Spider-Man Movies

[supermariohat]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stooge

It wouldn't make sense to have the movie versions of Doc Ock and Sandman in the Sinister Six. Sandman and Doc Ock in the movies were portrayed as good men trying to do good things who had something bad happen to them which put them on a certain path and then redeemed themselves at the end.

Also, Doc Ock is dead and there's no way to conceivably bring him back.

Green Goblin or maybe even Hobgoblin and Kraven would be better replacements.

Let me see if I got this right, you don't see a way for Doc Ock to return (who's body was not recovered, making him very easy to come back), but somehow you conceived Green Goblin coming back? They were both stabbed in the heart (a vital part of the body), put in a casket (after they stopped breathing, another important part of life), and put in the ground. I agree that the Green Goblin is the best villain in all of Spider-Man, but the goblin saga closed with Harry's death.

And as far as Doc Ock and Sandman not being "evil", i agree. However, Doc's mind isn't quite right; it's not even completely his. After 2, his arms could have saved him. Maybe they broke. Maybe he makes newer ones. But most likely he doesn't rememeber everything correctly (kind of how Harry is stuck on the idea of Peter killing his dad.) Ock may blame Peter.
And I could see Sandman being manipulated, not wanting to do the things they make him do. In fact, make him fight back at the end. Didn't he turn on the Sinister Six once in the comics? Draw from source material.

[Relentless Blitz]

As said above,the first two were good but not the third.

6-Doc Ock, Sandman, Scorpion, Electro, Vulture, Rhino
-"Sinister Six" (get it?: 6, six?)

Lol,I get it.

[supermariohat]

Just kinda throwing this out there: Gerard Butler for the role of Kraven the Hunter. Seems like a good choice to me. Oh, and Paul Bettany as Carnage. He just looks like a good crazy Kasady. Maybe Hal Sparks as Electro. Ben Kingsley as Vulture (he had the role, they just decided not to use the character) How about Paul Wight (a.k.a.The Big Show) as Rhino. I can't find a good Scorpion.. Any ideas?

And as if I have to say it again, this is not just so you can say "the first two were good but not the third" or similar comments.

[Gildragon]

What I'm interested in and hoep they do something with is this.

Doc Connors still had a sample of the black goo that made venom. you see it for a very short whiel and then don't hear from him again. I think that this SHOULD come into play and will be sorely dissappointmet if not

[Zook]

they simply tried to cram too much into the third. it felt rushed and overall un-entertaining. I absolutely loved the second, and the first was great too, they just could have done a little more storytelling about Osborn.

[Johnny Stooge]

Originally Posted by supermariohat

Let me see if I got this right, you don't see a way for Doc Ock to return (who's body was not recovered, making him very easy to come back), but somehow you conceived Green Goblin coming back? They were both stabbed in the heart (a vital part of the body), put in a casket (after they stopped breathing, another important part of life), and put in the ground. I agree that the Green Goblin is the best villain in all of Spider-Man, but the goblin saga closed with Harry's death.

I don't know what version of Spider-Man 2 you watched, but the one I saw had Doc Ock drown, and his body sink to the bottom of the river. His arms powered down and we saw him die. The arms can't bring him back, the fusion maching can't bring him back and there's no way for his body to get out of the river since he's weighed down.

Yes, we also saw Norman die but we don't know what the formula can do. He wasn't stabbed in the heart, otherwise he'd have died instantly, but in the movie I saw he manged to utter a few lines such as "Don't tell Harry". Norman can be brought back, but not Otto.



And your reasoning for Octopus to join the Sinister Six doens't make sense either. Peter was standing in the crowd taking photos. He wasn't involved in the accident and neither was Spider-Man, so Otto can't blame him for anything. Which he didn't anyway.

And at no point in the comics Sandman held hostage to anything. He's a bad guy, through and through. Not like the movie version.

[Darkly Aesthetic]

I can maybe see Hobgoblin in the next one, but not Green Goblin again.
that would be lame..


Maybe they should introduce Black Cat :D

[Raeneth]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stooge

And your reasoning for Octopus to join the Sinister Six doens't make sense either. Peter was standing in the crowd taking photos. He wasn't involved in the accident and neither was Spider-Man, so Otto can't blame him for anything. Which he didn't anyway.

Agreed. All enemies in Spider-Man have a motivation behind their presence in the movie. They're not there for fan service (no, not even Venom). Characters won't be introduced to just turn New York into hell on earth and need Spidey to come save the day, because that's generic stupid movie formula. Spider-Man is actually good because it DOESN'T throw in random enemies for random half assed reasons and motivations. ._.

In the movie they set up Lizard and have a very small opening and possibility for a Venom return, or the emergence of Carnage. Why would either of them work in context of the movies?

Peter would be trying desperately to help Connors to return back to how he was before, and also torn between stopping him from... destroying and hurting innocent people bleh bleh bleh. There are a lot of human intricacies you can pull up with a Jeckyl/Hyde type of deal with him. Carnage would be a uniting factor for the Lizard and Spidey to work together and take down. Is this a good plot? Probably not. Is it likely... I think so :\

[supermariohat]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stooge

I don't know what version of Spider-Man 2 you watched, but the one I saw had Doc Ock drown, and his body sink to the bottom of the river. His arms powered down and we saw him die. The arms can't bring him back, the fusion maching can't bring him back and there's no way for his body to get out of the river since he's weighed down.

