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Re: Is Phantom an Emblem heartless?
Old July 24th, 2009, 01:49 AM   #16
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The Phantom isn't a Heartless.. Or atleast i don't think he is..?
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Re: Is Phantom an Emblem heartless?
Old July 24th, 2009, 02:03 AM   #17
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The Phantom isn't a Heartless.. Or atleast i don't think he is..?
Nah, Phantom's an Emblem Heartless.
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Sora was purified, meaning he wasn't so much a heartless as a heart.
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well, i think that XH is similar to Sora, except the darkness that should give him a non-human form was focused into his guardian.

it explains why XH is the only known heartless with a human form.
It's still debatable if Ansem SoD's even a Heartless. Yes, he retained sense of self, like Sora did, but he has a shitload of darkness of heart. But he could be a Heartless because, again, he has that much darkness in his heart.

Sora was able to retain sense of self because he had very little darkness in his heart(and the help of Kairi), and Xehanort's vice versa.

Both are pretty much just floating hearts, really.
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Re: Is Phantom an Emblem heartless?
Old July 24th, 2009, 02:52 AM   #18
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He's a heartless, and yet he looks human. Shouldn't there be more human heartless?
Hmm. That is interesting, you would think we would have seen more, huh?
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Old July 24th, 2009, 05:17 AM   #19
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Hmm. That is interesting, you would think we would have seen more, huh?
Scar heartless.
He willingly became a heartless, and he didn't really change form after he changed.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 06:06 AM   #20
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It's still debatable if Ansem SoD's even a Heartless. Yes, he retained sense of self, like Sora did, but he has a shitload of darkness of heart. But he could be a Heartless because, again, he has that much darkness in his heart.
He's definitely a Heartless.
We've seen with Scar that it's possible to have the appearance of your original self as a Heartless (even though he later transforms into the Groundshaker).

I think it's a testament to how dark the being is, not just the heart. A Heartless is supposed to reflect someone's inner darkness. So if a Heartless looks like the original being, it shows that they themselves are the real monsters (rather than the monster being hidden away within their heart).


And for the record, Sora is not like Ansem SoD. When he is purified by Kairi's light, he is no longer a Heartless. He is essentially just a heart, exactly the same as the state of being Riku was in after Ansem SoD stole his body.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 06:17 AM   #21
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He's definitely a Heartless.
We've seen with Scar that it's possible to have the appearance of your original self as a Heartless (even though he later transforms into the Groundshaker).

I think it's a testament to how dark the being is, not just the heart. A Heartless is supposed to reflect someone's inner darkness. So if a Heartless looks like the original being, it shows that they themselves are the real monsters (rather than the monster being hidden away within their heart).


And for the record, Sora is not like Ansem SoD. When he is purified by Kairi's light, he is no longer a Heartless. He is essentially just a heart, exactly the same as the state of being Riku was in after Ansem SoD stole his body.
Yeah how did Riku get his body back anyway? Wasn't it destroyed? Or did it return to Riku when Ansem was defeated?
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Old July 24th, 2009, 06:20 AM   #22
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Yeah how did Riku get his body back anyway? Wasn't it destroyed? Or did it return to Riku when Ansem was defeated?
riku was just possesed.

his body has always been intact because his heart took the actual damage. so it returned when "ansem" was defeated. my opinion anyways.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 06:38 AM   #23
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Yeah how did Riku get his body back anyway? Wasn't it destroyed? Or did it return to Riku when Ansem was defeated?
It returned to him.
I'm talking about before that though.

In this scene:

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Old July 24th, 2009, 01:36 PM   #24
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It returned to him.
I'm talking about before that though.

In this scene:

If i remember right that was the khfm+ scene where riku's heart was walking through the dark realm but its been a couple years since i've seen that scene so i can't be too sure.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 04:18 PM   #25
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If i remember right that was the khfm+ scene where riku's heart was walking through the dark realm but its been a couple years since i've seen that scene so i can't be too sure.
Yeah that's it alright. Its from KHFM.
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Re: Is Phantom an Emblem heartless?
Old July 29th, 2009, 07:10 AM   #26
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I thought the emblem was inside the Phantom's balls. Hmm, what were the glowing things inside?
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