I have a question...concerning Scientology...

Santuary · January 5th, 2009, 11:08 PM

Well, I'v heard that according to beliefs in Scientology, they don't believe that the mental condition "Autism" exists, that it's not real (Another thing I heard is that they believe people with disabilities, and homosexuals are "lesser beings").

This never really became that much of an issue with me until I heard about the whole situation involving John Travolta's son. Jett Travolta was diagnosed from a young age with "Kawasaki disease" (And it was even believed that he had autism) but from what I heard, the church of Scienology refused to acknowledge this. And of course as you all know, Jett Travolta suffered from a seizure, collapsed and hit his head on the side of a bath, and was killed.

So because of all this stuff I'v heard, I'v sort of developed somewhat of...a grudge towards Scientologists (For example, I'm not a big fan of Tom Cruise). There are people I'v never had a grudge against, I'v never really had anything against John Travolta, sure I'v known about his starring roles in "Saturday Night Fever" and "Grease" (I'v never actually watched those films, but I know about them) and I was kinda looking forward to seeing the new Disney movie, "Bolt" (It doesn't hit the UK till Febuary) but know, to be honest, I'm a little put off...

And another thing, I only just found out that Nancy Cartright (Bart Simpson) is a scientologist. Nancy is a person I'v always respected, because of her role as Bart, but I only just found out, and my first reaction was along the lines of "NO!! NOT NANCY!!"
Not that this is relivent, this I'm just using this as an example...

Anyway, I started the discussion talking about them not believing Autism, this is in fact because...I have Asbergers Syndrome. This is something on the "Autistic Spectrum" as they call it, which is reletively low down, meaning I'm not the sort of person who you'd describe as..."a big retard" (Thats probobly not very politically correct, but I couldn't find any other word to get my point across). I'm pretty much just like any other person, the only differences being it's not very easy for me to socialise with people, I'm shy, if you like...

Anyway, back on subject...

I kind of have a small hatred for Scientologists mostly because of this, but is this something I should really take to heart so much? I mean, it's not like they think people like me are worthless, does it?

Anyway, I'v rambled long enough.

Someone please help me, I'm so confused... D':

JUST FOR THE RECORD: This is NOT being posted with the intention of being a hate thread, if anyone here is Scientologist, I have nothing against you personally...

**Forever Atlas** · January 5th, 2009, 11:16 PM

My advice is plain and simple. Do not take it personally.

Reika Noko · January 5th, 2009, 11:19 PM

Wait, so just because some celebrities are Scientologists, you become intimidated by them just because of their religion?

If that's the case, that's kinda racist. You shouldn't dislike someone just because of their religion. It's their own choice and you have no business or right that you should take that choice away or dislike them for that sole reason only. If person is alright, no matter what strong beliefs they follow through, that fact shouldn't matter. Personally, I pretty much joke about how Scientology is a big scam, but despite that, I would rather look into their good qualities then being against the ones I dislike. Besides, those might probably be the strong believers in Scientology. There's such a person that laxes on the laws of their religion. So don't overreact to it.

Santuary · January 5th, 2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reika Noko

Wait, so just because some celebrities are Scientologists, you become intimidated by them just because of their religion?

Not necciserly celebraties, just people I'd have respect for (The same way I'd have respect for people I know in real life) that didn't sound weird did it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reika Noko

If that's the case, that's kinda racist. You shouldn't dislike someone just because of their religion.

Thats why I'm confused...it doesn't matter what religion a person is, I still except them. But say for example, I met someone who was scientologist and became friends with them, I'd try to be as friendly as possible, but I'd still feel as if...theres something there...I'd be good friends with them, but at the same time a resent him/her, because they believe that the main thing that really makes my life difficult doesn't even exist, making me feel as if a major part of my identity isn't even real. I hate resentment, it's one of the worst feelings there is...

The last thing I wanted to come off as is racist...I just...ahh...

Naryx15 · January 5th, 2009, 11:44 PM

I heard Scientology ruins lives.

Reika Noko · January 5th, 2009, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever Atlas

My advice is plain and simple. Do not take it personally.

^This then.

You shouldn't take it personally. Seems kind of...unjust to dislike them for that reason only...

**Angel** · January 6th, 2009, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reika Noko

^This then.

You shouldn't take it personally. Seems kind of...unjust to dislike them for that reason only...

What about this?

They have a [s]fortress[/s] hotel, where devout Scientologists go and [s]are murdered[/s] commit suicide and leave LARGE sums of money to the Church of Scientology.

Santuary · January 6th, 2009, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamak93

What about this?

They have a [s]fortress[/s] hotel, where devout Scientologists go and [s]are murdered[/s] commit suicide and leave LARGE sums of money to the Church of Scientology.

Okay, even I know thats completely untrue (Is it? Of course it is)

Reika Noko · January 6th, 2009, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamak93

What about this?

