Axel is Riku's Nobody?

[iw4nt2r4p3s0r4]

I hope not to sound overly conclusive, but I certainly think that there is a good chance that Axel was Riku's nobody.
Here is the evidence I would call in favor of the Axel = Riku's nobody theory:

-Axel has an inexplicable bond with Roxas
-Riku and Axel(as far as I can tell) have the same eye color. Maybe I'm colorblind, but to me, they both look like they are a cyan-like color.
-Their(Riku and Axel's) personalities are contrasted: Riku, a composed, couth young man, Axel outgoing and compulsive. In the same way, Sora and Roxas have opposing personalities.
-In the few flashbacks that showed interaction between Axel and Roxas, I swear I could have replaced Axel with Sora and Roxas with Riku and seen the two acting that way. Sora and Riku have opposite personalities, so it would only make sense that Roxas's attitude, also opposite of Sora's, would nearly match Riku's. Basically, they get along similarly, but each counterpart seems to play the role of the other(Did that make any sense at all?). Axel was the one trying to cheer up Roxas and such, while Roxas was convinced he could do everything on his own(Sound familiar?).


Here is the evidence that would oppose the theory(that I can think of):

-It is not stated in the game. This is the biggest evidence out there. Unless it was hidden for a specific reason, to be revealed in the next game, I don't understand why it would be hidden.
-Riku never fully became a heartless, nor did his heart leave his body. Is this true? So I've been told.
-They apparently don't look too much alike. I think they could easily be compared, myself, although Axel does look less broadly built than Riku(This is also a difficult thing to compare them by, since Riku slouches like mad and Axel wears much more tightly fitting clothing).
-Axel without an x(ael) does not rearrange to Riku. I am not sure about this. I think that if you take away the a, the e, and the l, and add an r, an i, a k, and a u, it fits perfectly! Please don't take me seriously.
But really, as far as the name theory goes, it was never a stated fact in the game that the organization's names were rearranged. Did they rename themselves that way? As part of the organization? Or did their nobodies simply 'know' to call themselves this? Are they not nameless initially? Shells of their former selves? Apparently not all of them, if any, retain memories of their former selves. Or is this because of Namine's tampering with Sora's memories, that Roxas knew nothing of why he had keyblades, etc? I guess that would probably explain that. However, there is still a hole in the name theory, as well as in all of the rest of them. It cannot be proven one way or the other, I fear. I do think it leans toward the idea that Axel is not Riku's nobody. Not because of their appearances or names, but mostly due to the fact that it was not revealed.

Then again, what if Axel did not truly fade in KH2? Did he not once feign his death in CoM? Or was that not quite as apparent? If he is, indeed, still slinking about in the darkness, is it possible that KH3 might include his dealings and thus end up revealing his origin?

You've got me!

Please correct me if I have not cited something correctly, or to add in any assessments of your own. This is a very interesting theory, and not one that can so easily be pushed aside.

[Americo]

The biggest peice of information is right in bloody COM. Sora was the ONLY person to create a Nobody yet continue to exist, outside of the leader (Ansem // Xehanort) so that means Axel can NOT be Riku's Nobody since Riku still exists.

THAT PROVES IT.

[sephy 9 2 5]

How did this crazy thread start????

Now that I read it; it sounds pretty good but there are events in the game that bring your imagination back to reality.

^ MIF said all that needed to be said.

[iw4nt2r4p3s0r4]

Originally Posted by MyInnerFred

The biggest peice of information is right in bloody COM. Sora was the ONLY person to create a Nobody yet continue to exist, outside of the leader (Ansem // Xehanort) so that means Axel can NOT be Riku's Nobody since Riku still exists.

THAT PROVES IT.

That does not prove it, however.

Namine exists as Kairi's nobody, and apparently they did not know this(if what you said is true). Thus, they might not know about Axel in the same way.

However, you do bring me to a point that I would, indeed call, absolute proof.

Riku has a weapon specific to himself, his own keyblade of sorts. Axel does not wield this weapon.

Alright, I'm convinced. But sad to admit so. :(

[Riku's Twilight]

Cool theory, but not possible. I wish though. I liked Axel. He was the only Org. member I liked.

[Americo]

Originally Posted by iw4nt2r4p3s0r4

That does not prove it, however.

Namine exists as Kairi's nobody, and apparently they did not know this(if what you said is true). Thus, they might not know about Axel in the same way.

However, you do bring me to a point that I would, indeed call, absolute proof.

Riku has a weapon specific to himself, his own keyblade of sorts. Axel does not wield this weapon.

