For those who believe in miracles of God.

[Donna da Ragione]

Why would God make miracles for some people who are well-off and not others who are in desperate need?

If God does not intercede to help those that suffer, how can he make miracles?

[Sahrvergnugen]

It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, the fact is that only those who believe in and love Him will get His attention; if you don't believe in a God, or you choose to run from and disobey Him, He's not going to force you to believe in Him or waste His time with someone who isn't going to listen

Que Forever Atlas

[Donna da Ragione]

Originally Posted by Afro Nyokki

It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, the fact is that only those who believe in and love Him will get His attention; if you don't believe in a God, or you choose to run from and disobey Him, He's not going to force you to believe in Him or waste His time with someone who isn't going to listen

Que Forever Atlas

But many third world nations (in Africa especially) are not low on Christians, on the contrary. And yet they are worse off than places with higher non-Christian populations.

What determines whether or not someone will listen? Also, if God is omnipotent, shouldn't he be able to convince anyone?

[Sahrvergnugen]

Originally Posted by Donna da Ragione

But many third world nations (in Africa especially) are not low on Christians, on the contrary. And yet they are worse off than places with higher non-Christian populations.

Well, God has so many reasons for what is going on in Africa, but even in those conditions, those who remain faithful know that they will be relieved of all their earthly pain in heaven, but it's just not our place to question God on what a job He's doing

What determines whether or not someone will listen?

Well, obviously it's the persons decision to listen...

Also, if God is omnipotent, shouldn't he be able to convince anyone?

But He chose to leave it up to us, he wouldn't be a good God if he went around forcing people to believe in Him, nobody would have a free will

[Phoenix]

Well, humans couldn't possible imagine all that God has in store for anyone in as bad conditions as people in Africa, and those who remain faithful will be blessed infinate-fold in heaven, but it's just not our place to question God on what a job He's doing

It is indeed our place to state reality. If you believe in miracles, then why is it that miracles happen to the people that usually need them the least?

[Donna da Ragione]

Originally Posted by Afro Nyokki

Well, humans couldn't possible imagine all that God has in store for anyone

Why not?

those who remain faithful will be blessed infinate-fold in heaven,

How can there be variations in infinity?

but it's just not our place to question God on what a job He's doing

Even if the suffering of nations goes on for centuries or millenia?

Well, obviously it's the persons decision to listen...

But what determines that decision?

But He chose to leave it up to us, he wouldn't be a good God if he went around forcing people to believe in Him, nobody would have a free will

But if God is omnipotent, couldn't he convince people while still maintaining their free will?

[Sahrvergnugen]

Originally Posted by Donna da Ragione

Why not?

Ok, I'm gonna edit that, I guess you can, I just meant that the possibilites for his reasons are almsot endless

How can there be variations in infinity?

I think you saw my point -_-

Even if the suffering of nations goes on for centuries or millenia?

Now, this is just my personal opinion, but I believe that the rapture (as seen in Left Behind) will be not so far away

But what determines that decision?

Well, if you choose to accept Him, then He will speak to you, but you have to willing to listen

But if God is omnipotent, couldn't he convince people while still maintaining their free will?

Yes, he could, but still, he is letting us do it ourselves, why this is, don't ask me

[Donna da Ragione]

Originally Posted by Afro Nyokki

I think you saw my point -_-

I'm making a different one. How can someone be given a greater reward than another if they are both infinitely rewarded?

Now, this is just my personal opinion, but I believe that the rapture (as seen in Left Behind) will be not so far away

Doomsayers are nothing new.

Well, if you choose to accept Him, then He will speak to you, but you have to willing to listen

But what decides whether or not a person is willing?

Yes, he could, but still, he is letting us do it ourselves, why this is, don't ask me

So there is reason to question God.

If God made say, ten different people and created precisely equal factors of life for each of them, the outcome for all of them would be the same. If he is omnipotent, there is no chaotic element beyond his control that determines whether or not a person goes to heaven or hell.

[Sahrvergnugen]

Originally Posted by Donna da Ragione

I'm making a different one. How can someone be given a greater reward than another if they are both infinitely rewarded?

I never said that...Did I?

But what decides whether or not a person is willing?

The person decides whether or not a person is willing

So there is reason to question God.

If God made say, ten different people and created precisely equal factors of life for each of them, the outcome for all of them would be the same. If he is omnipotent, there is no chaotic element beyond his control that determines whether or not a person goes to heaven or hell.

True, there isn't but he chooses to let it be, to give us a choice

[Donna da Ragione]

Originally Posted by Afro Nyokki

I never said that...Did I?

I suppose you edited it out.

The person decides whether or not a person is willing

But what determines that decision? There a cause for every choice which is beyond a person's control.

True, there isn't but he chooses to let it be, to give us a choice

The choice is an illusion. If God created everything, he created every factor to everything, so he determined everything that happens.

Also, even if your paradox is so, he contradicts his wish for everyone to go to heaven. By "giving" us the illusionary choice, he knows and wants people to go to hell.

[The Lionheart]

Originally Posted by Donna da Ragione

Why would God make miracles for some people who are well-off and not others who are in desperate need?

If God does not intercede to help those that suffer, how can he make miracles?

Did God not make the lame man walk, or the blind man see?

Originally Posted by Donna da Ragione

I suppose you edited it out.

None of his posts say that he edited them, so uh no.

[Watson]

Originally Posted by Afro Nyokki

But He chose to leave it up to us, he wouldn't be a good God if he went around forcing people to believe in Him, nobody would have a free will

Either doing what he says or suffering for an eternity...

Doesn't sound very free to me.

[The Lionheart]

Originally Posted by Lifeline

Either doing what he says or suffering for an eternity...

Doesn't sound very free to me.

But you still get to choose. You can choose to break a law, but in the end, you'll more than likely have to suffer the consequences for it.

[Watson]

Originally Posted by The Lionheart

But you still get to choose. You can choose to break a law, but in the end, you'll more than likely have to suffer the consequences for it.

Do what I say. Nice law.

[Donna da Ragione]

Originally Posted by The Lionheart

Did God not make the lame man walk, or the blind man see?

Outside of the Bible? Nope.

None of his posts say that he edited them, so uh no.

Originally Posted by The Lionheart

But you still get to choose. You can choose to break a law, but in the end, you'll more than likely have to suffer the consequences for it.

I love these two quotes because it shows that you skimmed through this thread.

http://forums.khinsider.com/religiou...ml#post4168292

Originally Posted by Afro Nyokki

Ok, I'm gonna edit that

Also, again, the choice is an illusion.