Irrefutable proof from the Bible that Jesus wasn't GOD, and he Prophesied about the c

[Jeels]

Alright, I'm not a genious, but alot of people here are. o.o And this is from another website, so dont get all "ZOMG DEBATE TIME LOL" on me, I thought it was an interesting read though.



Irrefutable proof from the Bible that Jesus wasn't GOD, and he Prophesied about the coming of Muhammad (by the name) after him:
Please visit my Answering Trinity section to see detailed refutations to every single so-called "trinitarian" verse. The most important articles in this section are:
The absolute Oneness of GOD Almighty in the Bible's Old Testament.
The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT. Answering Isaiah 9:6.
Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.
Do People and Angels bowing down to Jesus in Worship really prove that he is the Creator of the Universe?See how the word "Worship" used for Jesus doesn't even exist in the original Greek Bibles. The Trinitarian English translations are nothing but hoaxes and deceptions. The article responds to Matthew 15:9 and other English mistranslated verses in the Bible.
Jesus claimed that whoever saw him saw the Father. Wouldn't that prove that Jesus is GOD Himself (i.e., the Creator of the Universe)?
Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"? Responding to the "I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)" claim.
The early Christians rejected Trinity.
Prophet Muhammad mentioned by the name:
In the Gospel of John: Muhammad is mentioned by the name and was foretold in the Gospel of John.
The Aramaic Bible predicts the coming of Muhammad by the exact word.
See also Prophet Muhammad was foretold in the Bible for other events mentioned in the Bible that he fulfilled.

I challenge you!
I challenge you to print this article and all of the links that I provided in colors, and give it to the best Rabbi or Priest or Minister that you know of, and have him respond to it, especially to my questions.
I will link all of the answers/rebuttals that I receive about this article in the "Rebuttals to this article" section below to be fair to my readers.

[Ysu]

Er . . .

I never heard anyone say Jesus was God but it seems whoever wrote the article is implying that Jesus and others did.

So Islam's right? *runs off to a mosque with his Bosnian friends*

[Jeels]

Well, if you actually read, they are talking about the trinity, that Jesus, God, and the spirit are one.

[Square Ninja]

The concept of the Trinity has always been polytheism anyway. It pretty much contradicts the concept of monotheism.

[Ryu]

Parakletos. Paraclete. Paraklete. Advocate. Comforter. Counsellor.

Parakletos or periklytos does not mean 'glorified one'.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Paraclete comes from the Greek word παράκλητος meaning "one who consoles" or "one who intercedes on our behalf", which first appears in the Gospel of John (16:7).

The 'parakletos' would come to help the Christians after Jesus had left, and in short, it was the Holy Spirit who would guide them in their thoughts and actions. Nowhere does the Bible refer to Muhammed.


Also, the Bible and the Qu'ran are contradictory. For one because as you explained me yourself, monkey, the Qu'ran teaches of a hell, while the Bible does not. And neither the Qu'ran, nor Muhammed or any Muslim teaches or believes that Jesus was the long expected saviour, while the Bible and Jesus himself (whom supposedly prophesise Muhammed), did.

And true, Jesus is not God, the Trinity is and has never been taught by the Bible. Not every Christian believes that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one either.

[Redemptions Light]

Alrighty. I can biblically disprove that monkey.

Matthew 16:15-17 " He (Jesus) said to them 'But who do you say that I am.' Imon Peter answered and said ' You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'

Jesus answered and said to him ' Blessed are you Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My father who is in Heaven'"


Jesus did as you can see say that He was the Christ. So where did He say that He wasn't?






Also in Matthew 12: 8 Jesus says " For the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.

And in John 17:21 Jesus prays " that they may all be one, as You Father, are in Me , and I in you...."

This proves that Jesus did not say He wasn't the Christ. He said that He was the Christ, and according to the Bible HE WAS God and was one with Him. So there. :P

[Jeels]

The 'parakletos' would come to help the Christians after Jesus had left, and in short, it was the Holy Spirit who would guide them in their thoughts and actions. Nowhere does the Bible refer to Muhammed.


Also, the Bible and the Qu'ran are contradictory. For one because as you explained me yourself, monkey, the Qu'ran teaches of a hell, while the Bible does not. And neither the Qu'ran, nor Muhammed or any Muslim teaches or believes that Jesus was the long expected saviour, while the Bible and Jesus himself (whom supposedly prophesise Muhammed), did.

And true, Jesus is not God, the Trinity is and has never been taught by the Bible. Not every Christian believes that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one either.

xD That site actually says being a Jehova's Witness is closer to being a Muslim then a Christian, in respect to the trinity, mentions that Jehova's Witnesses do not believe in the trinity.

Alrighty. I can biblically disprove that monkey.

Go ahead, I just posted it because I thought it was interesting. xD

[quitejaded]

Originally Posted by Square Ninja

The concept of the Trinity has always been polytheism anyway. It pretty much contradicts the concept of monotheism.

Er, no. The Trinity means to say that its all ONE diety.

