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[Phoenix]

who counts the Illiead as credible? No one. I know many scientists and historians who believe the credibility of the Bible.

You amuse me. The Illiad not credible? How do you think we discovered Troy?

Who are you, if there are thousands of scientists who already have evidence from the bible to prove it correct?

I'd like to see references of these scientists, since I know you're posting BS now. No scientist would claim an entire document true. Historians may agree that some parts of the Bible are historical, but the same applies to the Illiad.

Lying *is* a sin, you know.

Everyone i know begs for what they want for Christmas.

beg Audio pronunciation of "beg" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bg)
v. begged, beg·ging, begs
v. tr.

1. To ask for as charity: begged money while sitting in a doorway.
2. To ask earnestly for or of; entreat: begged me for help.
3.
1. To evade; dodge: a speech that begged the real issues.
2. To take for granted without proof: beg the point in a dispute.

By this definition, christians beg.

And this is spam, Phoenix. Pure spam,

the person who made this thread wanted to talk about the prejudice over beliefs and religions, not to discuss the validity of Christianity.

Wrong. The validity of Christianity has everything to do with how I treat it. This is just you running out of arguments. A completely natural thing, really.

Now I have done my duty in providing this person with answers. I suggest you no longer spam the thread with your topic

Good day, sir.

The answers I destroyed? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're destroyed. You proved to everyone here your argument can't hold against mine, meaning that I shall treat Christianity in my life proportional to the strength of your argument, or lack thereof.

[Moonshot]

I'd like to see references of these scientists, since I know you're posting BS now. No scientist would claim an entire document true. Historians may agree that some parts of the Bible are historical, but the same applies to the Illiad.

Lying *is* a sin you know?

Why would I post BS? I'm not pathetic enough to lie to support an online argument. I don't have exact names because I simply do not remember, but yes I read and have heard of scientists who not only studied the bible to prove it wrong, and came up with no way to prove it wrong, and actually ended up becoming Christian, but also I know of scientists who are totally aesthiest and support the things that happened in the Bible.

beg Audio pronunciation of "beg" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bg)
v. begged, beg·ging, begs
v. tr.

1. To ask for as charity: begged money while sitting in a doorway.
2. To ask earnestly for or of; entreat: begged me for help.
3.
1. To evade; dodge: a speech that begged the real issues.
2. To take for granted without proof: beg the point in a dispute.

By this definition, christians beg.

No, the unsaved beg for salvation. Then they recieve it, and they are then Chrsitians. Christians don't beg >.>

You don't put toast in a toaster, you put bread.

Wrong. The validity of Christianity has everything to do with how I treat it. This is just you running out of arguments. A completely natural thing, really.

No, just because you're a mod doesn't mean you can avoid the rules. The validity of Chrsitians has NOTHING to do with it

make me mad. Why is it ok to make fun of someone elses religion is its not a christian one? A lot of people make fun of buddhist where i live, but some says something about God and then there is a problem. Anyone else feel the same, or have the same problems?

We are talking about stepping all over people's religions. Not debate, it is about seeing if others feel the same way about prejudice over religions. therefore, please don't stray from the topic.

The answers I destroyed? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're destroyed. You proved to everyone here your argument can't hold against mine, meaning that I shall treat Christianity in my life proportional to the strength of your argument, or lack thereof.

How did you prove anything? just that you have the stamina to answer back. With every comeback you have, so do I. So please do not judge. I gave him the answer he was looking for from me, which was "yes it makes me sick when people are prejudice over others beliefs and religions" which i know you in fact are. I've seen you around here and you love stepping over others beliefs.

This was not to debate, but to see how others felt about the topic.

Now with that I bid you goodnight, Pho.


One more thing:

Other creation accounts in the Middle East, Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America include such mythological scenarios as gods feuding and cutting up other gods to form the heavens and the earth. The religious works of the Greeks described the earth being held up by the god Atlas, while in India, the Hindu religion pictured the earth as supported on the backs of eight huge elephants.

Yet the Bible describes God hanging the earth "on nothing" (Job 26:7).

This was written millennia before Isaac Newton discovered the invisible laws of gravity that showed the earth truly is suspended "on nothing."

