if you got sick, you were being punished for sinning by god. It was also once believed that if you bathed you'd eventually disintegrate, so I wouldn't take advantage of past beliefs.

Hundreds of years ago, Catholics forced the word upon others and killed them if they didn't convert. Killing people. Does that sound Christian?

Well, yes, actually, but that's just my opinion. Almost every religion has had violence in its past.

Some hard-core catholics worship Mary higher than Jesus. Does that make them Christian?

First of all, SOME HARD-CORE. Second of all, don't Christians worship Jesus? Since they both worship Jesus, aren't they into the same fundamental beliefs?

The majority of Catholics have never read a Bible in their life, does that sound like something God commanded in the Bible?

I'm wondering how Catholics worship god without his book.

Catholics also get baptized when they are a baby. According to the Bible baptism is a sign of public profession of your loyalty and humbleness to God. It's a decision only you can make. Not your parents, not your friends, you. But you don't need to be baptized to be saved. The Bible clearly states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus' forgiveness and sacrifice. When you're a baby do you think you can make much decision making? No. So all in all it doesn't really count.

You think a child raised in a Catholic home won't end up being Catholic anyways? Yes, i'm sure that child will somehow learn all of those things that the parents make sure the child will never learn. Being born into a house with such beliefs guarantees your religion until you're at least 18, by which you're already dedicated.

The Bird Flu = owch.....wipe out the world. lol.

*no cure
*no treatment
*no stopping it, we have airplanes ya know >.>

Actually, there are tons of treatments being developed. Every once in a while they get a step closer to a treatment/cure.

Black Plague, FTW. D :

[Eclipse]

Oh yes. As long as they think Christ is their Savior.

wrong. you must live a Christian life. Live for God. God says don't put any other gods before him. Don't worship anything in front of him.

I hope this BS has proof.

I've been to 1000x more places around the world than you have, and I've seen catholics from everywhere. Especially my friends who think they are saved just cuz "yeah my family is catholic".

The Bible says many things. You say they're not christians because they confess throuhg a priest, I say you're not christian because you don't obey the kosher laws. Perspective, perspective.

When did i say they weren't a Christian because of that? If they read the Bible more, they would know God says you don't need to confess through a priest.

So you mention some rumors about some extremists and think you're right? Think again.

Rumors? Catholics killed people. Some Catholics pray to Mary instead of Jesus. Some Catholics require that you give ALL your money to the Church. Some Catholics don't even read the Bible, because I know most of the Catholic churches around me don't even teach the Bible >.>. It's corrupt.

Hahaha, give me a break. If we're going to go by this, then we have a long way to go, since big parts of the world still aren't civilized. Try Africa, parts of Asia, Eskimos, the Amazon. You'd need a few more centuries for this, *if* it happens. Super sorry.

Well like I said it was just my opinion.

Hah, as opposed to what? Being brainwashed into believing in God for years? A baby has as much of a choice as you did.

Who the hell is brainwashed? I choose to believe what I believe. I could easily say you are brainwashed by your mediocre aethiest knowledge, if you want to start things that way.

A baby has no choice >.> babies are too young to understand what sin is nor to choose what to do for God.

Black Plague > Bird Flu.

You think a disease can wipe out the world? Don't make me laugh, some people develop immunities. How do you think 1/3rd of Europe survived the Black Plague?

How would you know? The Bird Flu hasn't become a pandemic yet. Besides we have air travel nowadays, it can spread before you even have symptoms. And if it spreads through airplanes, most the whole world could catch it after a few months.

Because back then if you got sick, it generally meant that there was an infectious diese that could possible kill then entire church. Huh, sounds kinda logical if you put it in that sense.

not really i know especially in parts of South America that if you're sick they shun you because you sinned and they don't want to be around sin. They think of you as disgusting and sinful.

This is a common misconception, but a misconception nonetheless.

Um it is true. Not a misconception. I've seen and been to many Cathedrals where they openly admit this. They have a tiny room with a small Jesus Statue, and next door is a huge room with a 20 foot tall statue of Mary made of marble that has eroded from the constant kissing of Mary's feet. >.> They go in there to pray.

