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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:16 AM   #46
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Perhaps I don't like to think that my existence is one better voided. Certainly this must affect the way I live my life. Judaism and Islam tell me I am chosen, Christianity that I am saved, Hinduism that I am the very stuff of the universe, Buddhism that I am... nothing?
Everything is nothing according to Buddhism, so what does it matter?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:20 AM   #47
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Everything is nothing according to Buddhism, so what does it matter?
If I want to be something, if I want to have significance, it matters quite a bit to me.

That's another question--what separates Buddhism from nihilism?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:27 AM   #48
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That's another question--what separates Buddhism from nihilism?
Buddhists believe existence can improve.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:33 AM   #49
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Buddhists believe existence can improve.
Only to that point of attaining nonexistence. I'm not really sure that invests existence at any level with meaning or significance.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 11:51 AM   #50
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Siddhartha did not want to be worshiped as a god. Being in the state of enlightenment does not make one a deity.
He's still worshipped and idolized. Like all religions, different sects believe different things, regardless of what the original founder actually taught.

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Buddhism does seem quite suspect, or at least susceptible, as a tool from up high to keep the status quo. But history doesn't seem to play out that way. Rather, the ruling elite of the time believe it to be a threat; it turns out to be one of the most significant, internal social upheavals in India's history.
But things change, the "upheaval" inevitably becomes the new status quo.

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I'm not sure what culture could really support "true Buddhism" in this sense.
Whereever there is poverty.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:00 AM   #51
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But things change, the "upheaval" inevitably becomes the new status quo.
I would attribute this less to Buddhism's role as a 'pacifying religion' and more to its acquired role as a social power, which is inevitably concerned with the pacification of peoples. But Buddhism as a religion separate from the political power structure has stirred serious social changes, contrary to views of it as a religion keeping people content and subjugated.

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Whereever there is poverty.
Yes, but here we have already placed it on the edge of society, where material necessities begin to outweigh social considerations. My point is simply that society necessarily orients people toward this world we live in, a world that buddhism expressly rejects, and this will be a source of contention.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 03:50 AM   #52
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But Buddhism as a religion separate from the political power structure has stirred serious social changes, contrary to views of it as a religion keeping people content and subjugated.
For proof: Google "Asoka"
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my world history teacher said asoka was a very kind ruler...
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my world history teacher said asoka was a very kind ruler...
Kind to the standards at the time.

Kind in modern standards? Hell no. It's like calling Ataturk a great ruler when he was a dictator.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 01:29 AM   #55
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Kind to the standards at the time.

Kind in modern standards? Hell no. It's like calling Ataturk a great ruler when he was a dictator.
...and...?


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