Science and the Bible

[canito_q]

A lot of things in the bible are proven by science, the rest, I'll go for midnight star's post

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Any examples please. I can claim things too, doesn't mean they're true.

[Phoenix]

A lot of things in the bible are proven by science, the rest, I'll go for midnight star's post

And a lot of things in the Bible have been proven false by science, what's your point?

[Forever Atlas]

^ As in? What has science PROVEN for a fact to be incorrect?

[Phoenix]

^ As in? What has science PROVEN for a fact to be incorrect?

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

How many feet do insects have, F_A?

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

How many feet do insects have, F_A?

I swear to god phoenix did I not explain this to you many centuries ago?

[Phoenix]

I swear to god phoenix did I not explain this to you many centuries ago?

Possibly, who knows? Humor me.

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Possibly, who knows? Humor me.

The scientific definition of an 'insect' had only been established, I don't know, several thousands of years after this passage was written. Hence the amount of legs a creature had wasn't in any way related to the way they named those creatures. And for the lack of a better comprehendible translation for that definition, the word 'insect' is used in english, even though it may not be scientifically correct if it had been written in the past few years.

[daxter fan]

Originally Posted by wu tang goku

^yes that is a good post

90+% of the bible is metaphor. The parables especially can be interpretted in many ways because they have layered meanings.

You say that only because you try to convince yourself the bible is somewhat meaningful. The bible is a collection of stories, tales and mythes the same as it had been created in any nation at those times: The aztec, roman, greek ,maya and much more are an example.
The bible says that god created earth in seven days, it also says that snakes eat dirt, and it also says that the earth is flat. Can you explain those metaphorical "facts"?

[Aucune Raison]

wu tang isn't a Christian, but I'll defend them for once by saying that God's days aren't the same as Earth's days, and four corners meant the difference places of the world, I think, it didn't directly say that it was flat. I don't know about the snakes though, maybe it was a mistranslation from things that live in the ground. Of course, when the OT was written people probably didn't know much about snakes.

[gramp anime scholar]

Fun fact: Science doesn't prove anything.

[Grass]

Originally Posted by daxter fan

You say that only because you try to convince yourself the bible is somewhat meaningful. The bible is a collection of stories, tales and mythes the same as it had been created in any nation at those times: The aztec, roman, greek ,maya and much more are an example.
The bible says that god created earth in seven days, it also says that snakes eat dirt, and it also says that the earth is flat. Can you explain those metaphorical "facts"?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one here is trying to prove that everything in the Bible is right. Men are not infallible. It DOES, after all, come from the same species that spawned people who think science can disprove things.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

And a lot of things in the Bible have been proven false by science, what's your point?

Science doesn't disprove. It seeks explanations. Anyone who's looking at the Bible and trying to disprove it is nothing short of foolish. Religion in itself is entirely beyond the realm of science, leaving the concept of trying to ever "disprove" it scientifically redundant.

[Phoenix]

Science doesn't disprove. It seeks explanations. Anyone who's looking at the Bible and trying to disprove it is nothing short of foolish. Religion in itself is entirely beyond the realm of science, leaving the concept of trying to ever "disprove" it scientifically redundant.

Didn't science prove false that spontaneous generation is bunk? Or that there are 4 elements in the world?

The scientific definition of an 'insect' had only been established, I don't know, several thousands of years after this passage was written. Hence the amount of legs a creature had wasn't in any way related to the way they named those creatures. And for the lack of a better comprehendible translation for that definition, the word 'insect' is used in english, even though it may not be scientifically correct if it had been written in the past few years.

So what thing that crawls on 4 feet do you know of?

[wu tang goku]

Originally Posted by daxter fan

You say that only because you try to convince yourself the bible is somewhat meaningful.

and you refute it trying to convince yourself it is meaningless. what's the difference? Are you going to try to convince yourself that something like The Odyssey has no meaning? The Glass Menagerie? The Bible has meaning in the same way that any work of fiction/nonfiction tries to convey.

Whether what is said in the book really happened or not is not important.

The bible is a collection of stories, tales and mythes the same as it had been created in any nation at those times: The aztec, roman, greek ,maya and much more are an example.

Yes indeed. and the authors are trying to tell their religious experiences through stories, it's the same thing.

The bible says that god created earth in seven days, it also says that snakes eat dirt, and it also says that the earth is flat. Can you explain those metaphorical "facts"?

Numbers have importance amongst the Jewish people, seven being one of the figures that means something along the lines of (and I paraphrase) "perfection" or "most complete" or something. But I am not sure, I have not studied Old Testament that hardcore.

while i cant tell you off the top of my head for the rest of those "examples" I can give you one example: the 40 years in the desert. I recall being taught that there are certain recurrences of numbers throughout the book that mean certain things, for example how we traditionally see the number 13 as "unlucky." "Forty years" just means "a really long fucking time." Let's say you are lifting something, and it is really heavy to you. You might say "Geez, this thing weighs a million pounds!" Same thing here.

Can you explain those metaphorical "facts"?

quoting this again because i dont think you realize what you wrote

[Forever Atlas]

Originally Posted by daxter fan

The bible says that god created earth in seven days,

It never said how long those seven "days" were however.

it also says that snakes eat dirt, and it also says that the earth is flat. Can you explain those metaphorical "facts"?

Please provide the scriptures that say those things