Castle Oblivion/Namine

[Ragnarocker]

Originally Posted by ngc50

Ive always wondered about how Sora really lost his memories in COM. Obviously Namine put in new memories, but IDK if the castle itself had anything to do with Sora actually losing the old ones.
Like in the beginning of the game, Marluxia basically tells Sora that the castle is erasing his memory, but we find out later that Namine is the reason he is losing his memories. WTF?!

So I guess my question is: Did Sora lose his memories because of the castle, or Namine? Or both? Or did the castle just erase memories while Namine implanted new ones?

The castle itself makes people lose memories. Namine only changed them and put fake ones.

~ragnarok

[Skater Nobody]

Originally Posted by ngc50

Ive always wondered about how Sora really lost his memories in COM. Obviously Namine put in new memories, but IDK if the castle itself had anything to do with Sora actually losing the old ones.
Like in the beginning of the game, Marluxia basically tells Sora that the castle is erasing his memory, but we find out later that Namine is the reason he is losing his memories. WTF?!

So I guess my question is: Did Sora lose his memories because of the castle, or Namine? Or both? Or did the castle just erase memories while Namine implanted new ones?

Wrong
Namine didn't give him new memories, just wiped his memory clear of Castle Oblivion

The whole thing with the castle, the further Sora adavnced the more he lost his memory. The reason Riku didn't is cause she didn't know about him until he was on the 9th basement? and by that time most of the members were gone, since Marluixa was wiped on the 6th basement (Riku's Story)

Namine has the ability to manipulate the memories of Sora and those close to him, the castle was a cover up for her being forced to wipe his mind to make him a puppet for Marluixa to takeover the Organization.

[wizy123]

Originally Posted by Skater Nobody

Wrong
Namine didn't give him new memories, just wiped his memory clear of Castle Oblivion

The whole thing with the castle, the further Sora adavnced the more he lost his memory. The reason Riku didn't is cause she didn't know about him until he was on the 9th basement? and by that time most of the members were gone, since Marluixa was wiped on the 6th basement (Riku's Story)

Namine has the ability to manipulate the memories of Sora and those close to him, the castle was a cover up for her being forced to wipe his mind to make him a puppet for Marluixa to takeover the Organization.

then how in the world did soras memory kiri and change to memories of Namine. and secondly what about the people in the other worlds, he forgot them all.

she fixed soras memories that is how he lost memory of castle oblivion............

[Skater Nobody]

Originally Posted by wizy123

then how in the world did soras memory kiri and change to memories of Namine. and secondly what about the people in the other worlds, he forgot them all.

she fixed soras memories that is how he lost memory of castle oblivion............

she didnt erase them
Marluxia had her manipulate them until he would be able to control him

as for Kairi/Namine = Marluxia used Namine as a replacement for Kairi so Sora would be motivated to continue

[Keyblade Spirit]

ACTUALLY...
If you have seen this cutscene from KH2 FM: YouTube - KH2FM+ Last New Scene (Subbed)
You'll see that Sora finally remembered Castle Oblivion. Namine said that the links that were made in CO came undone. She did not say that Sora would not have those memories anymore, she said that it would be harder to remember them.

[The Light]

yes marlexia does but it really is namine and he dosent loose them they were rearranged and some were deleated u can tell they were rearranged cause sora saw climpse of karii

[DestinyBlade]

Im pretty sure it was the castle........

[Valley of Chrome]

It was Namine.
The castle has something special but, it doesn't erase memories.

If the castle erase memories, Riku would have lost some too.

[I<3Roxas]

It was purely Namine's doing. Marluxia said what he said to get Sora to enter the castle, where Namine was being held. At which point, he tried to get Sora to become his puppet so that he could control him and take over the Org. The only thing the castle can do is project people's memories into its many white rooms. Nothing more, as far as we know. As others have said, if it were the castle, people like DiZ and Mickey and Riku would've had their memories messed with as well, and we know that didn't happen. Funny thing was that Marluxia didn't know how right he was when he told Sora that to find something he needed or wanted he'd have to give up something in return. Go figure!