Norman Geisler, professor of theology, summarizes the findings of archaeology: "In every period of Old Testament history, we find that there is good evidence from archaeology that the Scriptures speak the truth. In many instances, the Scriptures even reflect firsthand knowledge of the times and customs it describes. While many have doubted the accuracy of the Bible, time and continued research have consistently demonstrated that the Word of God is better informed than its critics"

(Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, 1998, p. 52).

Robert Jastrow, a former NASA director, comments: "A sound explanation may exist for the explosive birth of our Universe; but if it does, science cannot find out what the explanation is. The scientist's pursuit of the past ends in the moment of creation.

"This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians. They have always accepted the word of the Bible: 'In the beginning God created heaven and earth.

Robert Jastrow, a former NASA director, comments: "A sound explanation may

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn53/bibletrue.htm

[Phoenix]

Why would I post BS? I'm not pathetic enough to lie to support an online argument. I don't have exact names because I simply do not remember, but yes I read and have heard of scientists who not only studied the bible to prove it wrong, and came up with no way to prove it wrong, and actually ended up becoming Christian, but also I know of scientists who are totally aesthiest and support the things that happened in the Bible.

I'm sure. And I've heard of people who study the Bible and become atheists. No scientists can claim a whole document to be truth. It's unscientific.

No, the unsaved beg for salvation. Then they recieve it, and they are then Chrsitians. Christians don't beg >.>

You don't put toast in a toaster, you put bread.

And the kids who received the presents don't beg either. They got what they wanted.

No, just because you're a mod doesn't mean you can avoid the rules. The validity of Chrsitians has NOTHING to do with it

Rich. You say whether something's truth or lie has no effect on how people should treat it?

We are talking about stepping all over people's religions. Not debate, it is about seeing if others feel the same way about prejudice over religions. therefore, please don't stray from the topic.

Actually, your first post here acussed me on looking down on other religions, just because I like to debate. Don't like prejudice? Start yourself.

How did you prove anything? just that you have the stamina to answer back. With every comeback you have, so do I.

You? Please. When you run out of things to say, you accuse.

So please do not judge. I gave him the answer he was looking for from me, which was "yes it makes me sick when people are prejudice over others beliefs and religions" which i know you in fact are. I've seen you around here and you love stepping over others beliefs.

Prejudice like there. I enjoy debates, and I enjoy pitting my beliefs against someone else's, but that means I must love stepping over other's beliefs? Hah, your argument just burned out.

This was not to debate, but to see how others felt about the topic.

There's a debate rule on what can turn into a debate and what can't?


And now, my favorite part:

Other creation accounts in the Middle East, Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America include such mythological scenarios as gods feuding and cutting up other gods to form the heavens and the earth. The religious works of the Greeks described the earth being held up by the god Atlas, while in India, the Hindu religion pictured the earth as supported on the backs of eight huge elephants.

Yet the Bible describes God hanging the earth "on nothing" (Job 26:7).

Ooh, love it. My turn

"DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

Got one part better than the others, but completely messed it up in another one. Scientific knowledge, or lucky guesses? Either that, or they passed astronomy and failed biology. Seeing as how the other mythologies had creatues and gods to hold the Earth, and Christianity doesn't, it's common sense, dude.

This was written millennia before Isaac Newton discovered the invisible laws of gravity that showed the earth truly is suspended "on nothing."

Or we could take it a step further. The Earth isn't suspended, period. It's moving. Therefore, they botched it up.

Norman Geisler, professor of theology, summarizes the findings of archaeology: "In every period of Old Testament history, we find that there is good evidence from archaeology that the Scriptures speak the truth. In many instances, the Scriptures even reflect firsthand knowledge of the times and customs it describes. While many have doubted the accuracy of the Bible, time and continued research have consistently demonstrated that the Word of God is better informed than its critics"

(Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, 1998, p. 52).

Wowzerz! Straight from a theologian. Try the Pope next time.

Robert Jastrow, a former NASA director, comments: "A sound explanation may exist for the explosive birth of our Universe; but if it does, science cannot find out what the explanation is. The scientist's pursuit of the past ends in the moment of creation.

