Deep Dive and the Thirteen Points Chart

[Angel Shards]

Alright, before I begin I understand that DD was made about two years ago and a lot of people say they feel that it isn't relivant. I would like to disagree. In my opinion the release of CoM has perhaps made ASAS/DD and the 13 Points even stronger.

Why?

Here's my take in the 13 Points:

XIII
"Where's Sora?"
"We must find him." Interp: This is most likely a statement made by Riku, the BHK, and/or Mickey. BHK asking 'Where's Sora?' in ASAS is pretty obvious. Their reason for having to find him? Who knows, but it's probably urgent.

XII
[Ansem's other report]
"A creation born of ignorance." Interp: Obvious it's Ansem's other report, one that is not in KH or KHFM. But what could he be referring to? I believe he may be referring to the Dusk. Why? Well, I think the Dusk are Heartless, but they were manufactured. Who knows, I'm just going out on a limb.

XI
"Behind the Darkness
Door to the Light." Interp: Simply put, it's saying behind the Darkness there is alwats a door to the Light.

X
The secret place
"His voice... it's left me."
"This time... I'll fight." Interp: I believe this is a statement made by Kairi. The secret place is on the Destiny Islands and that's where she currently is. Perhaps it is during the time of CoM (either when Sora is receiving false memories or when he's in that incubator) that Kairi can no longer feel/hear him. And, for whatever reason, this time she'll fight.

IX
A world between=A forgotten world
The gathering Interp:The gathering, before CoM, was the name for the Organization. The world between -the forgotten world- is probably where they originate.

VIII
NOBODY
The third enemy- Nobody
"Who is Nobody, you ask? They are the non-existent ones." Interp: I think it's quite obvious this another reference to the Organization. Throughout CoM Axel refers to himself and the others as 'nobodies.' And I think this statement proves that the Organization IS the enemy.

VII
ENDLESS
"What took so long, Kairi?"
"Can we do it? Against that."
HEARTLESS
"We have come for you, my liege."
"You are the source of all Heartless." Interp: O.O......... Um, OK! ENDLESS and the stuff after...Jesus, who the hell knows? I'm lost on this one. But HEARTLESS is obviously referring to someone who is the source of all Heartless. Ironically, it *could* be King Mickey....but I doubt it.

VI
[The 13th Order]
Metamorphosis
"Sora?"
"Sora... why?"
"Your Highness! But why? Interp: 'Metamorphosis' means to change. And the stuff after, who knows. Maybe The first is obviously dealing with Sora. Maybe he's joining ranks with the Organization? And as for the last one: I believe it's Donald and Goofy wondering why Mickey is dressed in the Unknown attire. I myself have a theory on that, but to mention it I'd be shot down. And I guess the 13th Order has to do with the Organization...Meh.

V
Change
The third key Interp: This has to do with the 'key' I think...obviously XD The Third Key might have to do with the 3rd World: The World of the In-Between.

IV
End of the world
"What is this place?"
"Is this the answer you've been looking for?"
"This is the wolrd in its true form."
"Maybe our journey means nothing after all." Interp: In KH the End of the World was the level where a World was about to end. It was basically in Darkness. Ansem said that all Worlds begin in Darkness and so end. So, maybe they're at another end of the world. The World in it's true form. Darkness.

III
Paradise Interp: In FM one of the Ansem reports mentioned the Four Worlds and which one would lead to paradise, or something or other. Which world is it?

II
"We'll go together." Interp: When this comes up in DD there are four slots: one with the GEU, one with the BFU, one with the BWU, and one with the SU.

Now, I don't think those are the ones who will 'Go together.' I think that it means the people who belong to the Four Worlds will 'go together.' But to where? Perhaps to open to the door to Light and close the door to Darkness forever!

This is just my theory. Please feel free to comment, flame, and add your own theories.

[nighthawkmk2]

i think you have some pretty awsome opinions good work

Wow, nice interps there Shards, would love to hear your take on VI.

The only thing that I can safely say is that our unknowns (or at least what's left of them from CoM) are going to be extremely pivotal, maybe Axel even more so.

The 'Ironic King Mickey' was also rather clever, so applauds all round.

[EmZexion]

XIII
I argee on this one
XII
Maybe it is the dusk or something else or just a report on the dusk


XI
Yes this is right

X
I don't like the ideal of kairi fighting,but its her or namine.

IX
The forgotten world is twilght Town and thats where the unknowns live.

VIII
This is right too
VII
I think either Sora or Ansem is the source of heartless.And the quote "We have come for you, my liege." is the organization saying this to DiZ or Sora?The rest of it I don't know.

