Religious Ideals

[Forever Atlas]

Originally Posted by Prajna

I believe some people hold onto a religion out of fear. What I mean is that some people fear death and can't seem to accept that it's a part of life, so they grasp hold of a religion as a means of being sent to afterlife once passing on. I'm a Buddhist, I believe in peace and oneness, but I also am true to Christianity so that makes me a polytheist.

Because that has to do with the topic.

[Ventux]

Originally Posted by Prajna

I'm a Buddhist, I believe in peace and oneness, but I also am true to Christianity so that makes me a polytheist.

Unless you believe in the Holy Trinity or worship the Buddha, you're not.



While religion may be a conveyor of morals in some form, it usually conforms to society and favors certain ideals over others. If religion was to magically (ironically) disappear, morality would still be in place. Actually, I think it would be stronger, because there would be one less excuse for people to use to justify the hindrance of progress.
I like the concept of karma (I sometimes wish it was real), it encourages others to do good deeds and avoid the bad, supposedly.

[Forever Atlas]

Reading comprehension seems to be lacking here :/

I'm not saying Religion is needed. Even the Bible says that there were those "of the nations" apart from serving God who had these qualities.

Romans 2: 14, 15 - For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused.

The thread isn't meant to debate if religion is needed or not.



Anyway, I have a few more:

Philippians 1:10- Make sure of the more important things

My take - If we get our priorities straight in life, we can avoid a lot of hardships.

Ecclesiastes 4:9, 10 - Two are better than one...If one of them should fall, the other one can raise his partner up

Sometimes we may feel inclined to take on the world alone but family and friends are always good to have in times of need because we can't really do everything successfully on our own.

Ephesians 4:31- Let all... screaming and abusive speech be taken away from you.

One word, Respect. The world needs a whole lot more of it.

Philippians 4:5- Let your reasonableness become known

Pretty simple, we should be reasonable in all aspects of our life.

Colossians 3:13 Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely

Grudges do not solve anything. Many times we hold things against people over small matters or misunderstandings. Being forgiving makes our dealings with others much more palatable.

So those are just a few more. It was easy to list, got them straight from a magazine article =p

[mad cunt]

Just let it die dude.

[Shamdeo]

No, he's right.

[Alaude Drenxta]

Originally Posted by Forever Atlas

Despite what many believe, religion isn't ALL bad. There are obvious principles and guidelines, laws, ethics, morals, etc., that if applied do good for not only the person who applies it but those around him as well.

This thread is to look over some of those. It doesn't have to be from any one religion but if you think that it's something that if everyone in the world applied it, it would make the world a little better of a place, then tell us.

So any takers?

This argument is defunct in that we know these morals, religious or not we've all heard them, thereby making religion useless at this time by virtue of morality being the reason religion is still needed.

[Shamdeo]

Originally Posted by Alaude Drenxta

This argument is defunct in that we know these morals, religious or not we've all heard them, thereby making religion useless at this time by virtue of morality being the reason religion is still needed.

So religion is useless because we "hear" morals? And religion is not useless because it depends on morality?

[Alaude Drenxta]

Originally Posted by Shamdeo

So religion is useless because we "hear" morals? And religion is not useless because it depends on morality?

Not quite what I meant.

He said religion is important because it has created a set of morals and guidelines for us to live by.

However, my counter was that the religion itself is no longer important, it has already completed the job of teaching and imparting these morals. Now that we know them, it's no longer relevant to follow the religion, if morality is the only reason we need the religion.

It's like staying in school after you've already learned everything they are going to teach you.

[Random Queen]

Honestly, religion only has as much morals as one sees in it.

Example: An extremely religious person obeys everything in the bible, qua'ran, or whatever book or studies any religion has or does.

Someone who is in a highly religious community and aren't religious and go to church just because of a majority of religious people are in their neighborhood, then religious morals do not seem important to that person but they still listen and have their beliefs.

[Forever Atlas]

Originally Posted by Alaude Drenxta

Not quite what I meant.

He said religion is important because it has created a set of morals and guidelines for us to live by.

Did I really say that? I'm almost sure I even said that people without religion have these morals.

However, my counter was that the religion itself is no longer important, it has already completed the job of teaching and imparting these morals. Now that we know them, it's no longer relevant to follow the religion, if morality is the only reason we need the religion.

Morality is far from the only reason for religion. It shouldn't be the reason for religion period. Forms of morality was around before religion even existed.

It's like staying in school after you've already learned everything they are going to teach you.

Like I said above, religion isn't meant to be used only as a moral guide although that is one aspect of some religions.

I mean I didn't really think the OP was that hard to understand.

[Monkey]

Religion is about spirituality and internal peace as much as it is about morality and external peace.

[_EX]

Originally Posted by Random Queen

Honestly, religion only has as much morals as one sees in it.

Example: An extremely religious person obeys everything in the bible, qua'ran, or whatever book or studies any religion has or does.

Someone who is in a highly religious community and aren't religious and go to church just because of a majority of religious people are in their neighborhood, then religious morals do not seem important to that person but they still listen and have their beliefs.

Morals cant be judged like that. There is alot of other factors that go into it. We cant always see the morals of others ,that is true but negative morals shouldnt detract from the action the person uses to express them.

If the Church fully and permanantly changes because of the morals of those who are within it then that is most likely the end of religion. The Church should be one thing that can express itself in different ways but those who are within it shouldnt permanantly change it.

A good Church cannot be changed by those within because of their traits. Those people can only alternate how aspects are expressed by the Church. The fundamentals should always stay the same.