First of all, SOME HARD-CORE. Second of all, don't Christians worship Jesus? Since they both worship Jesus, aren't they into the same fundamental beliefs?

You can only have one God. God says "put no other gods before me". What you worship could be your t.v., your girlfriend, whatever you like---even Mary. Whatever you put in front of God, now becomes what you want more than him. You can't worship both Mary and Jesus. Mary was not the savior, she was merely a teenage girl God picked out of many many girls to give birth to Jesus. It could have been a girl named Barbera. Mary has no right to be worshipped.

I'm wondering how Catholics worship god without his book.

The majority of Catholic churches i've visited around the world do not teach the Bible.

[LordMune]

I'm wondering how Catholics worship god without his book.

Yeah, I mean, how can you preach without the Qur'an? I know some people still use the Bible and whatnot, but that's so two millenia ago.

[Savior of Dawn]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

wrong. you must live a Christian life. Live for God. God says don't put any other gods before him. Don't worship anything in front of him.

And Catholics put who in front of god?

I've been to 1000x more places around the world than you have, and I've seen catholics from everywhere. Especially my friends who think they are saved just cuz "yeah my family is catholic".

Odd, I've seen christians from everywhere too. They think they are saved just cuz "yeah, my family is christian."

When did i say they weren't a Christian because of that? If they read the Bible more, they would know God says you don't need to confess through a priest.

No, Christians simply interpreted the bible that way. You say blue-green, they say green-blue.

Rumors? Catholics killed people. Some Catholics pray to Mary instead of Jesus. Some Catholics require that you give ALL your money to the Church. Some Catholics don't even read the Bible, because I know most of the Catholic churches around me don't even teach the Bible >.>. It's corrupt.

So, since we're talking about minorities and extremists here.. Can I say that all Christians are alcoholics?

Who the hell is brainwashed? I choose to believe what I believe. I could easily say you are brainwashed by your mediocre aethiest knowledge, if you want to start things that way.

You were raised as a Christian, with those beliefs.

A baby has no choice >.> babies are too young to understand what sin is nor to choose what to do for God.

A christian has no choice either. Either believe or go to hell.

How would you know? The Bird Flu hasn't become a pandemic yet. Besides we have air travel nowadays, it can spread before you even have symptoms. And if it spreads through airplanes, most the whole world could catch it after a few months.

Do you read science news? Do you read the developments of vaccines? I doubt it.

not really i know especially in parts of South America that if you're sick they shun you because you sinned and they don't want to be around sin. They think of you as disgusting and sinful.

You don't want to be around sin either, because sinning sends you to hell, right? You simply think that a sinless person can become sick. Again, persceptive.

You can only have one God. God says "put no other gods before me". What you worship could be your t.v., your girlfriend, whatever you like---even Mary. Whatever you put in front of God, now becomes what you want more than him. You can't worship both Mary and Jesus. Mary was not the savior, she was merely a teenage girl God picked out of many many girls to give birth to Jesus. It could have been a girl named Barbera. Mary has no right to be worshipped.

Mary was the portal God used to create Jesus. He couldn't make him out of nothing. Why can't they worship the woman who was blessed with God's child?

The majority of Catholic churches i've visited around the world do not teach the Bible.

So, tell me, where did they get all of this information about God that somehow is amazingly similar to the information that Christians have?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

wrong. you must live a Christian life. Live for God. God says don't put any other gods before him. Don't worship anything in front of him.

The Bible also says not to use symbols and imagery, and you have crosses. So I conclude you're not christian.

I've been to 1000x more places around the world than you have, and I've seen catholics from everywhere. Especially my friends who think they are saved just cuz "yeah my family is catholic".

1. Seeing as how you don't know where I've traveled, this is baseless.

2. If it's not backed by the Vatican, why would we care? The Vatican is was decides Catholic rules. Whatever everybody else does is irrelevant.

When did i say they weren't a Christian because of that? If they read the Bible more, they would know God says you don't need to confess through a priest.

And if you read the Bible more, you'd see that God declared all of his laws eternal. And seeing as how I doubt you follow the Sabbath properly, that'd make you a non-christian?

Rumors? Catholics killed people.

All religions do. Without the killing, you'd be a godless heathen.