VI
I too think Sora gonna is join the organization.Could the quote "Your Highness! But why? be referring to Sora he might be the King of the Unknowns or something?

V
I think this is talking about BHK's Keyblade?

IV
Don't know

III
Have no ideal

II
I think the four unknowns are people we know

DWU:BHK obviously

BFU:Its either Riku or the Riku Replica,but the RIku replica die so i'am not sure.

SU:its either Kairi or the EM.

GEU:Could be Zexion,DiZ, or Sora.DD seems to take place in the future so maybe its older Sora?

This is what I believe.

[oppositearmor]

pretty good, but i still think that the 13 points is a basic story line of KH2.

[imallaboutKH]

GREAT THEORY!!!! just to add to that, i think the world in between is the 'road of twilight' from RR in CoM. remember how one the road on the left led to light, while the right went to darkness, and the one in the middle was of twilight. just my thought

[jmaine06]

On point 12, 'A creation born of ignorance'. A synonym for ignorance is the word 'oblivion' and 'mindlessness'. This could stand for the fact that the 'nobodies' were created from mindlessness (having no purpose or direction). The word oblivion would explain the name of the castle (total forgetfullness).

The mindlessness of the 'nobodies' would reside in oblivion since they have no direction.

[.:Kay-El:.]

You don't even know the SE is still using the 13 Points Graph. And some of your interps are a bit wrong....Dusk arent Heartless. Thats obvious.

One, VII is talking about Ansem. Ansem used to rule Hallow Bastion. He was their leader. And its obvious he's the source of all of them since he started it all.

VI could be talking about someone other than Mickey, like the King of another world or Queen like Queen Minnie. Pete in the old show used to kid nap Minnie. What if he kid napped her and forced her to do something or something bad was going to happen

Over all u did good. even though I still believe the 13 points graph will have nothing to do with KH2

[GuardianSora]

Originally Posted by Keyblade Shards

Alright, before I begin I understand that DD was made about two years ago and a lot of people say they feel that it isn't relivant. I would like to disagree. In my opinion the release of CoM has perhaps made ASAS/DD and the 13 Points even stronger.

Why?

Here's my take in the 13 Points:

XIII
"Where's Sora?"
"We must find him." Interp: This is most likely a statement made by Riku, the BHK, and/or Mickey. BHK asking 'Where's Sora?' in ASAS is pretty obvious. Their reason for having to find him? Who knows, but it's probably urgent.

XII
[Ansem's other report]
"A creation born of ignorance." Interp: Obvious it's Ansem's other report, one that is not in KH or KHFM. But what could he be referring to? I believe he may be referring to the Dusk. Why? Well, I think the Dusk are Heartless, but they were manufactured. Who knows, I'm just going out on a limb.

XI
"Behind the Darkness
Door to the Light." Interp: Simply put, it's saying behind the Darkness there is alwats a door to the Light.

X
The secret place
"His voice... it's left me."
"This time... I'll fight." Interp: I believe this is a statement made by Kairi. The secret place is on the Destiny Islands and that's where she currently is. Perhaps it is during the time of CoM (either when Sora is receiving false memories or when he's in that incubator) that Kairi can no longer feel/hear him. And, for whatever reason, this time she'll fight.

IX
A world between=A forgotten world
The gathering Interp:The gathering, before CoM, was the name for the Organization. The world between -the forgotten world- is probably where they originate.

VIII
NOBODY
The third enemy- Nobody
"Who is Nobody, you ask? They are the non-existent ones." Interp: I think it's quite obvious this another reference to the Organization. Throughout CoM Axel refers to himself and the others as 'nobodies.' And I think this statement proves that the Organization IS the enemy.

VII
ENDLESS
"What took so long, Kairi?"
"Can we do it? Against that."
HEARTLESS
"We have come for you, my liege."
"You are the source of all Heartless." Interp: O.O......... Um, OK! ENDLESS and the stuff after...Jesus, who the hell knows? I'm lost on this one. But HEARTLESS is obviously referring to someone who is the source of all Heartless. Ironically, it *could* be King Mickey....but I doubt it.

VI
[The 13th Order]
Metamorphosis
"Sora?"
"Sora... why?"
"Your Highness! But why? Interp: 'Metamorphosis' means to change. And the stuff after, who knows. Maybe The first is obviously dealing with Sora. Maybe he's joining ranks with the Organization? And as for the last one: I believe it's Donald and Goofy wondering why Mickey is dressed in the Unknown attire. I myself have a theory on that, but to mention it I'd be shot down. And I guess the 13th Order has to do with the Organization...Meh.

