formation of Nobodies

AinzX · October 24th, 2005, 03:14 PM

To collaborate on this theory, say if an apple represneted the full/composite body, which maintains its shape because of the forces binding it together, which would represent the soul. The skin of the apple repesents the vessel for containing the heart and soul. Since Heartless (grow within and) consume a person's heart, their body vanishes and their heart falls to darkness. In this case, the insides of the apple (representing the heart) is consumed, leaving behind a 'shell' (skin) of the apple. Assume that the skin maintains the structure of the apple due to equal forces/ an equilibrium - skin containing the forces within = the shell containing the soul. To relate to the Nodody, to keep the soul containerised within the shell, add a zip to the apple skin and you get a representation of how Nobodies are formed. -
http://thumb1.shutterstock.com/photo...7537990,15.jpg

This representation coul also explain the shape of Nobodies:
http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=kh2/artwork/4.jpg

In Sora's case, after he unlocked his heart (in KH, Hollow Bastion) he became a heartless - his body disappeared and temporarily plundged into darkness. Since part of Sora's heart is connected to Kairi, is it possible that BHK existed from this? - However, Since Sora regained his original (human) form, the theory of a shell is defied. Because he regained his orignal form with his heart, could this explain why BHK is/could be the other side of Sora's heart?

With a quote from KH COM -
"Yes.If you uproot the memories you planted...then Sora's heart will collapse and all his memories will be torn asunder."

Sora's heart will collapse if his implanted memories are uprooted/destroyed because with the presence of his memories - which relates to friendship - his strength comes from the connections to his friends - physical, emotional, etc (which include memories)/his heart is connected to his friends, without these connections, his heart will weaken/become unstable. Without these, or other memories which are capacitated due to emotions, the emotions won't be present, and without emotion, emptiness occurs. Also purposelessness could occur from this, which would inevitably lead to nothingness

unknown_boy · October 24th, 2005, 03:59 PM

That's the most intelligent theory i've heard yet. Good information to back it up. i agree. i look forward to hearing more of your theories. Oh yeah and flammers, stay the F%@# away.

Dexter · October 24th, 2005, 04:36 PM

WOW..................JUST WOW .............................THATS A GREAT THEORY ......................awaome JOB!!!!.............Have a peanut...............!!!!??????!!!!???

i is ant · October 24th, 2005, 05:31 PM

good theory..........but i got a thought

arnt hartless and nobodies the same kinda? cos they both ave no hearts. exept that a heartless 9is just a shell.no soul or heart.but nobodiesa re a shell and soul? it could be like a ladder..

heartless--body
nobody--body, soul
human--body, soul heart-complete

jus a theory.........or was it that a nobody has a heart and body n no soul?

if soemone could clear that up

Jampsa · October 24th, 2005, 05:31 PM

NOW...THAT`S...ONE...HELL...OF...AN...THEORY. Keep up the good work!!!

KrytenKoro · October 24th, 2005, 05:37 PM

Heartless are an existence of only the heart, and since the heart is busy doing the body and soul's jobs, it doesn't do its own, and it acts like it has no heart.
Same thing with Nobodies, only that they are the body.

If Sora is only a heart at this point (similar to how Ansem was only heart), maybe that is why he would collapse if his heart was uprooted: that's all he is. (We don't know if Sora truly got his body back, or just got his form {shape, not body} back.)

_Riku_ · October 24th, 2005, 08:19 PM

I now present to AinzX the Most Intelligent and Well Thought-Through Theory Award!!

see, thats what we need more of on here... theories that have been well researched and well backed up...

Thats simply intelligent AinzX... and it makes a lot of sense. Nice Job.

October 24th, 2005, 10:46 PM

Very nice theory.

But what about Riku then? Or maybe I'm not following that good. I mean, didn't he lose his heart to the darkness too. Yet we never hear talking about his shell. Or do we and I haven't read it yet.

BTW: If this was a dumb question don't flame me, I just think it's wierd that BHK is probably linked to Sora but no one wonders about Riku.

