"Christianity is wrong..."

[Teiku 5]

So i posted in this other thread and it gave me the idea to do this. I am a Christian (for the past 4 years, im 16 now) who believes wholeheartedly in the Bible and to this day (with some explanation on certain points).

The purpose of this thread will be for anyone to present their problems with Christianity, why they think Christianity is wrong on a certain point, w/e. I will then respond with my answer to your problem.

NOTE: I don't intend to say that people are stupid or wrong or bad or any demeaning thing like that. But because of society and some churches, Christianity has become skewed and people have the gotten the wrong view about it because of certain experiences.

I expect debates and anybody who enjoys good intellectual discussion should definitely post.

Start flaming....lol.

[Angel]

Christianity (again, I speak mainly about Catholicism) is wrong because despite all their talk of tolerating sinners, for the most part they are quite INtolerant. And I guess hippocracy goes hand in hand with this.

My mother once caught hints of my bisexuality, and this resulted in the only night I've ever actually felt a need to fear one of my parents. And, (this might be part of other religions, too, but whatever. I'll say it anyway:) an intolerance for atheists. My mother almost exploded when I told her I might not believe in God anymore, and my cousin, (who, thank goodness, is much more levelheaded,) was shocked, but he accepts my decision.

[Shadow Soldier]

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Also... religion is a joke. You shouldn't have to believe a book that was written years ago. I stopped believing in it because it always gets updated and we're expected to believe it? No. So I stopped being a Christian.

[Chevalier Sombre]

I stopped believing in it because it always gets updated and we're expected to believe it? No. So I stopped being a Christian.

Although I usually don't present this to support christianity, just because something's constantly changing doesn't necessarily mean it's silly to believe in it.

Scientific findings constantly changes, but when they change it's for the better. With each change, we come closer to the truth.

I can't really say the same for christianity though. If anything the Bible's been edited for the worse.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Angelus

Christianity (again, I speak mainly about Catholicism) is wrong because despite all their talk of tolerating sinners, for the most part they are quite INtolerant. And I guess hippocracy goes hand in hand with this.

My mother once caught hints of my bisexuality, and this resulted in the only night I've ever actually felt a need to fear one of my parents. And, (this might be part of other religions, too, but whatever. I'll say it anyway:) an intolerance for atheists. My mother almost exploded when I told her I might not believe in God anymore, and my cousin, (who, thank goodness, is much more levelheaded,) was shocked, but he accepts my decision.

Well, what's your definition of tolerance?

I mean, to accept the existence of a sin is one thing, while the acceptance of a sin's practice is entirely another. Funny thing is, this is only related to the issues that people disagree with. Things like murder, stealing, etc, Christianity is spot on, then the rest is attacked like it is the utmost evil.

Originally Posted by Chevalier Sombre

Uh, when was it updated?

He's either referring to the Pope (who's words are basically supposed to be "scripture") or multiple modern translations.

[Angel]

Originally Posted by kazukifafner

Well, what's your definition of tolerance?

accepting the person, which, in my experience, has never been done.

I mean, to except the existence of a sin is one thing, while the acceptance of a sin's practice is entirely another. Funny thing is, this is only related to the issues that people disagree with. Things like murder, stealing, etc, Christianity is spot on, then the rest is attacked like it is the utmost evil.

well that's because it's common sense.

[New2Ya]

Religion has the tendency to attract weak people. Christianity is no different. That's why I think it can be very dangerous. Weak people seek a specific comfort that they think they need. It makes them even weaker, resulting in a lie they're living in. One they can't seem to get out.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Angelus

accepting the person, which, in my experience, has never been done.

Hmm, well, the proper response is to still accept the person and love them regardless. However, that doesn't mean that you have to be okay with their sin.

well that's because it's common sense.

What makes it common sense? By the way, if you are wondering what I mean by that, I'm basically using the perspective of Antinomianism (the belief that there are no moral norms, at all) for that question.

Morality is a collection of beliefs that one, well, believes to be true. By a Moral Relativist standard, common sense has nothing to do with it. The things that may not seem like "common sense" to you might make perfect sense to another.

[Shadow Soldier]

Originally Posted by kazukifafner

He's either referring to the Pope (who's words are basically supposed to be "scripture") or multiple modern translations.

No. I don't mind it being updated or "modernized" so people of this generation can understand it better, but they keep adding shit to it and why do we have to believe it?

This is my view. Religion is just all about who can get the most people into their religion so they can say to the other religions that they're religion is better. Christianity is a joke now considering when you go to a church, you have to pay to be in that church. And "decent" Bibles costing over 50 dollars, it's an absolute rip off.

[Angel]

Originally Posted by kazukifafner

Hmm, well, the proper response is to still accept the person and love them regardless. However, that doesn't mean that you have to be okay with their sin.

the sinner becomes associated with it, so in a way, if you hate the sin, then you end up hating the sinner. the sad circle of religion.

What makes it common sense? By the way, if you are wondering what I mean by that, I'm basically using the perspective of Antinomianism (the belief that there are no moral norms, at all) for that question.

Because. Killing someone is wrong. You take away their life. End of story.

Morality is a collection of beliefs that one, well, believes to be true. By a Moral Relativist standard, common sense has nothing to do with it. The things that may not seem like "common sense" to you might make perfect sense to another.

I have no problems with a majority of Christian morals. What i do NOT like, however, are the silly little ones (homosexuality, example. Not making babies is not morally wrong.)

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Shadow Soldier

No. I don't mind it being updated or "modernized" so people of this generation can understand it better, but they keep adding shit to it and why do we have to believe it?

This is my view. Religion is just all about who can get the most people into their religion so they can say to the other religions that they're religion is better. Christianity is a joke now considering when you go to a church, you have to pay to be in that church. And "decent" Bibles costing over 50 dollars, it's an absolute rip off.

