Why would a God involve itself in human affairs?

[Zion]

It occurred to me that a being that is omnipotent would be of a more carefree nature, and one that creates, would simply create endlessly, just as a microorganism, or an organism in general multiplies itself. What makes a God become involved with that of human affairs aside from everything it creates. With so much in the universe why is Earth considered a center of all the problems a God must involve itself within. Looking through our history I realized that we as human destroy everything we create, and for a God to involve in these affairs would make that being more human than inhuman. For something so perfect, and something that cannot be explained even in the most complex of research i have come to realize that God seems just as human as any man, and woman on this earth. He gives ppl the freedom to make choices, as opposed to his angels, and yet his wrath explained in the Bible doesn't escape the wrath he set upon his angels that followed his right wing, Lucifer. What makes God, God. is it because we can't see it? is it because we don't understand it? or is it because it is bigger,and more powerful than us? The more i look into its involvement with human affairs the more God becomes less omnipotent, and more human.

this isn't a question of whether God is real or not, but rather on what makes him a God
that confuses me.

[∞]

God would involve himself in human affairs because, in summary, he's an overprotective parent who can't learn to let go of a single species when he's created millions of others and let them go.

[Alaude Drenxta]

It would have to be the "all-powerful creator" part, no contest. Were it not for that loophole, God would merely be "the first human".

[Zion]

So then what makes a god so concerned over the fates of our actions?
Doesn't that hinder the idea of "all powerful"?

[risingfalls]

Ennui.
Even an omnipotent being can't escape it.

It would have to be the "all-powerful creator" part, no contest. Were it not for that loophole, God would merely be "the first human"

Sounds about right.

[Zion]

Originally Posted by risingfalls

Ennui.
Even an omnipotent being can't escape it.

i wouldn't think an omnipotent being felt bored...
sounds like a human emotion caused from a lack of interest.

i guess it's an all powerful feeling of boredom.
It's funny though, in this perception:

Me: Ah dude i'm dead
God: Pretty much
Me: I didn't do anything wrong, and i've been a pretty decent person
God: yup
Me: So....uh, where are the pearly white gates, and the shimmering gold floors, etc.
God: Dude....what? those are just materialistic things you people find value in, why would i create
a lair filled with metal and rocks?
Me: what about all the stuff you said, and advised?
God: Ah dude, i was hella bored :>
God: hey did you like your girlfriends ass? that was all me bro, that was all me
Me: :<

[Alaude Drenxta]

Originally Posted by ‡ƵionΡhnӾ‡

So then what makes a god so concerned over the fates of our actions?
Doesn't that hinder the idea of "all powerful"?

No, it isn't so much "concern" in relation to his own safety, but, as they say, it is because "He" loves us.

[risingfalls]

Originally Posted by ‡ƵionΡhnӾ‡

i wouldn't think an omnipotent being felt bored...
sounds like a human emotion caused from a lack of interest.

i guess it's an all powerful feeling of boredom.
It's funny though, in this perception:

Me: Ah dude i'm dead
God: Pretty much
Me: I didn't do anything wrong, and i've been a pretty decent person
God: yup
Me: So....uh, where are the pearly white gates, and the shimmering gold floors, etc.
God: Dude....what? those are just materialistic things you people find value in, why would i create
a lair filled with metal and rocks?
Me: what about all the stuff you said, and advised?
God: Ah dude, i was hella bored :>

PRETTY MUCH.

God: hey did you like your girlfriends ass? that was all me bro, that was all me[
Me: :<

i giggled
i suppose that endlessly creating things must get tedious after a while. hence the ennui comment.

But yeah, the only thing i can really agree with is

It would have to be the "all-powerful creator" part, no contest. Were it not for that loophole, God would merely be "the first human".

yeah that

I don't know, the thought of God being "the first human" sort of made me think that God is pretty much like us, only with the power to create and destroy entire universes. [see there goes that all powerful creator part] And because of that, god gets to define what is perfect. And his creations must adhere to the standard of perfection set. So maybe that's what makes him omnipotent?
If we were to go by the christian perception of god, then it's not like god is some emotionless, stoic being...god feels envy, and is capable of compassion.
So for a god that feels something to intervene in the affairs of humans wouldn't be too out of character.

