"Biblically Correct" Museum Tours?

[Johnny Stooge]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

Yet, Christians are Creationists.............they believe the earth was created, by a God

Theistic evolution, anyone?
I can accept that.

But Young Earth creationism, which is what these guys are going on about, is bullshit.

[Dogenzaka]

Theistic evolution, anyone?
I can accept that.

Sure, but that's not what Christians believe.

But Young Earth creationism, which is what these guys are going on about, is bullshit.

I personally don't care bout the Earth's age. It could be young, it could be old, and I don't trust scientific theories as end all truth because they aren't always right.

The earth could be a buttload of billions of years old, or 3,000, I don't care, the Bible doesn't necessarily mean God created everything we see in seven 24 hour periods, so that isn't an important matter, to me.

[Johnny Stooge]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

Sure, but that's not what Christians believe.

Then who does? Theistic evolution is not a scientiffic term.

It's evolution guided by God. Therefore, it's a belief.
It may not be the dominant ideology, but then again, Christians have never been able to agree on anything. That's why there are so many denominations.

[Massive Attack]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

Sure, but that's not what Christians believe.

Are you serious? I'm at a Catholic school and I don't know any other Catholics who don't believe in this.

[Forever Atlas]

Well, this is how i feel about this. I believe in creation, and the Bible (the hebrew and christian greek scriptures), and God etc. however, these guys are what you may call... extremists? As a matter of fact, they go contrary to Bible teachings.

The Bible and science (though the Bible is in NO way a scientific textbook) can go hand in hand if you really study it. Not by just trying to prove the Bible wrong, but also by trying to prove the Bible RIGHT... you got to do it from both sides if you really want to get down to the truth of things.

However what these guys were saying was just their own... hmm... twisted thinking. They have no proof of what they are saying and all in all, they were just wrong for throwing out ideas like that. Who knows what their reasonings may be.

The Bible tells Christians to be teachers of truth and prove what is true. What they did, did not acomplish any of those things... they didnt teach... they told... they didnt even prove anything, and truth... well lol... yeah thats funny if they believe its truth and they claim to be Christian.

Hey anyway, the Bible itself does say there would be people who would come up just like them. And they would not be true worshipers of God. The way they do things, and what they teach are not in accord with the Bible.

Its a shame, but truth, though what they teach is not from the Bible... thats how most of Christianity today is no? Actually thats how it has been for the past few centuries. Man comes up with his own ideas and own traditions, and take what was originally set out as the Christian congregation by Jesus, and thrown in everything contrary to what Christianity is about.

Im not going to get into any arguments with anyone so please dont break up my opinions and start nit picking at everything i say. Its my beliefs.

[Dogenzaka]

It may not be the dominant ideology, but then again, Christians have never been able to agree on anything.

Doesn't matter, because theistic evolution is not of the Bible or Christianity. lol.
Don't know who made it up, but it's not to be associated with true Biblical Christianity.

That's why there are so many denominations.

And half of them don't know what they're talking about. lol.

Are you serious? I'm at a Catholic school and I don't know any other Catholics who don't believe in this.

Theistic evolution?
That God created creatures whom evolved into man? Is that what you mean?

If you believe that, then it clearly contradicts the Bible.

Then again, Catholics also slaughtered people in the mid-ages, worshiped the Virgin Mary, told people if they were sick it's because they sinned heavily in their past, wrote their own version of the Bible, and did rituals never described in the Bible. Not saying you necessarily do that, but it's a traditional part of Catholic belief.

And Smooth, I agree with you in full.

[Massive Attack]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

Theistic evolution?
That God created creatures whom evolved into man? Is that what you mean?

If you believe that, then it clearly contradicts the Bible.

Then again, Catholics also slaughtered people in the mid-ages, worshiped the Virgin Mary, told people if they were sick it's because they sinned heavily in their past, wrote their own version of the Bible, and did rituals never described in the Bible. Not saying you necessarily do that, but it's a traditional part of Catholic belief.

Lucky I'm not Catholic then, eh?

[Dogenzaka]

Lucky I'm not Catholic then, eh?

Guess so. XD

[Johnny Stooge]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

Doesn't matter, because theistic evolution is not of the Bible or Christianity. lol.
Don't know who made it up, but it's not to be associated with true Biblical Christianity.

And Young Earth Creationism should?
You say you don't care, but you care enough to deny theistic evolution as a Christian belief. You've got to have some kind of take on Genesis.

And half of them don't know what they're talking about. lol.

As far as I'm concerned, none of you do.

Theistic evolution?
That God created creatures whom evolved into man? Is that what you mean?

That God created creatures with the purpose of evolving into man. He then still created us in his image, did he not?