They have a [s]fortress[/s] hotel, where devout Scientologists go and [s]are murdered[/s] commit suicide and leave LARGE sums of money to the Church of Scientology.

LOL

A "money scam by Scientologists" joke, eh?

**Angel** · January 6th, 2009, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santuary

Okay, even I know thats completely untrue (Is it? Of course it is)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reika Noko

LOL

A "money scam by Scientologists" joke, eh?

YouTube - The Un-Funny TRUTH about Scientology

Gotta love the YouTube.

I won't say they DIDN'T commit suicide, but I won't say they weren't murdered, either.

(It's called the Fort Harrison Hotel)

Santuary · January 6th, 2009, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamak93

I won't say they DIDN'T commit suicide, but I won't say they weren't murdered, either.

0_________________0

Reika Noko · January 6th, 2009, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamak93

YouTube - The Un-Funny TRUTH about Scientology

Gotta love the YouTube.

I won't say they DIDN'T commit suicide, but I won't say they weren't murdered, either.

(It's called the Fort Harrison Hotel)

Mary Sue?! Haha.

But on a serious topic, that's some scary shit right there...

**Angel** · January 6th, 2009, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santuary

0_________________0

You didn't get the hint, did you?

shinysilver · January 6th, 2009, 03:16 AM

That video is disturbing :/

I don't know much about scientology, except for a run in with a group of them three or so years ago in Denver on a school trip and they tried forever to get us to buy this book and finally they just gave my friend this bag full of pamphlets that made no sense.

∞ · January 6th, 2009, 06:30 AM

I knew Scientologiists could seem unusual, but that video brings it under a new light.

Also, having a religion with 'science' in it's name? Is it there because it's sci-fi, or are these people actually trying to be scientific.

January 5th, 2009, 11:08 PM	#1
Santuary Organization Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Somewhere in a joint existance between Twilight Town and the Valley of Peace Age: 17 Posts: 808 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	I have a question...concerning Scientology... Well, I'v heard that according to beliefs in Scientology, they don't believe that the mental condition "Autism" exists, that it's not real (Another thing I heard is that they believe people with disabilities, and homosexuals are "lesser beings"). This never really became that much of an issue with me until I heard about the whole situation involving John Travolta's son. Jett Travolta was diagnosed from a young age with "Kawasaki disease" (And it was even believed that he had autism) but from what I heard, the church of Scienology refused to acknowledge this. And of course as you all know, Jett Travolta suffered from a seizure, collapsed and hit his head on the side of a bath, and was killed. So because of all this stuff I'v heard, I'v sort of developed somewhat of...a grudge towards Scientologists (For example, I'm not a big fan of Tom Cruise). There are people I'v never had a grudge against, I'v never really had anything against John Travolta, sure I'v known about his starring roles in "Saturday Night Fever" and "Grease" (I'v never actually watched those films, but I know about them) and I was kinda looking forward to seeing the new Disney movie, "Bolt" (It doesn't hit the UK till Febuary) but know, to be honest, I'm a little put off... And another thing, I only just found out that Nancy Cartright (Bart Simpson) is a scientologist. Nancy is a person I'v always respected, because of her role as Bart, but I only just found out, and my first reaction was along the lines of "NO!! NOT NANCY!!" Not that this is relivent, this I'm just using this as an example... Anyway, I started the discussion talking about them not believing Autism, this is in fact because...I have Asbergers Syndrome. This is something on the "Autistic Spectrum" as they call it, which is reletively low down, meaning I'm not the sort of person who you'd describe as..."a big retard" (Thats probobly not very politically correct, but I couldn't find any other word to get my point across). I'm pretty much just like any other person, the only differences being it's not very easy for me to socialise with people, I'm shy, if you like... Anyway, back on subject... I kind of have a small hatred for Scientologists mostly because of this, but is this something I should really take to heart so much? I mean, it's not like they think people like me are worthless, does it? Anyway, I'v rambled long enough. Someone please help me, I'm so confused... D': JUST FOR THE RECORD: This is NOT being posted with the intention of being a hate thread, if anyone here is Scientologist, I have nothing against you personally...

January 5th, 2009, 11:44 PM	#5
Naryx15 Dual Wielder Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Florida Age: 14 Posts: 556 Rep Power: 2 Level: EXP:	Re: I have a question...concerning Scientology... I heard Scientology ruins lives.

January 6th, 2009, 03:16 AM	#14
shinysilver Nobody Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wyoming Age: 18 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 1 Level: EXP:	Re: I have a question...concerning Scientology... That video is disturbing :/ I don't know much about scientology, except for a run in with a group of them three or so years ago in Denver on a school trip and they tried forever to get us to buy this book and finally they just gave my friend this bag full of pamphlets that made no sense.

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