The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? - Page 8

Phoenix · 04/01/08, 09:32 PM

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lol JWs dont celebrate Christmas or any other holiday for that matter ;-) see what I did there?

You are not using the "see what I did there" phrase right. The term you're looking for is "bam". lrn2play =/

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They are not your average "Christians" who just do anything, they make sure they do their research before doing anything or adopting any beliefs first.

Controversies regarding Jehovah& - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This trumps anything you say about JWs ever again. It's practically abuse.

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All holidays come from nonChristian roots. Etc. list could go on...

So, according to you, something's roots define what that something is for all eternity?

**Forever Atlas** · 04/01/08, 09:35 PM

^ yeah as I have said before you can read all those things ppl say about JWs but over half of them are lies... some may be true, but how are you going to know? anyway I dont have to say it again, if you want to believe things other ppl say go ahead.

They follow the Bible all in all. Just because other "christian" religions choose not to then so be it.

and if you want to get information about JWs look at their official stuff:

Jehovah's Witnesses: Watchtower Society Official Web Site

or

Jehovah's Witnesses: Authorized Site of the Office of Public Information

that'll explain the stuff in complete terms. Not trying to hide anything as a lot of other sites including that wiki page... claimed.. Not misquotes and twisting of words that a lot of people tend to do.

as for doctrinal changes? they are Bible students and have never claimed or acted as prophets as that wiki page claims. Students learn... as they gain deeper knowledge they make corrections just as anyone including scientists. Where something is wrong, it is corrected.

Phoenix · 04/01/08, 09:50 PM

You did it again. You did it again. Everything I can ever say about anything, even if your official newsletter endorses it, even other JWs (Ryu) at least try to explain its purpose, you call lies. See, this is why it's difficult for me to take you seriously. You never admit to shit.

Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site

Now stop it. This is not up to debate, it's an official practice of the JWs.

As for the original topic, Christians usually believe it's from God, non-Christians usually believe it's not. We could go further than that and analyze these things in-depth, but then some random ass will yell "LOL OFFTOPIC", so you really might as well have made this a poll and disabled all replies for it for all the good it'll do us.

**Forever Atlas** · 04/01/08, 09:55 PM

^ i didnt say it was ALL lies i said some may not.. so dont just take a piece of something i say and leave the rest out. I know some of what was on that wiki was from the pages of the official site... your point? some of it was accurate and a lot of it was also misconstrued.

but what does that have to do with anything? Like i said, ALL of their practices and beliefs are from Bible teachings and principles

and btw admit what? you never said WHY you put that link, that page had a million of things on it... was i supposed to grab one thing and expect to magically know that that was what you were talking about?

anyway, as you said, back to the topic. if people have faith in something, its because usually something works for them. One way or another.

You wouldnt have faith in a car that breaks down constantly, or in a spouse who cheats on your and you know has the tendency to be unfaithful...

But people have faith in their god(s) maybe because they believe it has come through for them. Personally I believe i have seen a lot of proof in my life that gives me this faith. And a lot of it is what i see written in the Bible and happening around me in my life. So thats just 1 reason why i have faith in it.

Samber · 04/01/08, 10:01 PM

Ok you two have completely steered off from the thread topic. The original

"The Bible 'God's book or Man's'" Has now been replaced with bashing the Johova's Witnesses.

Have fun with that.

Sephiros_TH · 04/01/08, 10:24 PM

[/quote]and i didnt say Jewish... i said Hebrew.... now if you did your research as your claim and yet still claim that I dont do mine.... you'd know there is a difference

and the Babylonian nation's ideas and teachings came from within itself for the most part.