If you believe that, then it clearly contradicts the Bible.

The Bible practically contradicts itself. Is it literal or metaphorical? Is it all an allegory? No one can make up their mind.

Then again, Catholics also slaughtered people in the mid-ages, worshiped the Virgin Mary, told people if they were sick it's because they sinned heavily in their past, wrote their own version of the Bible, and did rituals never described in the Bible. Not saying you necessarily do that, but it's a traditional part of Catholic belief.

Then again, Christians are also hate mongering bigots who are heavily ignorant of the world they live in. Not saying you necessarily do that, but it's a traditional part of Christian belief.

[Dogenzaka]

And Young Earth Creationism should?

The Earth's Age =/= believing humans evolved from creatures.

but you care enough to deny theistic evolution as a Christian belief.

Because it is not. Any religious scholar will tell you that. The Bible clearly states that God created man from dust of the earth.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Nothing to do with evolution, therefore, the idea of theistic evolution is contradictory and has nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible.

As far as I'm concerned, none of you do.

As far as I'm concerned, you certainly don't, if you want to mush up a bunch of theories and categorize it under general "Christianity".

Then again, Christians are also hate mongering bigots

I'm not hateful, or mongering. Bigot would be up to an opinion. =P
Your generalization fails.

Also, everyone is ignorant. Everyone. If you didn't have the slightest amount of ignorance, you would believe everything I tell you and not argue it to any point whatsoever. Everybody has ignorance because if they didn't, they would wish-wash with opinions all over the place and not stand firmly in their beliefs.

, but it's a traditional part of Christian belief.

I believe it's not.

The Bible practically contradicts itself. Is it literal or metaphorical? Is it all an allegory? No one can make up their mind.

Different parts or literal and metaphorical, and allegories. And it's interpreted differently by different people. Doesn't mean the book itself is contradictory.

[pwn3d]

I personally don't care bout the Earth's age. It could be young, it could be old, and I don't trust scientific theories as end all truth because they aren't always right.

.....which is why science is totally badass. It doesn't say it is always right. It says to go and search for things to prove it wrong, or right. It allows for a variety of belief, and debate, over ideas, whereas religion, simply doesn't.


Frankly i say they should teach the important moral codes given in the bible, not by Jesus's followers, but by Jesus himself;turn the other cheek, resist no evil, judge not lest ye be judges etc. SERMON On THE MOUNT FTW.

[Sir Meta Knight]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

Humans debating logic. Lol. Logic is different to each and every person. What may seem logical to you isn't to another, and certainly with your inferior human mind, if there is a God, your logic is stupid.

Anyway, boo hoo. Let's all bleed the bad blood out of our systems through a straw, rejoice in the fact that the sun revolves around the flat earth, and look out into the stars for Pluto in our solar system. That's what Science sai---oh wait.

Don't you realize the Church controlled science then, changing it so it wasn't really science at all, just an agreement with the bible? :D So you know, that doesn't say much about science at all, if it was suppressed like that. Also, science eventually found out that those things were wrong - passing over the church.

That argument is flawed, and relates in no way to this. Science back then was limited by the amount of information able to be observed; this is mere brainwashing of children to refuse to accept that information.

[Forever Atlas]

Originally Posted by pwn3d

.....which is why science is totally badass. It doesn't say it is always right. It says to go and search for things to prove it wrong, or right. It allows for a variety of belief, and debate, over ideas, whereas religion, simply doesn't.

yeah the Bible God's word also says to prove things for ourself, what is truth and what isnt. Christians are told not to follow anyone blindly but prove for themselves what is truth.

Originally Posted by Sir Meta Knight

Don't you realize the Church controlled science then, changing it so it wasn't really science at all, just an agreement with the bible? :D So you know, that doesn't say much about science at all, if it was suppressed like that. Also, science eventually found out that those things were wrong - passing over the church.

actually the beliefs by the Church had hardly anything to do with the Bible then... as a matter of fact people werent even allowed to own a Bible or read it. If they were found with one, they were either put into prisons or killed.... yeah, those "christian" leaders were not Christian at all..... They were power hungry ppl who did things for their own glory or the glory of the nation... on the whole they never really did Christian things, hence they way a lot of the Christian religions are today.....

[Tyler Durden]

The Church had the power, because the Church could excommunicate your sorry asses, and you'd go to hell. That's the sad truth of it; they ruled because they controlled your afterlife.

More coming soon; dinner time.

[Sir Meta Knight]

Originally Posted by Smooth

yeah the Bible God's word also says to prove things for ourself, what is truth and what isnt. Christians are told not to follow anyone blindly but prove for themselves what is truth.

Then why does it say to always obey God, over everyone else, or go to Hell? :<

I dun get it