I'm lucky this is own opinion and not backed by evidence and the scientific method, or I'd be screwed, eh?

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Moonshot

Why would I post BS? I'm not pathetic enough to lie to support an online argument. I don't have exact names because I simply do not remember, but yes I read and have heard of scientists who not only studied the bible to prove it wrong, and came up with no way to prove it wrong, and actually ended up becoming Christian, but also I know of scientists who are totally aesthiest and support the things that happened in the Bible.

Your information is by far, baised. Also, anyone with a working cranium wouldn't take your argument serious on account your spelling and gammar are atrosious.

No, the unsaved beg for salvation. Then they recieve it, and they are then Chrsitians. Christians don't beg >.>

You don't put toast in a toaster, you put bread.

I don't beg for salvation, do you pho? One reason I don't beg for "salvation", is for one, I don't belive in the bible, your god, whatever. Secondly, I don't beg for salvation because there is nothing I need to be saved from.

No, just because you're a mod doesn't mean you can avoid the rules. The validity of Chrsitians has NOTHING to do with it

I belive it does.

We are talking about stepping all over people's religions. Not debate, it is about seeing if others feel the same way about prejudice over religions. therefore, please don't stray from the topic.

There is allways going to be prejudice. Religious or not. Idviduality and conflicting idea's are allways going to be around. Get used to it. I will say this once more, I personaly dislike Christianity, based ont he fact that I think the bible is a bunch of bull.

How did you prove anything? just that you have the stamina to answer back. With every comeback you have, so do I. So please do not judge. I gave him the answer he was looking for from me, which was "yes it makes me sick when people are prejudice over others beliefs and religions" which i know you in fact are. I've seen you around here and you love stepping over others beliefs.

This was not to debate, but to see how others felt about the topic.

Now with that I bid you goodnight, Pho.

One more thing:



http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn53/bibletrue.htm

Ha! Are you serious? Are you really going to use a bull shit site like that to convince us "non-belivers"? Any site that is centered around the bible or anyother religious text is bound to be baised.

[Moonshot]

And the kids who received the presents don't beg either. They got what they wanted.

if they don't ask or beg, how are the parents or Santa supposed to know what they want? he's not God.

Rich. You say whether something's truth or lie has no effect on how people should treat it?

whether you like it or not. You will never be able to physically prove if there is a God or not. Therefore rendering the religion forum, useless. People will believe what they want to believe. And "truth" is that you have no phyical proof to prove god nonexistant.

and this is not to prove whether one religion is right or wrong, don't you understand? is that too hard for you to comprehend? because this is about talking about religious prejudism. Not proving one religion right or wrong.

There's a debate rule on what can turn into a debate and what can't?

the fact is you have to debate on every single topic, even when the topic is not about debate. Must you throw everything into argument? You live to argue.

espeically that thread that was made for Christians and supported "pro-christian comments" only and you went in and spammed the thread up with your debate and an admin had to close it because you spammed your crap up in the thread.

Or we could take it a step further. The Earth isn't suspended, period. It's moving. Therefore, they botched it up.

but it is hovering over nothing isn't it? it moves, but it is suspended in mid-space as it moves and spins.

Wowzerz! Straight from a theologian. Try the Pope next time.

Theologians study this stuff. That doesn't make them Christian. Are you doubting the people who study this as a profession? There are many aesthiest theologians.

Your information is by far, baised. Also, anyone with a working cranium wouldn't take your argument serious on account your spelling and gammar are atrosious.

where was my spelling or grammar innacurate?

I don't beg for salvation, do you pho? One reason I don't beg for "salvation", is for one, I don't belive in the bible, your god, whatever. Secondly, I don't beg for salvation because there is nothing I need to be saved from.

the unsaved who actually want to become Christian, I mean.

There is allways going to be prejudice. Religious or not. Idviduality and conflicting idea's are allways going to be around. Get used to it. I will say this once more, I personaly dislike Christianity, based ont he fact that I think the bible is a bunch of bull.

that is your opinion. that does not mean anyone on this forum should treat Christians lowly. Prejudice may be in this world, but it is not tolerated as to stepping over people's beliefs all over the forums

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Moonshot

if they don't ask or beg, how are the parents or Santa supposed to know what they want? he's not God.

