Namine and Roxas - created at the same time?!

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by MxUltima

yeah they were born around the same time

Then we've got yet another insane plot hole.
I personally prefer struggling for an explanation otherwise.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Then in that case, I'll kindly request -

Proof plz!

This is your theory, present... better proof that Namine wasn't created at the same time as Roxas, besides the random Org. Membership join times, for that makes no sense and proves nothing.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by CHARGE

This is your theory, present... better proof that Namine wasn't created at the same time as Roxas, besides the random Org. Membership join times, for that makes no sense and proves nothing.

I already presented proof Roxas was recruited rather fast after he was created; when did they have time to recruit Larxene if Marluxia was just recruited?
Why did they put Marluxia in charge of Castle Oblivion unless he had time to prove himself?

They do make sense and prove that there had to have been a while between the scene with Xigbar and Zexion and Roxas being created - since he was recruited rather instantly.




Seriously though, you don't like the theory don't just come in and think you're so much better. It doesn't present you as such.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Seriously though, you don't like the theory don't just come in and think you're so much better. It doesn't present you as such.

*Sigh* nubcake, eat something real quick and suffocate before you lacrimate your eyeballs, causing you to dehydrate rather quickly.

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

I already presented proof Roxas was recruited rather fast after he was created;

Uhm, no you didnt, all you said was:

Originally Posted by nubcake

I don't think Roxas was recruited so long after he was created.
So when did they manage to recruit Larxene between Marluxia being recruited (a point in time we assume Namine already existed) and Roxas being recruited?
They hardly had time!

Roxas was literally joined into the Org when he was created, as shown here:

A New You

when did they have time to recruit Larxene if Marluxia was just recruited?

Hmm, it just could be before and during Sora's adventures

Why did they put Marluxia in charge of Castle Oblivion unless he had time to prove himself?

I don't know, i haven't played CoM in a long time.

They do make sense and prove that there had to have been a while between the scene with Xigbar and Zexion and Roxas being created - since he was recruited rather instantly.

that was a scene either before or during KH1. It doesnt prove anything other then suggestions to BBS.

Oh, and you might want to read this:

Originally Posted by Ansem Report 10

I have arrived at a hypothesis. I believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind gave rise to a Nobody. But what if one willingly releases one’s heart from one’s body? Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.

Originally Posted by Ansem Report 12

Apart from Namine’, Nobodies retain their memories of their time as humans, but Sora’s Nobody, Roxas, has lost his memories. This is likely because Sora’s time as a Heartless was short, having recovered his heart and returned to his human form soon after leaving behind Roxas, his Nobody. It would seem Roxas is much like Namine’. Namine’ is Kairi’s Nobody, but came into being via Sora’s body and soul.

Likewise, Roxas is Sora’s Nobody, but was left behind because Sora’s Heartless regained human form using Kairi’s heart instead of his own. It may be that Sora’s memories are slow to return because the half of him that is Roxas is still lacking. I must convert Roxas into data and return him to Sora. As a member of Organization XIII, it was exceedingly difficult to bring Roxas in. Having lost to Roxas once, Riku laid everything on the line and used the power of darkness in their second battle, only just managing to bring Roxas back with him.

So, your wrong. Even though everyone can fathom the obvious, besides you, Roxas and Namine were born at the same time.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by CHARGE

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Uhm, no you didnt, all you said was:



Roxas was literally joined into the Org when he was created, as shown here:

A New You

Yey, I edited that one. And I've seen people arguing someplaces whether the FM+ was canon or not.
I brought proof from the regular version. Go reread plz.

Hmm, it just could be before and during Sora's adventures

Assuming though that they already had Namine in CO - that would mean that during Sora's adventures - came before Roxas.

So, your wrong. Even though everyone can fathom the obvious, besides you, Roxas and Namine were born at the same time.

No, I just don't blindly follow the words of a man imprisoned in Darkness for ages, who refuses to see the truth when the words Nobody and Organization are flashed in front of him (see his attitude towards Roxas at the start of the game, as opposed to him apologizing to Roxas once it was Sora he was talking to), and who admits himself he has no idea what happened half of the times and that he's theorizing.
I've been told before "but he knows better than you since he's TEH Ansem TEH wise!"

Then why do we even have a forum here if everything's so true and positive and based in the game? Let's just put up a bunch o' links to FAQs and walkthroughs and go home

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Yey, I edited that one. And I've seen people arguing someplaces whether the FM+ was canon or not.
I brought proof from the regular version. Go reread plz.