V
Change
The third key Interp: This has to do with the 'key' I think...obviously XD The Third Key might have to do with the 3rd World: The World of the In-Between.

IV
End of the world
"What is this place?"
"Is this the answer you've been looking for?"
"This is the wolrd in its true form."
"Maybe our journey means nothing after all." Interp: In KH the End of the World was the level where a World was about to end. It was basically in Darkness. Ansem said that all Worlds begin in Darkness and so end. So, maybe they're at another end of the world. The World in it's true form. Darkness.

III
Paradise Interp: In FM one of the Ansem reports mentioned the Four Worlds and which one would lead to paradise, or something or other. Which world is it?

II
"We'll go together." Interp: When this comes up in DD there are four slots: one with the GEU, one with the BFU, one with the BWU, and one with the SU.

Now, I don't think those are the ones who will 'Go together.' I think that it means the people who belong to the Four Worlds will 'go together.' But to where? Perhaps to open to the door to Light and close the door to Darkness forever!

This is just my theory. Please feel free to comment, flame, and add your own theories.

I agree on this as well. Why? BEcause I think the same thing as you. I agree because it's probably right. But we're going to have to wait to find out. Awesome post!

[Mikail]

Good views.. Dont agree with them all but they are really good interps.

[LightSide]

Ansem wasn't actually the creator of the heartless, he discovered them. According to the ARs he did experiments on the heartless and marked the results with the same symbol that can be seen on the side of Hollow Bastion. The weakest form of heartless lack this symbol and were the original ones.

I think VII refers to someone other than Ansem, the person who's the real source of the Heartless. It's also my opinion that it's this person who will be the 'Big Bad' in KH2.

[Darkness Riku]

Wow,convincing.

[blinded-by-light]

I believe that the 13 points might represent the amount of "non-existents" cause in CoM u see 6, 5 of which die (or wtvr happens to them) then in the KH2 preview u see one of them (probably Axel) calling some other non-existent ones and im pretty sure 5 appear for a total of 12 plus the "superior"=13 non-existent ones

anyway about ur interpretations...

XIII
I agree it seems everyone is looking for sora so he'll probably have an even BIGGER role in KH2

XII
[Ansem's other report]
I kinda agree, he might be talking about the dusk or the heartless and "born of ignorance" because it was he who discovered them and allowed them to open the heart of Hollow Bastion giving them access to those other hearts of worlds that might have been connected with it

XI
yea that ones kind of a given

X
yea meaning this time she'll actually get up off her a$$ and do something

IX
A world between=A forgotten world
i think their talking about the world between the light and the dark and how now everyone has forgotten that u dont always have to be just good or just bad

VIII
not nesecarily i mean i think thats also a big possibility but the organization hasent given their true intentions yet (larxene, marluxia plan to over through the organization---- zexion, laxeus and vexen want to stop them from doing it---- axel hasent reveal what he plans to do----and DiZ hasnt done anything bad he just pushed riku to make a choice but did not influence him into piking one, the choice was entirely his

VII
i agree though it might be one of the good guys who turned bad or decided to do something that might have seemed wrong but at the end would be the greater good (like riku staying in the realm of darkness

VI
i have no idea

V
yea and that third key or the one in between, would be BHK since he is light and dark

IV
yea ok i remember that and they might heve thought they were too late to save that world so it had been "useless"

III
not exactly sure about this

II
maybe it meant the 4 keyblade masters, like sora, riku, BHK and mickey and together they could seal the "final door" or something

u did great i really agree with most and that rarely happens to me

[.:Kay-El:.]

Originally Posted by LightSide

Ansem wasn't actually the creator of the heartless, he discovered them. According to the ARs he did experiments on the heartless and marked the results with the same symbol that can be seen on the side of Hollow Bastion. The weakest form of heartless lack this symbol and were the original ones.

I think VII refers to someone other than Ansem, the person who's the real source of the Heartless. It's also my opinion that it's this person who will be the 'Big Bad' in KH2.

Ansem created the artificial Heartless. They are the real pest. You don't run into the real ones as much as the artificial ones. Plus Ansem caused the Heartless to appear and can obviously control them. He's the source, he's the big bad

[(~Perfection_Achieved~)]

My thought's on yours:

XIII
"Where's Sora?"
"We must find him." Interp: I agree with yours

XII
[Ansem's other report]
"A creation born of ignorance." Interp: In my opinion, after playing Reverse Rebirth I've come to the conclution that DiZ is Ansem's Twilight. And I think he wrote that report, and spoke of the mistakes by his original, Ansem.

