Religion 411 - Know Your Religions!

[DuskTop]

Uh, of course they're different things, but the general idea he's trying to get across is valid.

The point is you can't know one thing is better than the other until you try it, learn about it. At least in this case.

But some people don't like new things/change, so they stick with what they know or were raised into.

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Originally Posted by disney_guy

no cat is not wrong, the christians believe that lucifer was satan

no one is wrong its simply if you belive the legend or not

and in the bible it says that Satan is an enemy not a persecuater

Uh, no, you're wrong.
In the angel hierarchy and in demonology, there is a Lucifer and a Satan.

However, the name Lucifer is more of a title given to angels who have fallen from heaven; the name Lucifer is Latin for "light bringer".
Over all, the Christians, who should have no say in anything when it comes to Semitic religion, like to go and interpret things and then enforce their interpretations. Like, saying that "Lucifer is Satan", when they should be saying "Satan the Lucifer".
Another example would be "Jesus Christ". Christ is very much not Jesus' last name, but a Greek title meaning "the anointed".

[Forever Atlas]

Regarding Lucifer - Just one Interpretation:

• Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?

The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”

The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

Who is this Lucifer? The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

Why is such an eminent description given to the Babylonian dynasty? We must realize that the king of Babylon was to be called the shining one only after his fall and in a taunting way. (Isaiah 14:3) Selfish pride prompted Babylon’s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: “To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High.”—Isaiah 14:13, 14.

“The stars of God” are the kings of the royal line of David. (Numbers 24:17) From David onward, these “stars” ruled from Mount Zion. After Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the name Zion came to apply to the whole city. Under the Law covenant, all male Israelites were obliged to travel to Zion three times a year. Thus, it became “the mountain of meeting.” By determining to subjugate the Judean kings and then remove them from that mountain, Nebuchadnezzar is declaring his intention to put himself above those “stars.” Instead of giving Jehovah credit for the victory over them, he arrogantly puts himself in Jehovah’s place. So it is after being cut down to the earth that the Babylonian dynasty is mockingly referred to as the “shining one.”

The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of “the god of this system of things”—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan. - WT 9/15/2002

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Where does Beelzebub fit into it?

[Phoenix]

Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

Thank you, fina-fuck-lly.

[Forever Atlas]

Originally Posted by Zero Inferno

Where does Beelzebub fit into it?

Someone was talking about Beelzebub? >.> I missed that part. Anyway, I'm going to do some copy/pasting because I got to jet.

Beelzebub - [possibly an alteration of Baal-zebub, meaning “Owner of the Flies,” the Baal worshiped by the Philistines at Ekron. Alternately, Beelzeboul and Beezeboul, possibly meaning, “Owner of the Lofty Abode (Habitation)”; or, if a play on the non-Biblical Heb. word ze′vel (dung), “Owner of the Dung”].

“Beelzebub” is a designation applied to Satan the prince, or ruler, of the demons. The religious leaders blasphemously accused Jesus Christ of expelling demons by means of Beelzebub.—Mt 10:25; 12:24-29; Mr 3:22-27; Lu 11:15-19;

BAAL-ZEBUB

[Owner of the Flies].

The Baal worshiped by the Philistines at Ekron. There are indications that it was a common practice among the Hebrews to change the names of false gods to something similar but degrading. Hence, the ending “zebub” may be an alteration of one of the titles of Baal shown in the Ras Shamra texts as “Zebul” (“Prince”). Some scholars, however, suggest that the name was given to the god by his worshipers because of his being viewed as the producer of flies and therefore able to control this common pest of the Middle East. Since the giving of oracles was associated with Baal-zebub, others favor the view that Baal-zebub was a god who was regarded as giving oracles by the flight or buzzing of a fly.—2Ki 1:2.

Ahaziah the king of Israel sent messengers to inquire of Baal-zebub as to whether he would recover from his serious injury or not. Through his prophet Elijah, Jehovah rebuked Ahaziah, saying: “Is it because there is no God at all in Israel that you are sending to inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron? Therefore, as regards the couch upon which you have gone up, you will not come down off it, because you will positively die.”—2Ki 1:2-8;

[Dantés de Divinity]

How I do things is simple.

Steps 1-5

1. Pray for something I want

2. Put in an effort to achieve my goal

3. Meet God halfway

4. Leave it up to God to follow through when I have done all I can

5. Check item off my list of things to do before I die

Simple. You don't get something just because you pray. You have to put the initiative in to get it. If it's enough God will make it happen. The work is like payment to God to fulfill the rest.

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demonology thread?

[Phoenix]

That's not a religion =/