BTW: For someone who doesnt believe in the Bible.... Im surprised you use "B.C." instead of "B.C.E" lol I use B.C.E .... always with an "E" for era ... anyway thats not important. tee hee[/quote]

Ok, look we all know that the Jews technically descended from a mix of Israelites and Hebrews. We also know that the Sumerians are older then any monotheistic religion, which are estimated at around 2600 BC by many, and the Babylonian flood would have happened atleast 100 years prior. I know who the Herbrews are and I know who the Jews are but those two terms have become more or less interchangeable as in modern English Jews refer technically to both a religion and Semitic peoples, so I wasn't technically wrong.

oh and just because I don't believe that the Bible is the word of god doesn't mean I don't believe that it isn't a good book and a pretty good resource for ancient history. And come on lets be serious BCE is still dating its origin to Christ's birth technically so they are more or less the same.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 01:09 AM

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^ i didnt say it was ALL lies i said some may not.. so dont just take a piece of something i say and leave the rest out. I know some of what was on that wiki was from the pages of the official site... your point? some of it was accurate and a lot of it was also misconstrued.

Dude. It was the only thing I claimed. What else could've possibly been the lie? The only thing I mentioned was disfellowshipping.

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but what does that have to do with anything? Like i said, ALL of their practices and beliefs are from Bible teachings and principles

Again, what you're saying essentially comes down to "I'm right, they're wrong".

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and btw admit what? you never said WHY you put that link, that page had a million of things on it... was i supposed to grab one thing and expect to magically know that that was what you were talking about?

Uh, no, how about you click on it? It redirects directly to "Treatmeant of members who disassociate".

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anyway, as you said, back to the topic. if people have faith in something, its because usually something works for them. One way or another.

Yeah. The whole "being raised that way" thing has practically nothing to do with it.

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You wouldnt have faith in a car that breaks down constantly, or in a spouse who cheats on your and you know has the tendency to be unfaithful...

You know, I've always wondered something. Why do people who try to explain their faith insist on creating analogies that barely represent the thing itself? I mean, there's no social pressure to keep the car, your parents won't judge you if you buy another one, and nobody's claiming the only way to reach the Car God is to believe in the car.

There are 2 reasons people use simplified analogies:

1. They don't think the receiver will understand the concept without it being dumbed down.
2. They themselves don't understand the concept.

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"The Bible 'God's book or Man's'" Has now been replaced with bashing the Johova's Witnesses.

Except, you know, no one has bashed it?

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Ok you two have completely steered off from the thread topic. The original

"As for the original topic, Christians usually believe it's from God, non-Christians usually believe it's not. We could go further than that and analyze these things in-depth, but then some random ass will yell "LOL OFFTOPIC", so you really might as well have made this a poll and disabled all replies for it for all the good it'll do us."

Also, you must've missed this. I mean, had you not, you wouldn't have said what you said, amirite?

Dantés de Divinity · 04/02/08, 01:31 AM

Most people with faith would say that God spoke through angles that in turn gave the word of God to men who would write his word. If you don't know much of Religion these people are called prophets. These prophets wrote the bible as God told them to write it. Think of it like your teacher or boss telling you to write something so it can be seen and read later. I think of the bible creation as such. Hallucinations caused by the heat or lack of nourishment are commonly used by people of no faith. They are entitled to their own opinion. Just my views think what you like about them.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 01:46 AM

Was that you replying to me, or just your general views?

Dantés de Divinity · 04/02/08, 02:28 AM

It was to all of you who want to read it. Don't much care what ya think of it. You can reply on it if ya like I wont stop you if you want me to clarify something I will though I made it as clear as I could. Do you have any questions? I'll be happy to answer what I can.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 02:40 AM

I say it because I stated "Christians usually believe it's from God, non-Christians usually believe it's not", so it can't possibly be directed at me =/

Dantés de Divinity · 04/02/08, 02:55 AM

Ah well my folly of not being clear is to blame for our conversation then. I yield to anyone who is willing to post.

Phoenix · 04/02/08, 03:00 AM

Oh Heavens no, no worries. Though a simple yes or no could've sufficed.