Santa is always watching. Remember that little detail? Well, thats obviously how he knows how to get the presents we wan't.

whether you like it or not. You will never be able to physically prove if there is a God or not. Therefore rendering the religion forum, useless. People will believe what they want to believe. And "truth" is that you have no phyical proof to prove god nonexistant.

and this is not to prove whether one religion is right or wrong, don't you understand? is that too hard for you to comprehend? because this is about talking about religious prejudism. Not proving one religion right or wrong.

Ok, now we know you have ran out of things. You just played the "You can't prove or disprove god". The real truth is that you have no physical proof ethier.

the fact is you have to debate on every single topic, even when the topic is not about debate. Must you throw everything into argument? You live to argue.

espeically that thread that was made for Christians and supported "pro-christian comments" only and you went in and spammed the thread up with your debate and an admin had to close it because you spammed your crap up in the thread.

Debating isn't spam. Like I said before, we are free to debate any where we wan't.

but it is hovering over nothing isn't it? it moves, but it is suspended in mid-space as it moves and spins.

Gravity is like an invisable string. Its being pulled by a force. So, no its not hovering over anything, but something is moving it.

Theologians study this stuff. That doesn't make them Christian. Are you doubting the people who study this as a profession? There are many aesthiest theologians.

I doubt everything.

where was my spelling or grammar innacurate?

Many places my freind. Throw your post into Word. I bet you will find a mistake or two.

the unsaved who actually want to become Christian, I mean.

Good for them. They could live a life based on faith a.k.a gulliblity.

that is your opinion. that does not mean anyone on this forum should treat Christians lowly. Prejudice may be in this world, but it is not tolerated as to stepping over people's beliefs all over the forums

Who ever said we treat CHRISTIANS lowley? I have many christian freinds. I don't like the religion. have nothing agianst the people untill proven other wise. Ill step all over as many beleifs as I want. Just as long as your not stepping over a person because of thier religion. You are mis-lead my freind.

[Phoenix]

if they don't ask or beg, how are the parents or Santa supposed to know what they want? he's not God.

Oy...

They ask and beg, like christians, before getting their gifts. They don't ask anymore, like christians, after they get their gifts.

whether you like it or not. You will never be able to physically prove if there is a God or not.

Neither will you be able to prove Santa Claus wrong.

Therefore rendering the religion forum, useless. People will believe what they want to believe. And "truth" is that you have no phyical proof to prove god nonexistant.

Because you can't prove a negative. I can't prove unicorns, dragons and fairies wrong either. So that puts them in the same level as God.

the fact is you have to debate on every single topic, even when the topic is not about debate. Must you throw everything into argument? You live to argue.

Only when the forum is called "discussion". If it bother you that much, ignore me. It takes 2 to argue.

espeically that thread that was made for Christians and supported "pro-christian comments" only and you went in and spammed the thread up with your debate and an admin had to close it because you spammed your crap up in the thread.

Here's a though. Go to wikipedia and look up "spam". It seems you're a tad confused.

but it is hovering over nothing isn't it? it moves, but it is suspended in mid-space as it moves and spins.

No it isn't:

sus·pend Audio pronunciation of "suspended" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-spnd)
v. sus·pend·ed, sus·pend·ing, sus·pends
v. tr.

1. To bar for a period from a privilege, office, or position, usually as a punishment: suspend a student from school.
2. To cause to stop for a period; interrupt: suspended the trial.
3.
1. To hold in abeyance; defer: suspend judgment. See Synonyms at defer1.
2. To render temporarily ineffective: suspend a jail sentence; suspend all parking regulations.
4. To hang so as to allow free movement: suspended the mobile from the ceiling.
5. To support or keep from falling without apparent attachment, as by buoyancy: suspend oneself in the water.

Where is the Earth suspended, Moon?

and this is not to prove whether one religion is right or wrong, don't you understand? is that too hard for you to comprehend? because this is about talking about religious prejudism. Not proving one religion right or wrong.