Yes, we also saw Norman die but we don't know what the formula can do. He wasn't stabbed in the heart, otherwise he'd have died instantly, but in the movie I saw he manged to utter a few lines such as "Don't tell Harry". Norman can be brought back, but not Otto.



And your reasoning for Octopus to join the Sinister Six doens't make sense either. Peter was standing in the crowd taking photos. He wasn't involved in the accident and neither was Spider-Man, so Otto can't blame him for anything. Which he didn't anyway.

And at no point in the comics Sandman held hostage to anything. He's a bad guy, through and through. Not like the movie version.

Alright, Doc did sink; but he is still WAY more likely to come back than Goblin. You may remember this statement: "stabbed in the heart (a vital part of the body), put in a casket (after they stopped breathing, another important part of life), and put in the ground." Where Ock kinda floated down... Yeah... Who cares if his arms "powered down"? I've dropped cell phone in the water did the same thing, but sometimes it comes back on! Arms use rest of power to save Ock because his life is their life. He fixes them up, and thinks Spider-Man (Peter Parker) left him for dead. And Ock did think Spider-Man messed up his science project. (Remember when he tried to pull the plug?)
And I didn't say Sandy was held hostage. However, in the movies, he has a daughter and is vulnerable. Also, he did turn on the Sinister Six while he was a member once in the comics.

[violent_anger]

Green Goblin can come back easily, he did in the comics.

This may have to wait for Spider-man 5, but I'd like to see the six-arm saga. I always thought it was something interesting that could easily be stretched out. It included both the Lizard and Morbius, which was Marvel's first vampire. The 3 way fighting caused by slightly-sane-slightly-crazy Lizard, coupled with Spidey's 6 sets of hands, would be impressive to see. Morbius could always be replaced with a more iconic villian.

I say Rhino for the next movie. He's a great guy, would be perfect for a little cameo and battle, and could help establish how crazy shit is happening in the Marvel universe, which helps the upcoming Avengers movie.


Edit: Oh, and depending on the whole relationship thing in the next movie, they might be able to show Peter taking his serum at the end of the movie in an attempt to give up being Spidey for his eventual marriage. Great cliffhanger.

[Johnny Stooge]

Originally Posted by supermariohat

Alright, Doc did sink; but he is still WAY more likely to come back than Goblin. You may remember this statement: "stabbed in the heart (a vital part of the body), put in a casket (after they stopped breathing, another important part of life), and put in the ground." Where Ock kinda floated down... Yeah... Who cares if his arms "powered down"? I've dropped cell phone in the water did the same thing, but sometimes it comes back on! Arms use rest of power to save Ock because his life is their life. He fixes them up, and thinks Spider-Man (Peter Parker) left him for dead.
And I didn't say Sandy was held hostage. However, in the movies, he has a daughter and is vulnerable. Also, he did turn on the Sinister Six while he was a member once in the comics.

When Ock was strapping into the arms, I didn't notice a power cell. Did you? They weren't even active until it was properly strapped in. The arms were powered by Ock, as an extension of himself.
You're reasoning for Ock to against Spidey. also doesn't make sense. Ock's arc finished once he redeemed himself, by coming to his senses and ignoring the influence of the arms. That was brilliance of Spider-Man 2's story, so let's not butcher that.
And again, Gobby wasn't stabbed in the heart.

And of course Sandman turns against the Sinister Six, he's a supervillian. The problem with supervillians and teams is that they're villians because they're selfish. They can form a team, but at the end they always infight because of their own selfish desires. Unlike heroes, who are selfless. But that's not Sandman in the movies.
Movie Sandman won't work in the Sinister Six, so therefore have another villian replace him.

[TwilightMan]

stabbed in the heart

He wasn't stabbed in the heart. His glider stabbed him right above his penis.

[Darkly Aesthetic]

Originally Posted by TwilightMan

He was stabbed in the heart. His glider stabbed him right above his penis.

lol that's not where the heart is.

YouTube - Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin

4:22

=/

but still, he's dead, he's been dead, his son is dead, and his storyline is over.
why bring him back? get some new villains up in the hizzy..

[Guardian Soul]

Originally Posted by TwilightMan

He was stabbed in the heart. His glider stabbed him right above his penis.

I lol'd.

Anyways, I'm pretty much expecting the Lizard. Stan Lee also said that he assumes it should be the Lizard, I mean, they've gone long enough without him. I'd also love to see Rhino, and as for the main villian, Electro possibly? Not sure.

I'm pretty sure that if we do get Electro though, he won't look anything like the original, probably more similar to Ultimate Electro.

There's also the possibility of:

-Chameleon
-Scorpion
-Shocker

Mysterio would be cool too.

Oh, and I agree with Stooge, screw Venom and Carnage, Venom sucked in Spider-Man 3.

[TwilightMan]

I meant to say he WASN'T stabbed in the heart. My bad guys.