Xuan · 04/02/08, 06:19 AM

I don't think anyone would've known whether's there a real god out there, for the gods we now know are all created by men. I've no rejection to what they called the demonic possession or whatsoever, because my mother's family had that experience once as well. But seriously, I don't really think it's Satan or something. Only spirits...

Okay, strayed more than I wanted... please continue and you do not see me, thank you.

Samber · 04/02/08, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Except, you know, no one has bashed it?

Well you haven't said anything degrading, yet. But you procede to teach the JW about his own religion. Which is slightly rude.

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"As for the original topic, Christians usually believe it's from God, non-Christians usually believe it's not. We could go further than that and analyze these things in-depth, but then some random ass will yell "LOL OFFTOPIC", so you really might as well have made this a poll and disabled all replies for it for all the good it'll do us."

Also, you must've missed this. I mean, had you not, you wouldn't have said what you said, amirite?

Oh I saw it. And i'll say what I want thank you, and I can continue to be a smart ass if you would like. I merely stated that so perhaps you guys would chill out some, it seemed as if the 'Discussion' was getting a tad too personal. :/

04/01/08, 09:35 PM	#107
Forever Atlas The World Rests On Me Join Date: May 2007 Location: In your eyeball Age: 21 Posts: 3,030 Rep Power: 7	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? ^ yeah as I have said before you can read all those things ppl say about JWs but over half of them are lies... some may be true, but how are you going to know? anyway I dont have to say it again, if you want to believe things other ppl say go ahead. They follow the Bible all in all. Just because other "christian" religions choose not to then so be it. and if you want to get information about JWs look at their official stuff: Jehovah's Witnesses: Watchtower Society Official Web Site or Jehovah's Witnesses: Authorized Site of the Office of Public Information that'll explain the stuff in complete terms. Not trying to hide anything as a lot of other sites including that wiki page... claimed.. Not misquotes and twisting of words that a lot of people tend to do. as for doctrinal changes? they are Bible students and have never claimed or acted as prophets as that wiki page claims. Students learn... as they gain deeper knowledge they make corrections just as anyone including scientists. Where something is wrong, it is corrected. Last edited by Forever Atlas; 04/01/08 at 09:51 PM.

04/01/08, 09:50 PM	#108
Phoenix Knight of Zero Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 14,166 Rep Power: 21	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? You did it again. You did it again. Everything I can ever say about anything, even if your official newsletter endorses it, even other JWs (Ryu) at least try to explain its purpose, you call lies. See, this is why it's difficult for me to take you seriously. You never admit to shit. Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site Now stop it. This is not up to debate, it's an official practice of the JWs. As for the original topic, Christians usually believe it's from God, non-Christians usually believe it's not. We could go further than that and analyze these things in-depth, but then some random ass will yell "LOL OFFTOPIC", so you really might as well have made this a poll and disabled all replies for it for all the good it'll do us.

04/01/08, 09:55 PM	#109
Forever Atlas The World Rests On Me Join Date: May 2007 Location: In your eyeball Age: 21 Posts: 3,030 Rep Power: 7	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? ^ i didnt say it was ALL lies i said some may not.. so dont just take a piece of something i say and leave the rest out. I know some of what was on that wiki was from the pages of the official site... your point? some of it was accurate and a lot of it was also misconstrued. but what does that have to do with anything? Like i said, ALL of their practices and beliefs are from Bible teachings and principles and btw admit what? you never said WHY you put that link, that page had a million of things on it... was i supposed to grab one thing and expect to magically know that that was what you were talking about? anyway, as you said, back to the topic. if people have faith in something, its because usually something works for them. One way or another. You wouldnt have faith in a car that breaks down constantly, or in a spouse who cheats on your and you know has the tendency to be unfaithful... But people have faith in their god(s) maybe because they believe it has come through for them. Personally I believe i have seen a lot of proof in my life that gives me this faith. And a lot of it is what i see written in the Bible and happening around me in my life. So thats just 1 reason why i have faith in it. Last edited by Forever Atlas; 04/01/08 at 10:03 PM.

