Creationism/Intelligent Design in Schools

[HadesDragon]

To mods: if this is in the wrong section, please move it.

So what are your stances on the matter? Personally, I don't really approve of it: particularly if it's just one being taught. Fortunately, it's outlawed. =D

There is absolutely no reason for it to be taught there, really; it's something completely devoid of proof, relying solely on the actions of a supernatural agent. It's not a science, it fails to qualify as one in every possible way.

And before anyone gets started with all the "lol evolution is just a theory" crap, gravity is a "theory". So is electromagnetism, and relativity, and so on and so forth. Yet all of them are taught in schools. Doesn't that raise a red flag?

Thing is, most people don't even know what a theory is in this particular context.

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Basically, a theory is as close as things come to fact. The theory of relativity is a set of principles and postulates to help explain the phenomenon of relativity. And the theory of evolution is a set of principles and postulates to help explain the phenomenon of evolution. It's as much as of fact as all the other scientific phenomena.

Evolution forms the basis of modern biology; taking it away is like taking away gravity from physics. It doesn't exist.

Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for it not to be taught in schools.

Also, Big Bang doesn't have anything to do with evolution: that's physics. Don't try and put the two in the same boat.

Just getting that out of the way first.

Anyway, there are plenty of other places you can go to learn about it. It's not opression in the least. Of course, it'd be different if children were taught various different types of creationism, exposed to all of those beliefs, but that's seldom the case.

So, in my view, either no creationism, or all of them. Fair is fair.

Thoughts? Sorry if I offended anyone. =P

[Elegant Esthetics]

Wait, so you want them to teach that 'god' made everything?

[HadesDragon]

Well, uh, a lot of people do. Most of the population in America, as a matter of fact, and I bet where I live it's not much different.

[Forever Atlas]

=/ another thread on this?? xDDD lol.... O.o yeah well.... sure intelligent design shouldnt be taught in PUBLIC schools. Only because everyone has different beliefs yada yada... and creation (there is a difference) shouldnt be taught because there are millions of different creation accounts, and that would just not work lol.... but then again, Evolution isnt infallible either and is called a theory for a reason... not everyone is for it... but if they want to teach it, thats fine, if not w/e lol doesnt make a difference either way to me. If people want to find out how life got here, they should probably just do their own research anyway, not just listen to what they hear others say. If they really want to know, they will search for answers.

[Elegant Esthetics]

They are not allowed to teach that a god made the earth and the universe in American schools, so that's out.

[New2Ya]

I'm not against a few lessons explaining on how others believe in for example Intelligent Design. Meaning, also other beliefs (say, Aboriginals for example with the dream-stories) that is.

However, Evolution is closer to fact than theory (yes officially its a theory, but thing is, evolution takes place every second, and we can observe it every second) thus it needs to be learned as how the world really came to existance.

That's my take on it.

[HadesDragon]

Originally Posted by Smooth

but then again, Evolution isnt infallible either and is called a theory for a reason...not everyone is for it...

It appears that you did not read the OP, in which I stated that all other major and minor scientific phenomena are "theories" as well, yet they are taught in schools.

Fact is: evolution is the base of modern biology as the most plausible explanation for biodiversity and the origin of all living beings. You CANNOT teach Biology in schools without teaching evolution, regardless of how many "are for it" or not.

[All-Star Gamer]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Well, uh, a lot of people do. Most of the population in America, as a matter of fact, and I bet where I live it's not much different.

I think you got a little mixed up here HD. This may have been a big deal a while back, but people for and against teaching intelligent design in school has always been a small margin of the population of the American population. The rest of us either are indifferent or just don't really care.

Me, I think the whole deal is a load of bull crud. There is no point of teaching intelligent design at all, as it has nothing that can be applied outside school and in the real life. The entire point of school is to prepare people for the outside world, and there really is no proffesion where intelligent design would be relavent.

[Darkly Aesthetic]

What?

I thought it wasn't allowed to teach creationism in school...

so why are you complaining about it? =/

If they want to go to a school that DOES teach it, let em :D

[Face Down]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Fact is: evolution is the base of modern biology as the most plausible explanation for biodiversity and the origin of all living beings. You CANNOT teach Biology in schools without teaching evolution, regardless of how many "are for it" or not.

Not true really.

My Biology does not teach us about evolution.

But back to the main point

I'm for it.

And like DA said if they want to go to a school that teaches it, let them.

[HadesDragon]

Originally Posted by Face Down

Not true really.

My Biology does not teach us about evolution.

Then I do wonder how you guys get by. How exactly does that work? O.o

What I said stands: it's the basis of modern biology.

[Face Down]

Works a lot more than you think it does =p

The Biology at my old school taught evolution in it, while my new one teaches Creationism.

Biology at my new school is makes more sense.

[HadesDragon]

So then, are you guys just taught one type of creationism, or multiple ones?

[Face Down]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

So then, are you guys just taught one type of creationism, or multiple ones?

One. The Christian Creationism

But I would like to see some other types =p

[HadesDragon]

Ah, I thought so.

About biology making more sense in your current school, might that not be attributed to your old school's teachers or infrastructure? Might not necessarily be because of evolution.

Speaking of which, how exactly does Biology make more sense to you now?