Alright, I'm convinced. But sad to admit so. :(

Namine was not born of natural birth either though, while she was a nobody she wasn't really Kairi's. She was a mix creation of Sora and Kairi when there hearts were together and Sora became a heartless. The Organization did know about her though because thats why they used her. She could manipulate Sora's memories because of how she was related to him.

With that said I'll go to the BETTER proof. Ansem the Wise. He knows about ALL the creations and if Riku was related to Axel, it would have been stated. He knew of Roxas and Sora, and Namine and Kairi's relations. He knew all of it. Yet nothing of Riku and Axel.

[Dream Theater]

There are prob'ly a lot of Nobody relations that Ansem the Wise DOESN'T know about. Larxene for example. Do you think Ansem the Wise knows about her human counterpart? What about Lexeaus, Vexen, Marluxia, Xigbar, Sa'i'x, Demyx, Luxord, and Xaldin? He doesn't know about their human counterparts. Maybe this is part of the reason he infiltrated TCTNW, to find out the identities of the remaining members of Organization XIII. Maybe he wanted to find out Axel's human counterpart while still learning more about Organization XIII. Just a thought.

[Americo]

If you paid attention to anything in the game you would know...

A. He already knows the human counter-parts of Lexeaus, Vexen, Xigbar, and Xaldin.
B. He infultrated TWTNW in order to stop Xenmas' plans to use Kingdom Hearts.
C. The other members of The Organization were just pawns, played no real role in the actual Organization because they were no one important. Just random strong nobodies that Xenmas recruited to help him get his goal. The only important members were the first 6 (since they were the true brains, most powerful and part of Ansem's staff at Hollow Bastion) and Roxas because he is the Nobody of Sora.

Also Axel would have used a Keyblade of some sorts if he was Riku's nobody since, you know, Roxas used Sora's.

Axel can not be Riku's nobody. Riku never lost his shell, never became a Nobody and Axel was created before Riku even encounted the Heartless. It's impossible.

As proven by the fact that Xenmas hasn't aged since he was created (which was about 13-14 years before KH2) we don't even know HOW long ago Axel was even created. He could have been wandering around as a Nobody for 30-40 years for all we know.

[Dream Theater]

Okaaay, whatever.
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[krazyaznsyco]

well, im not into all these theories and still not convinced, but even though i believe hes not riku's nobody, there are many other reasons that he could be his nobody. Despite people thinking that riku never lost his shell is a little biased. i was sure he lost it when ansem took over it. whether or not people think its not "losing" a body, it technically is in my opinion. He lost his heart into darkness and than was able to recieve his body back later on. The reason for Axel's height being so tall was because riku lost his heart into darkness by being possessed my "Ansem", a tall guy, causing riku to be nothing but a soul that posess powers and a body possessed by Ansem and when the heart was cast out by Ansem ,another body was made, Axel.

The possibility of his name being Axel and not something like Kurix or something is becasue he has no memory of being riku like how namine has no memory of kairi so he made up his own name.

Axel's real name could have be Lea or something or his real name really is Axel. His name could be Lea or something, and theres a chance, too because, well, look at Sora's name. Its a chicks name too!!! And riku's name is like the chick from final fantasy 10. jsut take out 1 R. Maybe he had the X added in when he oined the organization.

I dont believe any of this but just a penny for a thought.

maybe this could help you streghten your opinions, or better yet, ask nomura yourself.

[GodofWar1]

Axel is probably Rikus nobody. They both are Arrogant. They both think that they can beat their best friend at anything.

[Riku123698745]

Well, i don't think that riku and axel are origanal self and nobody, but maybe nomura is gonna go on a huge twist that no one wouldv'e expected because [Spoiler] the organization is dead or are they and smaller parts of the organization wasn't taken seriously and Kari doesn't fit into Namine` plus it doesn't have an x and axel DID alaways try to think of his reputation, so... maybe axel was born in a weird way like namine` and his name wasn't corect as of my theory of Xehanort being a nobody that became a Heartless.[/spoiler]

[OmniChaos]

Yeah, but Riku never turned into a Heartless. He was only being controled by one.

[Dream Theater]

I think that means he technically IS a Heartless, but hey, who cares what I think.

[iw4nt2r4p3s0r4]

I have to agree. I would think that, at best, there's no way of knowing whether a nobody was created when Riku was posessed. The pure lack of knowing the exact mechanisms and to what precise extent of the posession reached is enough to tell me that I have no idea if a nobody was created or not. It could have been.