[Cef]

Originally Posted by I<3Roxas

It was purely Namine's doing. Marluxia said what he said to get Sora to enter the castle, where Namine was being held. At which point, he tried to get Sora to become his puppet so that he could control him and take over the Org. The only thing the castle can do is project people's memories into its many white rooms. Nothing more, as far as we know. As others have said, if it were the castle, people like DiZ and Mickey and Riku would've had their memories messed with as well, and we know that didn't happen. Funny thing was that Marluxia didn't know how right he was when he told Sora that to find something he needed or wanted he'd have to give up something in return. Go figure!

Agreed, seconded, and rep'd^^

[Xicahmel]

I<3Roxas has it perfectly.

[R-K]

Originally Posted by Organization_42

No, she can't, but as she explained to Sora, he never "lost" his memories in the first place. She undid the chains that linked them together, put some new ones in that featured her, and basically rearranged things so that he couldn't recall Kairi or anyone besides Riku, Donald, and Goofy. That's why she told him that she could restore his memory, because she just had to find the old ones and put it back together again.

As others have already stated, this was all Namine's doing, not the castle. I'm sure the castle has many secrets, but I don't think memory loss is one of them. Even if it had no effect on Nobodies, something should have happened to Riku, DiZ, or King Mickey. But nothing did.

The castle is a weird place. Nomura said that the Organization members were using the memories of those that entered the castle in their experiements. But if they were using Nami to do that, then that presents a problem because Nami can only affect those that are connected to Sora. So I think that the memory stuff is a little more than just Nami but who knows, hopefully more details will be dished out in BBS.

Originally Posted by Keyblade Spirit

ACTUALLY...
If you have seen this cutscene from KH2 FM: YouTube - KH2FM+ Last New Scene (Subbed)
You'll see that Sora finally remembered Castle Oblivion. Namine said that the links that were made in CO came undone. She did not say that Sora would not have those memories anymore, she said that it would be harder to remember them.

Nomura says that if Sora were to remember anything about CO, it woudl be because Nami is a part of Sora, so when Roxas fused back with Sora and Nami fused back with Kairi, those memories came back to him. Or so says Nomura =/

[spade]

i believe the castle takes away and gives memories while naine adjusts them.

[R-K]

Originally Posted by Skater Nobody

Wrong
Namine didn't give him new memories, just wiped his memory clear of Castle Oblivion

The whole thing with the castle, the further Sora adavnced the more he lost his memory. The reason Riku didn't is cause she didn't know about him until he was on the 9th basement? and by that time most of the members were gone, since Marluixa was wiped on the 6th basement (Riku's Story)

Namine has the ability to manipulate the memories of Sora and those close to him, the castle was a cover up for her being forced to wipe his mind to make him a puppet for Marluixa to takeover the Organization.

Wrong. Nami did give him new memories. Larxene said so herself.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by Riku-Keyblade

The castle is a weird place. Nomura said that the Organization members were using the memories of those that entered the castle in their experiements. But if they were using Nami to do that, then that presents a problem because Nami can only affect those that are connected to Sora. So I think that the memory stuff is a little more than just Nami but who knows, hopefully more details will be dished out in BBS.

Keep in mind that the castle probably came with Namine and Namine came long before a lot of things in KH.
I think they're trying to cover it up with "experiments" for the most parts, though even in the original game people seemed able to look into Memories and create cards from them (like Vexen did with Riku).
The only difference is that they all have View permissions. Only Namine has Modify.

Nomura says that if Sora were to remember anything about CO, it woudl be because Nami is a part of Sora, so when Roxas fused back with Sora and Nami fused back with Kairi, those memories came back to him. Or so says Nomura =/

Which makes the whole issue of "let's get Roxas back to Sora so that Sora'd be whole issue one big fluke - since a part of them is in Namine, Roxas and Sora can't fuse back into a whole Somebody.
It could also explain why Namine and Kairi are also apart still in a way - Namine is a part of Sora; I wouldn't be surprised if they'd use that to split them up again, saying Kairi 'rejected' Namine as one would a transplanted organ that didn't fit - Namine wasn't a perfect match for Kairi because she came from Sora, not Kairi.