It's even more confusing then the original

Assuming though that they already had Namine in CO - that would mean that during Sora's adventures - came before Roxas.

Dont assume.

Bring one shred of proof* the Org. XIII had namine before she was created, and ill bow down in defeat. Good luck finding the impossible.



*proof, as in defenitive, actual proof. Not: Marluvya join da organizartion, then and Larchseen did too!!+!!!!!1 Tehn Marulvcia molesterd Namine bee4 woman wass made!!!!+!!!! I is wright!!!!+!!1!!!!

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by CHARGE

It's even more confusing then the original

I'll explain.
That scene happened during the first Final Mix. That means Roxas was recruited almost instantly, seeing how it wasn't far from when he was created.
Ok?

Dont assume.

Bring one shred of proof* the Org. XIII had namine before she was created, and ill bow down in defeat. Good luck finding the impossible.

Setting things aside - is this the only fault you find in my theory? I'm seriously asking. After all this debate it'd be a relief, and I already admitted this would be one of the two points that would make the theory sink or swim.

...and I think you meant before Roxas was created, and not Namine herself. That'd be a kind of a paradox o.o;

(yes I'm ignoring you dissing me. Naturally I'm assuming she was "created" at another point in time if not Kairi being the Nobody all together ~_~ but we're discussing a specific point here)

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

I'll explain.
That scene happened during the first Final Mix. That means Roxas was recruited almost instantly, seeing how it wasn't far from when he was created.
Ok?

Roxas wasnt even in the first Final Mix, besides the endings... and they dont prove anything about time diffrences and such.

Setting things aside - is this the only fault you find in my theory? I'm seriously asking. After all this debate it'd be a relief, and I already admitted this would be one of the two points that would make the theory sink or swim.

...and I think you meant before Roxas was created, and not Namine herself. That'd be a kind of a paradox o.o;

Im sorry, what?

[tazztig]

Okay c, this is were i draw the line. (CHARGE)no need to explain anymore
to (SUFFERINGANGEL) you gave enough evidences to your thought....???

[Crimson Soul]

Originally Posted by tazztig

Okay c, this is were i draw the line. (CHARGE)no need to explain anymore
to (SUFFERINGANGEL) you gave enough evidences to your thought....???

Your post hardly matters

Anyways I for one do not think there is enough proof behind this theory. If there is no proof, and it was not explained in the game, than it is not true.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by tazztig

Okay c, this is were i draw the line. (CHARGE)no need to explain anymore
to (SUFFERINGANGEL) you gave enough evidences to your thought....???

No... actually i draw it here...

EPIC FAIL

Agreed, theres no need to keep throwing it at eack other when there
both no quite how it goes
sheeh

Grammer Please.

[R.o.x.a.s]

Originally Posted by tazztig

Okay c, this is were i draw the line. (CHARGE)no need to explain anymore
to (SUFFERINGANGEL) you gave enough evidences to your thought....???

Agreed, theres no need to keep throwing it at eack other when there
both no quite how it goes
sheeh

[tazztig]

Originally Posted by Endless Flames

Your post hardly matters

Anyways I for one do not think there is enough proof behind this theory. If there is no proof, and it was not explained in the game, than it is not true.

I never said he that there was enough proof to the theory, rather explaining
it and giving details to different parts of the game...???

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by CHARGE

Roxas wasnt even in the first Final Mix, besides the endings... and they dont prove anything about time diffrences and such.

Roxas himself no, but that scene is a flashback to Final Mix time.
He was there, with Xemnas, on the Beach, in his coat - namely, recruited.
In Final Mix time.
Before CoM.

Im sorry, what?

While I agreed from the beginning this is one hell of a fault, is this the only fault you found in here?
I'm asking on a basic level - if you see the logic behind this. I know I'm grasping... but the recruitment times still struck me as odd.

Originally Posted by tazztig

I never said he that there was enough proof to the theory, rather explaining
it and giving details to different parts of the game...???

...well, seeing how this is a theory, it's all I can do. Not like I can pull a Nomura interview out of a hat over this. I can just show my logical train of thought.
I'm talking about breaking facts in the game here. If I really could bring cold, hard facts rather than assumptions to show the game contradicts itself -
IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY, VERY SAD

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Roxas himself no, but that scene is a flashback to Final Mix time.
He was there, with Xemnas, on the Beach, in his coat - namely, recruited.
In Final Mix time.
Before CoM.

........... bye ...............