AinzX · October 24th, 2005, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Very nice theory.

But what about Riku then? Or maybe I'm not following that good. I mean, didn't he lose his heart to the darkness too. Yet we never hear talking about his shell. Or do we and I haven't read it yet.

BTW: If this was a dumb question don't flame me, I just think it's wierd that BHK is probably linked to Sora but no one wonders about Riku.

Yeah that is a point (????)

nothingness · October 24th, 2005, 11:36 PM

really good theory about neos

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But what about Riku then? Or maybe I'm not following that good. I mean, didn't he lose his heart to the darkness too. Yet we never hear talking about his shell. Or do we and I haven't read it yet.

Well riku did lose his heart to darkness yet he did not turn into a heartless, like ansem and ansem's shell is DiZ. So i would suspect that riku has a shell, is a shell himself or just doesnt have a shell.

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BTW: If this was a dumb question don't flame me, I just think it's wierd that BHK is probably linked to Sora but no one wonders about Riku.

If you're talking about how Sora a BHK are related but Riku isn't, its cause BHK is Sora's shell and Riku isnt related to Sora (besides being a keyblade weilder)

DrkNessOfHeart · October 25th, 2005, 12:48 AM

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Well riku did lose his heart to darkness yet he did not turn into a heartless, like ansem and ansem's shell is DiZ. So i would suspect that riku has a shell, is a shell himself or just doesnt have a shell.

its not confirmed that diz is ansems shell
2nd: i dont think riku lost his heart..he lost his body...to ansem..riku couldnt control darkness...that surprised diz....
and nice theory ainzX...i was thinking of that 2 but in a different way...

fantasygurl1227 · October 25th, 2005, 12:52 AM

Damn.....i can never think that much when im not in school lmao anyways awsome theory keep it up...**gives u a muffin**:rolleyes:

IF_IL_II_IP · October 25th, 2005, 01:04 AM

....oooohhhhhh............i need a few minutes to reflect on this wonderful and truly in depth theory of the nobodies. good job AinzX very good job.

RikuHeroOfDark · October 25th, 2005, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by i is ant

good theory..........but i got a thought

arnt hartless and nobodies the same kinda? cos they both ave no hearts. exept that a heartless 9is just a shell.no soul or heart.but nobodiesa re a shell and soul? it could be like a ladder..

heartless--body
nobody--body, soul
human--body, soul heart-complete

jus a theory.........or was it that a nobody has a heart and body n no soul?

if soemone could clear that up

no heartless are made from hearts not the body while nobodies are made from shells of a person
a human is made out of a heart, body, and soul
heart-emotions, memories,etc.
body-vessel for holding the heart and soul
soul-personality,etc.
the heart is strong enough to survive on its own while the soul stays in the body to power it

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But what about Riku then? Or maybe I'm not following that good. I mean, didn't he lose his heart to the darkness too. Yet we never hear talking about his shell. Or do we and I haven't read it yet.

riku never lost his heart to darkness he lost his shell to ansem who needed a vessel for his heart and riku was darkness but was not swallowed/taken over by the darkness. when ansem was defeated riku's shell returned to him in the door to darkness as it explains in this nomoura interview

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Question:
In the ending, Riku and the King are on the other side of the door. Why is that?

Nomura--As far as the King is concerned, he was on the other side from the beginning. He disappeared because he went to the world on the other side in order to find one of the two keys. There, he has his own adventure in the same way as Sora. As for Riku: his body stolen by Ansem, his heart did not remain in this world. The other side of the door is, just as it appears, darkness. So Riku's heart went to the world on the other side, that is to say just as Ansem was saying at the end, the world of darkness. Thus, when Ansem disappears and Riku returns to his original body, he is in the world of darkness

AinzX · October 25th, 2005, 10:42 PM

The body consists of a shell, soul and a heart

there is a major difference between a body and a shell
a body refers to a complete being - with all 'comonents'
a shell refers to a cast-off by the heart by which it is contained