Princesses Of Heart [Question]

[Ramenz]

So, since when the Princesses of Heart lose their hearts, they ONLY form Nobodies. So what are the the Nobodies of the other 6? (besides Kairi)

[Araliya]

No, they don't form Nobodies at all. :/ You only form a Nobody when you have a Heartless.

Kairi's an exception because Namine was born from Sora's body and soul and not her own.

[DJQuackQuack]

Princess of Heart=No darkness. And without darkness, a heartless cannot form. Without a heartless being made, there can be no Nobody.

To understand this, you need to know that a Heartless is formed from the darkness in a heart when it is stolen. The empty shell of a body and soul, if the heart is strong enough, stay alive and form the Nobodies.

Thus, no heartless, no nobody.

(Exception being Namine as stated by Ara)

[Ramenz]

Originally Posted by Araliya

No, they don't form Nobodies at all. :/ You only form a Nobody when you have a Heartless.

Kairi's an exception because Namine was born from Sora's body and soul and not her own.

ahh my bad. I just heard that rumor somewhere before, and I wanted to ask ;o

[ZexionsGirl6]

Princess of Hearts also have another name. Princess of Pure Hearts. That means that they have NO DARKNESS inside they're hearts. And without Darkness, Heartless can't be made. Only Nobodies.

[Araliya]

No, no Nobodies either. :/ (Is that a double- er, triple negative?)

Nobodies are only born when a Heartless is created. Since they can't create a Heartless, they can't create a Nobody either.

Kairi is an exception considering that her Nobody, Namine, was born from Sora's body and soul and not her own.

[aweomeness96]

none of the others lost their hearts, thus no nobodies were made

[Araliya]

Actually, they did lose their hearts, IIRC. :/

How else do you think the Heart Unlocker was formed?

It's just that they have no darkness in their hearts and thus, can't produce a Heartless, which means they can't create a Nobody either.

[Smile]

It's a tricky topic.
First, define 'lose your Heart'. If we say it left a Body, yeah, they went through that. However, we can't ignore the fact that thus far, losing your Heart was used more in reference to becoming a Heartless, in which case no - they never lost their Hearts like that.
Also, their Hearts thus far seem to have been 'surgically' removed to form the Heart Unlocker. So I don't think the rules would apply to them here.
Lastly, the only reason why Kairi has a Nobody to begin with is that her Heart left SORA'S BODY. Not her own, SORA'S. I fail to see how the other PoHs would have Nobodies in light of that, seeing how their Hearts left a freaking artificial Keyblade.
And don't you DARE go there with me.

Originally Posted by ZexionsGirl6

Princess of Hearts also have another name. Princess of Pure Hearts. That means that they have NO DARKNESS inside they're hearts. And without Darkness, Heartless can't be made. Only Nobodies.

Actually, the only 'other' name they have is just Princesses in the original Japanese terminology for the game. The only name they have in English is PoHs, and that indicates their pureness of Heart, no need to explain further.

[∞]

Originally Posted by ZexionsGirl6

Princess of Hearts also have another name. Princess of Pure Hearts. That means that they have NO DARKNESS inside they're hearts. And without Darkness, Heartless can't be made. Only Nobodies.

It's not really another name, just a more accurate one.

[SHIROKAME]

I agree with Araliya nobodies(man that sounds so cool)are born when a heartless is born but if there is no heartless no nobodies problem solved

[Organization_42]

It's probably also worth pointing out that the creation of a Nobody is generally followed by the creation of a Heartless. It's possible to create a Heartless without a Nobody if the person's heart wasn't strong enough, but you can't create a Nobody without creating a Heartless. (Which seemed to be the basis of this whole thread) They are the body and soul left behind when a heart is released, the empty shell. The heart then gets swallowed by darkness and becomes a heart. So it's not a question of, "If there's no Heartless, there's only a Nobody?" because you can't have the latter without making the former, except in Kairi's case.

Since none of the princesses had darkness in their hearts, they obviously couldn't create Heartless. No one's denying that. But that means that their bodies and souls became "lifeless puppets" as Riku described and they were pretty much dead to the world. The difference with Namine was that Kairi's heart chose to rest inside Sora, so when her heart was released, Namine was created, as the others have explained here. The other Princesses' couldn't do that because they were all used to make the artificial keyblade, and there wasn't any body or soul to make one Nobody from that keyblade, let alone six.

Don't get me wrong though- it'd be totally awesome if there were six more Namines running around somewhere! :)

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Organization_42

It's probably also worth pointing out that the creation of a Nobody is generally followed by the creation of a Heartless. It's possible to create a Heartless without a Nobody if the person's heart wasn't strong enough, but you can't create a Nobody without creating a Heartless. (Which seemed to be the basis of this whole thread) They are the body and soul left behind when a heart is released, the empty shell. The heart then gets swallowed by darkness and becomes a heart. So it's not a question of, "If there's no Heartless, there's only a Nobody?" because you can't have the latter without making the former, except in Kairi's case.

You have to keep in mind we can't really be certain that the other PoHs were even in the same state of 'lifelessness' as Kairi. They were in the 'coffins' in Hollow Bastion, while Kairi wasn't, despite having one of her own, seated right in front of the Keyhole to Darkness. Also, Kairi's Heart was obviously 'alive' at least to some extent as seen through Sora, while the other PoHs... well, it'd be pretty darn sad if they were aware of being stuck in the Keyblade. Kairi could at least show up to make Sora go a tiny bit crazier on occasion.
So while I do agree with what you're saying, I don't think it really is quite 'that' simple. There are more parameters and variables to take into consideration in that equation.

Since none of the princesses had darkness in their hearts, they obviously couldn't create Heartless. No one's denying that. But that means that their bodies and souls became "lifeless puppets" as Riku described and they were pretty much dead to the world. The difference with Namine was that Kairi's heart chose to rest inside Sora, so when her heart was released, Namine was created, as the others have explained here. The other Princesses' couldn't do that because they were all used to make the artificial keyblade, and there wasn't any body or soul to make one Nobody from that keyblade, let alone six.

Assuming, of course, Namine's really made up of the nothing that Roxas left her when he used up Sora's B+S as basis, and not from anything else.

Don't get me wrong though- it'd be totally awesome if there were six more Namines running around somewhere! :)

Oh hell no. One's enough of a plot hole all on her own.