Some Catholics pray to Mary instead of Jesus. Some Catholics require that you give ALL your money to the Church. Some Catholics don't even read the Bible, because I know most of the Catholic churches around me don't even teach the Bible >.>. It's corrupt.

Do I care what some Catholics do? No, it's irrelevant. Catholicism is the Vatican, don't bother with extremists.

Well like I said it was just my opinion.

And I used common sense to prove it wrong. Sunrise, sunset.

Who the hell is brainwashed? I choose to believe what I believe. I could easily say you are brainwashed by your mediocre aethiest knowledge, if you want to start things that way.

And you'd be wrong, because I was raised christian. I doubted, I researched, I left. You were born christian, raised christian, and will probably die christian. Brainwashed. No different from baptizing a baby.

A baby has no choice >.> babies are too young to understand what sin is nor to choose what to do for God.

So are you, apparently, if you don't follow his laws.

How would you know? The Bird Flu hasn't become a pandemic yet. Besides we have air travel nowadays, it can spread before you even have symptoms. And if it spreads through airplanes, most the whole world could catch it after a few months.

Big whoop. People always survive because they develop natural immunities. Happens with every outbreak.

not really i know especially in parts of South America that if you're sick they shun you because you sinned and they don't want to be around sin. They think of you as disgusting and sinful.

Your point? I repeat, what extremists do is inconsequential to the official Catholicism.

Um it is true. Not a misconception. I've seen and been to many Cathedrals where they openly admit this. They have a tiny room with a small Jesus Statue, and next door is a huge room with a 20 foot tall statue of Mary made of marble that has eroded from the constant kissing of Mary's feet. >.> They go in there to pray.

And how does this make them not christian? They disregard some laws as you do.

You can only have one God. God says "put no other gods before me". What you worship could be your t.v., your girlfriend, whatever you like---even Mary. Whatever you put in front of God, now becomes what you want more than him. You can't worship both Mary and Jesus. Mary was not the savior, she was merely a teenage girl God picked out of many many girls to give birth to Jesus. It could have been a girl named Barbera. Mary has no right to be worshipped.

Now, what Catholic did you see calling Mary a Goddess?

The majority of Catholic churches i've visited around the world do not teach the Bible.

I call your BS. Every single church I've been in has their time to talk about 2 OT stories, directly from the Bible, and one NT one.

[Eclipse]

And I used common sense to prove it wrong. Sunrise, sunset.

um you can't prove whether the world will come to an end or not. You're not a psychic. So you proved nothing. It was my opinion, and you can't prove the future wrong or not. XP

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

um you can't prove whether the world will come to an end or not. You're not a psychic. So you proved nothing. It was my opinion, and you can't prove the future wrong or not. XP

Actually, I predicted the world won't end till the sun begans to heat up and starts to from as a super nova. That, or we use up all the natrual resources, but doubt that would happen. Hopefully, Religion will be demolished and idea's will reign supreme.

[Savior of Dawn]

um you can't prove whether the world will come to an end or not. You're not a psychic. So you proved nothing. It was my opinion, and you can't prove the future wrong or not. XP

The world will end in three seconds... one...two...three..

I just proved the future wrong.

Originally Posted by <T/2igger}{APPY>

That, or we use up all the natrual resources, but doubt that would happen. Hopefully, Religion will be demolished and idea's will reign supreme.

Humans are more likely to die before they could suck up all of Earth's natural resources. Even then, some organisms would still be alive.

Though, I suppose since humans are so narcissistic, the world ends if humans go extinct.

[Eclipse]

The world will end in three seconds... one...two...three..

I just proved the future wrong

no.

you proved your prediction wrong

=O

[Savior of Dawn]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

no.

you proved your prediction wrong

=O

No, I proved that the world wasn't going to end in three seconds, and I thus proved a possible future outcome wrong. It could have happened, but it didn't.

Therefore, the future can be proven wrong. Just not this future.

[Phoenix]

um you can't prove whether the world will come to an end or not. You're not a psychic. So you proved nothing. It was my opinion, and you can't prove the future wrong or not. XP

I can't prove the future wrong, that much is certain. But seeing as how your opinion isn't the future, I'm good.