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by monkeybutt

xD That site actually says being a Jehova's Witness is closer to being a Muslim then a Christian, in respect to the trinity, mentions that Jehova's Witnesses do not believe in the trinity.

D: I wouldn't know, I'd say there's as many differences between JW's and Muslims as there are between us and Christians. We don't consider ourselves part of Christiandom in general either, so I guess that site is at least partly right on that.

[Jeels]

^Well it means in the respect of the trinity actually. o.o

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by monkeybutt

^Well it means in the respect of the trinity actually. o.o

Yeah, I get it, I think. o.x Meh, on that, the site is right.

Originally Posted by Redemptions Light

And in John 17:21 Jesus prays " that they may all be one, as You Father, are in Me , and I in you...."

So when Jesus says that the Father is in him, means that the Father is Jesus? Jesus also says that he is one with his disciples, and that they are all one. So that should also mean that Jesus and his disciples are also one, does it not? But so far I have yet to hear about a Holy 15-inity.

When Jesus says he is one with his disciples and with God, he means one in thought. They all have the same beliefs, thoughts, etc.

[Square Ninja]

Originally Posted by quitejaded

Er, no. The Trinity means to say that its all ONE diety.

...except there are three of him, and each is different. Polytheism.

[kairigirl]

Originally Posted by Ryu

D: I wouldn't know, I'd say there's as many differences between JW's and Muslims as there are between us and Christians. We don't consider ourselves part of Christiandom in general either, so I guess that site is at least partly right on that.

o-o I thought y'all were just a different denomination of Christianity. o-o There's Hell, Jesus not being on a cross, the trinity, but then to be a Christian is just accepting Jesus as savior and following him, the dogma stuff is alot of speculation and how you interpret the bible. o-o

(Sorry monkey, I have no reply to your post because I don't know honestly, though the whole bone thing doesn't sound right. :/)

[Hollow Bastion]

*cracks a few knuckles* Alright then..

@Redemptions Light:
NONE of your quotations proved Jesus to be God incarnate, except the very last one. All the rest did was claim Jesus was the son of God, which in itself can be seen as metaphorical, especially with the last scripture you gave:
" that they may all be one, as You Father, are in Me , and I in you...."

Think of it this way. We are all the offspring of God. There is a philosophy on the soul which describes the individuality of the soul. It originally comes from a single form, and it embodies a person on this planet. Through actions and events in the lifetime of that person, that form becomes individuated and therefore an individual soul is derived from the soul that is God. However, some prefer that when we die, our soul returns to the original, thus losing individuality.

In any case, you did an absolutely horrible job in proving anything, and all of those can destroy the concept of a literal son by tossing in the "metaphor" counter.

Now then..next part..

Also, the Bible and the Qu'ran are contradictory. For one because as you explained me yourself, monkey, the Qu'ran teaches of a hell, while the Bible does not. And neither the Qu'ran, nor Muhammed or any Muslim teaches or believes that Jesus was the long expected saviour, while the Bible and Jesus himself (whom supposedly prophesise Muhammed), did.

However, I do believe Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and came from a virgin birth.

Er, no. The Trinity means to say that its all ONE diety.

This was already countered, but I'll say again anyway. The Trinity takes one deity and breaks it into three individuated beings. The concept of the Trinity is on shaky ground from the start, due to various philosophy concepts that threaten its foundation. One such was the metaphor card I mentioned above. Another involving an unchanging God. And then simply claiming monotheism on a 3-part deity with clearly individual parts (thus negating the monotheism card).

[/shred]


Organized religion and dogmas destroy spiritual beliefs/ideas.

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by Ryu

o-o I thought y'all were just a different denomination of Christianity. o-o There's Hell, Jesus not being on a cross, the trinity, but then to be a Christian is just accepting Jesus as savior and following him, the dogma stuff is alot of speculation and how you interpret the bible. o-o

Well it just depends on how you look at it I guess, I mean the Islam has some relations to the Bible (HB's example being one). True, the main thing that 'connects' us to the other denominations of Christianity is that we all use the Bible, but our basic beliefs differ a lot. Like you said, Hell and the Trinity are two examples. Those two concern basic Christian beliefs (where do we go after we die? who is god?) and if basic ideas like that aren't the same between two or more 'groups', I don't know if it's right to associate them with one another.

And eh, maybe overall we are closer to Christianity, but concerning the Trinity we're closer to Muslims, simply because they don't have a Trinity and neither do we. xP I think that's what monkey was saying. So we do have some corresponding beliefs with for example Catholicism, probably more than with the Islam, but we don't consider ourselves part of Christendom on the whole, mainly for the above reasons.

Originally Posted by Hollow Bastion

However, I do believe Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and came from a virgin birth.

True, which is even more confusing in my opinion. Why would a prophet of God tell everyone he's his son? What good is a prophet if you don't believe what he's saying?

Originally Posted by Hollow Bastion

Organized religion and dogmas destroy spiritual beliefs/ideas.

Some do, and there are some that support them.