[Zion]

and why does it love us? because we where created by it?
there has to be more to that. If it created a vast universe, or
even the animals on our planet, shouldn't it love all that it creates,
besides the actions of one species?

[Aucune Raison]

We as humans put so much emphasis on ourselves as a species and the planet we live on. So we assume that we are important. If there is a sentient God (who acts as a creator, destroyer, and maintainer), it would spread equal concern over everything in the universe.

[risingfalls]

Originally Posted by ‡ƵionΡhnӾ‡

and why does it love us? because we where created by it?
there has to be more to that. If it created a vast universe, or
even the animals on our planet, shouldn't it love all that it creates,
besides the actions of one species?

Well because we were created in God's own image, unlike the rest of creation. [at least that's the reason given]
I suppose the only comparison I could make is a parent's love for their own child; something different from how said parent would feel about a close friend or a dog or something.

And I guess the defining factor between animals and god would be that we have free will, animals don't. So it's not that god doesn't love animals, it's just that only the actions of humans are of any interest to him because they are of our own choice. Humans can choose to obey and worship him, animals can't.

But that's assuming we're going on the Christian portrayal of God.

There's always the possibility that any god that does exist really doesn't give a shit.

Trying to figure out the reasoning of an omnipotent being is so much fun at 3 something in the morning, right?

[Zion]

{double post}

[Zion]

LOL, it's only 1 in the morning here in Washington State,
and also i have some interesting thoughts from Albert Einstein to present

1. Albert Einstein: God is a Product of Human Weakness

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954

2. Albert Einstein & Spinoza's God: Harmony in the Universe

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

- Albert Einstein, responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein's question "Do you believe in God?" quoted in: Has Science Found God?, by Victor J Stenger

3. Albert Einstein: It is a Lie that I Believe in a Personal God

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

4. Albert Einstein: Human Fantasy Created Gods

During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world.

- Albert Einstein, quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief, James Haught


5. Albert Einstein: Idea of a Personal God is Childlike

I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2

6. Albert Einstein: Idea of a Personal God Cannot be Taken Seriously

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

7. Albert Einstein: Desire for Guidance & Love Creates Belief in Gods

The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God. This is the God of Providence, who protects, disposes, rewards, and punishes; the God who, according to the limits of the believer's outlook, loves and cherishes the life of the tribe or of the human race, or even or life itself; the comforter in sorrow and unsatisfied longing; he who preserves the souls of the dead. This is the social or moral conception of God.

- Albert Einstein, New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

8. Albert Einstein: Morality Concerns Humanity, Not Gods

I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.

- Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

9. Albert Einstein: Scientists Can Hardly Believe in Prayers to Supernatural Beings

Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.

- Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray; quoted in: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffmann

10. Albert Einstein: Few Rise Above Anthropomorphic Gods

Common to all these types is the anthropomorphic character of their conception of God. In general, only individuals of exceptional endowments, and exceptionally high-minded communities, rise to any considerable extent above this level. But there is a third stage of religious experience which belongs to all of them, even though it is rarely found in a pure form: I shall call it cosmic religious feeling. It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it, especially as there is no anthropomorphic conception of God corresponding to it.

- Albert Einstein, New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

11. Albert Einstein: Concept of a Personal God is the Main Source of Conflict

Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. ...

- Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)

12. Albert Einstein: Divine Will Cannot Cause Natural Events

The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exist as an independent cause of natural events. ...

- Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)

[risingfalls]

So basically we've established that Einstein didn't think god would interfere in the affairs of human lives, if god exists; God only delves in the affairs of humans because it's comforting to think that an omnipotent being can play the hero and save us from our petty problems, which is a sign of human weakness.

Have you managed to find your answer yet?

[Zion]

no, it is still conflicting to me....
although the idea of ppl creating God in their
image, and thus that role being reversed raises
quite an interest. I would actually believe the
answer to be that we are our own God, and that
we create, we destroy, we feel envy, sympathy,
love, hatred, and sadness. We judge ppl, and
anything that is of a lesser equal is of a lesser
importance to those who define it that way. I would
say that an interesting loophole is that man created
man that would derive from his image....

I leave this to anyone who would share their ideals on
this matter, which again the question being "why God
is generally concerned of human affairs over the whole
universe", and generally what makes him God.