You're the one that apparently doesn't get it. If a religion can't even handle such simple arguments.... why should I respect your God more than Santa Claus?

Theologians study this stuff. That doesn't make them Christian. Are you doubting the people who study this as a profession? There are many aesthiest theologians.

Oh yes, and if the topic was theology, then by all means. Thing is, theologians aren't authorized or qualified to talk about archeology, if he doesn't have a diploma, no go.

[Moonshot]

Santa is always watching. Remember that little detail? Well, thats obviously how he knows how to get the presents we wan't.

can he read our thoughts? o.O

Ok, now we know you have ran out of things. You just played the "You can't prove or disprove god". The real truth is that you have no physical proof ethier.

neither do you, so why again are we here?

Debating isn't spam. Like I said before, we are free to debate any where we wan't.

there is a debate forum. take it there =O

and it doesn't matter. Even the admin spoke to phoenix to cool it and he would not stray from stepping all over the poor kids in that thread. That is totally disrespectful. No one asked for his opinion. It was a Christian only thread, monkeybutt had to close it because of Phoenix's antics.

Who ever said we treat CHRISTIANS lowley? I have many christian freinds. I don't like the religion. have nothing agianst the people untill proven other wise. Ill step all over as many beleifs as I want. Just as long as your not stepping over a person because of thier religion. You are mis-lead my freind.

I didn't SAY YOU TREAT CHRISTIANS lowly. I said you shouldn't, not that you did.

Neither will you be able to prove Santa Claus wrong.

How many people have seen the real Santa Claus at the north pole? =O

how many people saw Jesus according to the recorded documents in history? =O

[Phoenix]

and it doesn't matter. Even the admin spoke to phoenix to cool it and he would not stray from stepping all over the poor kids in that thread. That is totally disrespectful. No one asked for his opinion. It was a Christian only thread, monkeybutt had to close it because of Phoenix's antics.

No one's asking for your opinions right now, either. We still listen to them. Stepping over them? MB very well said I had a point, he asked for questions, and I gave him question. Sounds to me like you have a personal problem.

how many people saw Jesus according to the recorded documents in history? =O

That you can prove? None.

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Moonshot

I didn't SAY YOU TREAT CHRISTIANS lowly. I said you shouldn't, not that you did.

I know this. I just explained why people shouldn't

How many people have seen the real Santa Claus at the north pole? =O

how many people saw Jesus according to the recorded documents in history? =O

Give me text that talks about jesus. No bible.

[Endless Devoid]

People make fun of other religions because Christianity is the majority religion of the USA.

I just thought I'd correct you here;

People make fun of other religions because AITHEISM is the majority religion of the USA.

[Moonshot]

No one's asking for your opinions right now, either. We still listen to them. Stepping over them? MB very well said I had a point, he asked for questions, and I gave him question. Sounds to me like you have a personal problem

you did in fact. insult them. I don't insult you because you're aethiest. That was a Pro-Christian only thread, by the repects of the people who made that thread. Sure you could post, but not sit there and try to disprove all the people there and step all over them.

That you can prove? None.

tell me what you can prove?

the bible is a valid historical document.

so are the dead sea scrolls. no one just made them up.

how do you think we learned about our history? if it wasn't for archaeological remains, we would not have ancient history.

People make fun of other religions because AITHEISM is the majority religion of the USA.

Is aethiesm even a religion? i thought it was a disbelief in all religions? thats a bit of an oxymoron isn't it?

[Endless Devoid]

Yes, the rest of that post was purely top reply to his post with sarcasm moon, Aitheism is not a religion, it is the lacking of supernatural beleif.

The way I see it, I will make fun of whatever religion I want. If I get in more trouble for making fun of one than another, that's discrimination, and it's pathetic.

I can say WHATEVER I want about god in my country, and legally, nobody can do anything about it.

[Moonshot]

The way I see it, I will make fun of whatever religion I want. If I get in more trouble for making fun of one than another, that's discrimination, and it's pathetic.

well don't do it on these forums. it's not allowed

The Midnighter:

but my the vBulletin gods have mercy on your souls if you bash another religion, or anyone else for that matter.

[Ric]

Since when was the bible a valid source?