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Old September 19th, 2009, 11:31 PM   #1
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Why he didn't include Snow Whites world in KH, I mean shes in the game, but no world to talk about her. Can someone explain that.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #2
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Her world probally was destroyed or didn't make it on Nomura's list for KH worlds. That's my guess.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #3
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Had other worlds in mind probably...and her world was probably not there at the time
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Old September 20th, 2009, 12:01 AM   #4
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It's really never said why the world was in KH1. We know Riku might have been the one who captured Snow White as with the other PoH's that were taken during KH1.

Now her Awakening platform shows everyone awake on it so it's possible that her world was not taken by the heartless yet and still in existance.

It's quite possible that her world was not put in place to prevent repetitiveness in the plot (Sora and Co. go to a world only to once again have a princess kidnapped like Jasmine and Alice) or to keep the game of relative length
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Old September 20th, 2009, 12:05 AM   #5
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He also didn't include:

Belle's world,
Aurora's world,
and Cinderella's world.

:/ No need to put in unnecessary worlds, especially if they're going to be the same thing happening over and over (PoH gets kidnapped; you're useless to try and stop it.)
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Old September 20th, 2009, 02:41 AM   #6
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ummm because her world was destroy. havent u people play the game? after u beat riku the second time and go back to hollow bastion to fight behemoth and the princesses are waiting for you some of them said their worlds were destroy like snow white,cinderella,aurora and belle....
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ummm because her world was destroy. havent u people play the game? after u beat riku the second time and go back to hollow bastion to fight behemoth and the princesses are waiting for you some of them said their worlds were destroy like snow white,cinderella,aurora and belle....
Um, I just got past that part of the game, and I don't remember them saying that Snow White's or Aurora's world was taken. :/ The Fairy Godmother said her world (Cinderella's world) was destroyed, and Maleficent said to Riku (after you finish the Neverland world) that Belle's world was destroyed. Aurora's and Snow White's worlds weren't mentioned.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:20 AM   #8
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Um, I just got past that part of the game, and I don't remember them saying that Snow White's or Aurora's world was taken. :/ The Fairy Godmother said her world (Cinderella's world) was destroyed, and Maleficent said to Riku (after you finish the Neverland world) that Belle's world was destroyed. Aurora's and Snow White's worlds weren't mentioned.
When you talk to Snow White and Aurora in the place where you fight Maleficent for the first time after beating Rikunort, one of them says their world was overtaken by Heartless.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:27 AM   #9
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Oh wow, I totally forgot about those other characters that were also there. Thanks guys, I was just amazed to see Snow Whites world being in BBS ( I think it is, unless I'm thinking of another world) I would of thought that they would of added that world to orignal KH.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #10
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ummm because her world was destroy. havent u people play the game? after u beat riku the second time and go back to hollow bastion to fight behemoth and the princesses are waiting for you some of them said their worlds were destroy like snow white,cinderella,aurora and belle....
True her world was destoried by the heartless as stated in the KH1 jounral
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A beautiful princess, gentle and pure as snow. She is one of the princesses needed to open the final Keyhole, and was captured by the Heartless. Her world has already been swallowed by the darkness.
The fair-skinned princess first appeared in "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" (1937).
But the question is then when did this happen.
In KH1 we see Snow White captured meaning her world most have recently been taken over by the heartless.
YouTube - Kingdom Hearts Alice/Snowwhite Altered Scene
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You know what I remember seeing that same exact video, its been so long since I played KH, maybe I'll go play the game right now, since I'm so bored. Thanks William for the video. THats so cool!
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:46 AM   #12
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True her world was destoried by the heartless as stated in the KH1 jounral

But the question is then when did this happen.
In KH1 we see Snow White captured meaning her world most have recently been taken over by the heartless.
YouTube - Kingdom Hearts Alice/Snowwhite Altered Scene
You only see that scene though if you haven't sealed Wonderland's Keyhole before sealing Deep Jungle's Keyhole. Going by the intended order of the worlds though, the story is supposed to have Wonderland's Keyhole sealed before sealing Deep Jungle's Keyhole. If the worlds were completed in the proper order, Alice would have been kidnapped instead of Snow White. The scene with Snow White being kidnapped is a sort of "alternate scene", and as far as I can tell, the series doesn't acknowledge alternate scenes as cannon, so I think it's possible that Snow White's world could have been taken by the Heartless long before KH1.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:53 AM   #13
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ummm because her world was destroy. havent u people play the game? after u beat riku the second time and go back to hollow bastion to fight behemoth and the princesses are waiting for you some of them said their worlds were destroy like snow white,cinderella,aurora and belle....
Because I'd really remember something that minor from over a year ago.

But really, even if their worlds were destroyed, that doesn't mean that we couldn't have explored them prior to the destruction. I mean, we explored Destiny Islands, didn't we? And then the Heartless took over. :v

Unless of course the whole purpose of going to that world was completely unnecessary and would just end up being a repeat of Agrabah and Wonderland, in which case we don't explore the worlds. :/

What you stated was an in-game explanation for why we didn't go to their worlds.
What I mentioned was a out-of-the-game explanation.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:05 AM   #14
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The scene with Snow White being kidnapped is a sort of "alternate scene", and as far as I can tell, the series doesn't acknowledge alternate scenes as cannon,
Well there are so few, it's hard to say.
But still it's a different Scene with the same result. Either way all the PoH must be captured by the villians. The order in which the PoH is the thing that doesn't matter in the long run. If Alice is seen doesn't rule out the possiblity Snow White being kidnapped during KH1. Though it is possible that she acted as a placeholder in case the player hadn't beaten Wonderland.

The only thing that gives me the slightest hint towards her capture during KH1 is her image during the awakening process.
Everyone is shown awake

When compared to Bella's which has everyone except the Beast alseep.
It's been said that once one's world has taken by the heartless they are put in a suspended sleep.
And as we know the Beast was able to escape his doomed world in search of Bella, thus he remains awake.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:21 AM   #15
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I believe it's possible that Snow White was captured during KH1. And I also believe it's possible that Snow White was captured long before KH1. There's not really any conclusive evidence either way, and there are reasons for believing each argument. Even that scene can be used to support the claim that Snow White was captured during KH1, but I just wanted to point out that it's not necessarily a "what you see is what you get" type of thing since the scene might not be cannon.

I remember a previous discussion about those platforms in another thread, but I especially liked the way you explained them. It makes a lot of sense.
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