XI
"Behind the Darkness
Door to the Light." Interp: Simply put, it's saying behind the Darkness there is alwats a door to the Light.-- Agreed

X
The secret place
"His voice... it's left me."
"This time... I'll fight." Interp: I believe this is a statement made by Kairi. The secret place is on the Destiny Islands and that's where she currently is. Perhaps it is during the time of CoM (either when Sora is receiving false memories or when he's in that incubator) that Kairi can no longer feel/hear him. And, for whatever reason, this time she'll fight. --Agreed

IX
A world between=A forgotten world
The gathering Interp:The gathering, before CoM, was the name for the Organization. The world between -the forgotten world- is probably where they originate.--Yeah, I think that's Twilight Town.

VIII
NOBODY
The third enemy- Nobody
"Who is Nobody, you ask? They are the non-existent ones." Interp: I think it's quite obvious this another reference to the Organization. Throughout CoM Axel refers to himself and the others as 'nobodies.' And I think this statement proves that the Organization IS the enemy.--Definetly agreed, I noticed that too.

VII
ENDLESS
"What took so long, Kairi?"
"Can we do it? Against that."
HEARTLESS
"We have come for you, my liege."
"You are the source of all Heartless." Interp: O.O......... Um, OK! ENDLESS and the stuff after...Jesus, who the hell knows? I'm lost on this one. But HEARTLESS is obviously referring to someone who is the source of all Heartless. Ironically, it *could* be King Mickey....but I doubt it.-- I think that ENDLESS is throwing us off, the "What took so long Kairi?" I think is Sora talking to her; " Can we do it? Against that." is speaking of the "Heartless War" as seen in the trailer, I'm sure of it. And I think the source is either Ansem or DiZ, but a real Nomura twist would be sora.

VI
[The 13th Order]
Metamorphosis
"Sora?"
"Sora... why?"
"Your Highness! But why? Interp: 'Metamorphosis' means to change. And the stuff after, who knows. Maybe The first is obviously dealing with Sora. Maybe he's joining ranks with the Organization? And as for the last one: I believe it's Donald and Goofy wondering why Mickey is dressed in the Unknown attire. I myself have a theory on that, but to mention it I'd be shot down. And I guess the 13th Order has to do with the Organization...Meh.

---I think the 13th Order is the name of the organization, and I also believe that Sora will either be forced into joining or as Nomura said 'The clothes have an importantance in the story' So maybe when Sora went through so much Darkness (the climax of KH and the events of CoM) it might have tainted him, visa~ve the Darker look. And I agree with the Mickey part.

V
Change
The third key Interp: This has to do with the 'key' I think...obviously XD The Third Key might have to do with the 3rd World: The World of the In-Between.

---I agree, but we've seen the three keys, already. Sora's, Riku's, Mickey's. And in DD we still only saw 3 keys DWU/BHK's Oathkeeper and Oblivion, and Mickey's Golden Kingdom Key. So I think Mickey's might be meant for some one else. Think about it, Riku was thought to be meant for the Key of Light (Sora's) but it turned out that it belonged to Sora. Riku then obtained the Heart Unlocker keychain (Which he used on the Key of Darkness). Then mickey had a keyblade; now I think that you can wield a Keyblade if you have the heart of a Keyblade Master (That doesn't mean you are one) So maybe Mickey has the Heart of a KM, but he's not meant to use it, He even said he was seaching for the KM. And I think he knows it, he killed the Darksides to save Riku, and then used the Key to seal the door (All when he HAD to). But in Reverse Rebirth, he never used his keyblade. I think he's searching for the true owner, which might be BHK since only he fits that type of role.

IV
End of the world
"What is this place?"
"Is this the answer you've been looking for?"
"This is the wolrd in its true form."
"Maybe our journey means nothing after all." Interp: In KH the End of the World was the level where a World was about to end. It was basically in Darkness. Ansem said that all Worlds begin in Darkness and so end. So, maybe they're at another end of the world. The World in it's true form. Darkness.

---I think that the 'Dark Beach' is were this takes place (the D.Beach could be the FMV form) And I believe this DB is the "true form" of Destiny Islands.

III
Paradise Interp: In FM one of the Ansem reports mentioned the Four Worlds and which one would lead to paradise, or something or other. Which world is it?

--Um....... Maybe their talking about the "Promised Land" of FFVII..... Long shot, I know.

II
"We'll go together." Interp: When this comes up in DD there are four slots: one with the GEU, one with the BFU, one with the BWU, and one with the SU.

Now, I don't think those are the ones who will 'Go together.' I think that it means the people who belong to the Four Worlds will 'go together.' But to where? Perhaps to open to the door to Light and close the door to Darkness forever!

--Yeah sure, sounds good enough.