Yes, I will admit that the mindset of modern Christians (in general, of course) has gone downhill. The influence of their surrounding culture, especially taking the internet into account, is particularly powerful, and adds an even stronger dose of hypocrisy than usual. It's really unfortunate, to say the least.

However, I'm still not quite sure what you mean by "adding" to it. Granted, some Bible translations paraphrase more than others (which is why I tend to stick to NKJV and NASB), but I've never really come across the blatant addition of something that wasn't there.

[Chevalier Sombre]

What makes it common sense? By the way, if you are wondering what I mean by that, I'm basically using the perspective of Antinomianism (the belief that there are no moral norms, at all) for that question.

Morality is a collection of beliefs that one, well, believes to be true. By a Moral Relativist standard, common sense has nothing to do with it. The things that may not seem like "common sense" to you might make perfect sense to another.

The basic things like murder, theft, rape, etc are, in most cases, detrimental to most societies; regardless of what the dominant religion is, most of them uphold that much. It's a natural part of establishing order.

Morals stem from that, and well, emotions. If we didn't have them, we wouldn't care about any of that.

[Shadow Soldier]

Originally Posted by kazukifafner

Yes, I will admit that the mindset of modern Christians (in general, of course) has gone downhill. The influence of their surrounding culture, especially taking the internet into account, is particularly powerful, and adds an even stronger dose of hypocrisy than usual. It's really unfortunate, to say the least.

However, I'm still not quite sure what you mean by "adding" to it. Granted, some Bible translations paraphrase more than others (which is why I tend to stick to NKJV and NASB), but I've never really come across the blatant addition of something that wasn't there.

Come to where I live. You see Bibles that are constantly getting stuff added to them, it's pathetic. It's all so some dude or some company can make some money.

[Teiku 5]

Originally Posted by Angelus

Christianity (again, I speak mainly about Catholicism) is wrong because despite all their talk of tolerating sinners, for the most part they are quite INtolerant. And I guess hippocracy goes hand in hand with this.

My mother once caught hints of my bisexuality, and this resulted in the only night I've ever actually felt a need to fear one of my parents. And, (this might be part of other religions, too, but whatever. I'll say it anyway:) an intolerance for atheists. My mother almost exploded when I told her I might not believe in God anymore, and my cousin, (who, thank goodness, is much more levelheaded,) was shocked, but he accepts my decision.

Ok you got two things there: first, tolerance of sexuality (lets just say sin). like i said in the first post, this is much more of a church problem, than a christianity problem. unfortunately so many people have been turned away from it because of situations like this. you are not supposed to hate anyone to start with but you can be unhappy with their actions. the person dealing with the problematic sin should seek help and that will be that. the second side to this issue is that if the sin continues that the person is supposed to be expelled from the church if they have no desire to change. but a person who is trying to fight temptation, should always be tolerated.

tolerance of other religions: well obviously christians aren't going to believe any other religion because its wrong according the Bible, there's no way around that. the answer is not for the person to explode. fire and brimstone sermons might have worked in the past but now-a-days it's a failure. the person is supposed to pray for the person of another religion that they will come to know Christ and be kind to that person in showing God's love.

Originally Posted by Shadow Soldier

Also... religion is a joke. You shouldn't have to believe a book that was written years ago. I stopped believing in it because it always gets updated and we're expected to believe it? No. So I stopped being a Christian.

First off, the Bible is in complete agreeance with itself. For people that will say, "then how come you couldn't do this then but you can now?" i think of the American constitution. Things change! The only major difference between old and new testament is the coming of christ which also changed the mosaic law (the ceremonial, or sacrificial, and the civil law is no longer needed, but the MORAL law remains).

would you still like to use one of those computers from 10, 20, 30 years ago?? its still a computer and the only change is it has been added to in order to improve people's use and understanding of it.

Originally Posted by kazukifafner

He's either referring to the Pope (who's words are basically supposed to be "scripture") or multiple modern translations.

one of the things i dissagree with Catholicism. its great that catholics were the founding church, but corrupt people in it screwed alot of stuff up.

Originally Posted by New2Ya

Religion has the tendency to attract weak people. Christianity is no different. That's why I think it can be very dangerous. Weak people seek a specific comfort that they think they need. It makes them even weaker, resulting in a lie they're living in. One they can't seem to get out.

how has Chrisitanity ever made a person weaker in your life, personally? because i really don't understand where you're coming from.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Angelus

the sinner becomes associated with it, so in a way, if you hate the sin, then you end up hating the sinner. the sad circle of religion.

Admittedly, it is a difficult cycle to break, but it isn't impossible. I know fellow Christian's who don't harbor hatred towards homosexuals. Of course, hatred generally stems towards the sin that you have the most problem with to begin with. For example, of all the sins that disgust me, rape is at the top. I have the most difficult time getting past that than with anything else. Nonetheless, it's still something that I feel is necessary.

Because. Killing someone is wrong. You take away their life. End of story.

What makes their life that valuable? What if they weren't that good of a person? What if they themselves were doing something that you didn't like?

I'm not disagreeing with you about murder, I just ask these questions to get people to think about exactly why they believe something and their basis for it. For me, "Thou shalt not murder." is a rather direct basis. Of course, I have reasons that I believe the Bible to be true, but that is an entirely different (and lengthy) conversation that I don't really feel like getting into right now.

I have no problems with a majority of Christian morals. What i do NOT like, however, are the silly little ones (homosexuality, example. Not making babies is not morally wrong.)

Again, just like above, only questions for thought. What makes them silly? Is it simply because you disagree with them? Is it because you find you would rather participate in a certain action, and therefore say that it's right?