04/01/08, 10:01 PM	#110
Samber Your Mom's Mom's Daughter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando Florida Age: 16 Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? Ok you two have completely steered off from the thread topic. The original "The Bible 'God's book or Man's'" Has now been replaced with bashing the Johova's Witnesses. Have fun with that.

04/01/08, 10:24 PM	#111
Sephiros_TH Keyblade Wielder Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 264 Rep Power: 1	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? [/quote]and i didnt say Jewish... i said Hebrew.... now if you did your research as your claim and yet still claim that I dont do mine.... you'd know there is a difference and the Babylonian nation's ideas and teachings came from within itself for the most part. BTW: For someone who doesnt believe in the Bible.... Im surprised you use "B.C." instead of "B.C.E" lol I use B.C.E .... always with an "E" for era ... anyway thats not important. tee hee[/quote] Ok, look we all know that the Jews technically descended from a mix of Israelites and Hebrews. We also know that the Sumerians are older then any monotheistic religion, which are estimated at around 2600 BC by many, and the Babylonian flood would have happened atleast 100 years prior. I know who the Herbrews are and I know who the Jews are but those two terms have become more or less interchangeable as in modern English Jews refer technically to both a religion and Semitic peoples, so I wasn't technically wrong. oh and just because I don't believe that the Bible is the word of god doesn't mean I don't believe that it isn't a good book and a pretty good resource for ancient history. And come on lets be serious BCE is still dating its origin to Christ's birth technically so they are more or less the same.

04/02/08, 01:31 AM	#113
Dantés de Divinity Devoted affection Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: On a hill in white waiting for my dearest to arive Posts: 1,888 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? Most people with faith would say that God spoke through angles that in turn gave the word of God to men who would write his word. If you don't know much of Religion these people are called prophets. These prophets wrote the bible as God told them to write it. Think of it like your teacher or boss telling you to write something so it can be seen and read later. I think of the bible creation as such. Hallucinations caused by the heat or lack of nourishment are commonly used by people of no faith. They are entitled to their own opinion. Just my views think what you like about them.

04/02/08, 01:46 AM	#114
Phoenix Knight of Zero Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 14,166 Rep Power: 21	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? Was that you replying to me, or just your general views?

04/02/08, 02:28 AM	#115
Dantés de Divinity Devoted affection Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: On a hill in white waiting for my dearest to arive Posts: 1,888 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? It was to all of you who want to read it. Don't much care what ya think of it. You can reply on it if ya like I wont stop you if you want me to clarify something I will though I made it as clear as I could. Do you have any questions? I'll be happy to answer what I can.

04/02/08, 02:40 AM	#116
Phoenix Knight of Zero Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 14,166 Rep Power: 21	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? I say it because I stated "Christians usually believe it's from God, non-Christians usually believe it's not", so it can't possibly be directed at me =/

04/02/08, 02:55 AM	#117
Dantés de Divinity Devoted affection Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: On a hill in white waiting for my dearest to arive Posts: 1,888 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? Ah well my folly of not being clear is to blame for our conversation then. I yield to anyone who is willing to post.

04/02/08, 03:00 AM	#118
Phoenix Knight of Zero Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Borinquen Age: 20 Posts: 14,166 Rep Power: 21	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? Oh Heavens no, no worries. Though a simple yes or no could've sufficed.

04/02/08, 06:19 AM	#119
Xuan FanFic Slayer, K.Theorist Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I am human, no worries. I don't suck brain juice anyway, it's too juicy. Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Bible - Gods Book or Mans? I don't think anyone would've known whether's there a real god out there, for the gods we now know are all created by men. I've no rejection to what they called the demonic possession or whatsoever, because my mother's family had that experience once as well. But seriously, I don't really think it's Satan or something. Only spirits... Okay, strayed more than I wanted... please continue and you do not see me, thank you.

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