~Did Riku ever become a heartless?~

[The Conquerer]

Originally Posted by Beauxxx

Okay, HOLD on a second, you saying that just because Sora & Riku are friends, and that Sora's nobody (Roxas) & Axel are friends-that automatically makes Axel "Riku's" nobody?? Well, it's a good idea to think about for the moment, considering the whole "best-friend"-factor & the fact that Axel & Riku seem to act similarly in certain sitations..However, if you look closely you'll notice a few things:


#-Both Axel and Riku not only look completely different physically, but are very different in age (You may try to argue about this because both of their eyes are almost the exact same color, but notice the possible height difference, hair, facial features/attributes/etc)


#-Axel and Riku's main elements & weapons that they choose to weild do not tie to eachother whatsoever (Example: You have Axel who chooses to control fire on a flaming chakram, while Riku had wielded the "Soul Eater in CoM" & was seen brandishing the "Way to Dawn-keyblade (a mixture between Darkness & Light)"-in KH-2) +To further prove the differences, you have the fact that both Roxas & Sora had been wielding replicas of the exact same keyblades when you played as them in the game-meaning that in order for a whole being (Sora) & it's nobody (Roxas) to tie to one another, that they'll have to wield weapons and elements that trade back between one another (Oblivion=Darkness, Oathkeeper=Light) So in other words, do you think that "Darkness" & "Fire" relate/resemble to one another?


+I'm sure there will be other people in this thread that will also give you heavier differences between the two characters-some of them could be talking about examples in KH-1 & CoM. But that's my 2 cents of a description worth right now, I'll try to post a bit more on this later.

Thanks for clearing up the whole Axel and Riku thing. Now it saves me the trouble of having to say how much different they are.lol

Riku never became a heartless. Yes in Kingdom Hearts Xehanort had control of Riku's body. Riku's heart did infact leave his body, and Riku's heart was sent to the place in which all lost hearts go. My guess the realm of darkness.

Riku did not get a nobody because when Xehanort took full control of his body, his heart was sent to the realm of darkness but his body was not casted off because Xehanort had control of the body.

I also have proof indicating that Riku's heart has left his body. Remeber in Kingdom Hearts when Xehanort said don't bother your voice can no longer reach him where he is, his heart belongs again to darkness, this indicates that Riku's heart was sent some place else. Also Riku managed to get control of his body again when Sora and the gang weaken Xehanort. That resulted in Riku gaining control of his body. That is why Riku was at the door, and he helped Sora close the door to darkness.

Watch this clip and everything would become clearer.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LgfBkq1kf...0in%20darkness

Riku has no nobody or heartless, end of story.

[SH_Brat]

Originally Posted by Beauxxx

Okay, I think you might have just somehow started to convince me-However, I only have one little question to ask you: “What would happen to Sora, if Roxas get’s destroyed?”
-Answer this, & your answer will depict whether or not Axel is truly Riku’s nobody. You may not think so RIGHT NOW, but like I said before, from whatever happens to Roxas AS A NOBODY, we’ll be able to tell if what you’re saying is true (which it might be, but still ask yourself this for a second)-which is also irony because it symbolizes your spoiler

Well, we really don't know what happens to a Nobody. I mean it says they fade into darkness, but why? It doen't make sense that it would just fade a leave the heart to be forever in darkness. I'm thinking that they either reunite with their hearts( Which may be possible. Tetsuya Nomura said the Org. was dead. That doesn't mean them), or they get transfered somewhere waiting for there heart to be set free. Sort of like Kingdom Hearts. Only for souls and bodily forms. They could reunite like hearts reunite with their nobodies. That guy in Traverse Town is a very good example. We witnessed him turn into a heartless, but after we defeated the first boss he suddenly appeared again. Unharmed and probably unmemorible of the whole event. That would probably go for Sora, too. If Roxas had been destoryed he would have probably reunited with Sora. Either way, it proves Riku and Axel could be the same person beacuse Axel would be the other half of Rikus power, just as Roxas is to Sora.

[Beauxxx]

Originally Posted by SH Brat

If Roxas had been destoryed he would have probably reunited with Sora. Either way, it proves Riku and Axel could be the same person beacuse Axel would be the other half of Rikus power, just as Roxas is to Sora.

-Which finally brings me to the main point in what I was trying to tell you, so take a look back at what you just said. –You say (as a possibility) that when Roxas meaning a (nobody) get’s destroyed, that they return to their original selves meaning (Sora)-correct? Well if that was the case, since “Axel” had faded away or so to speak back in KH-2, if your analogy was right..would THAT mean that Riku would have been a “whole” being towards the end of the [SPOILER]game before Ansem’s heartless let go of it’s control on his physical appearance? (not his personality, etc)[/spoiler]

-So my basic question: “Was Axel in Riku’s body if nobodies (as you say) are supposed to return to their original bodies when they start fading away?”
+(it’s a funny explanation) But you say that Axel resembles Riku’s form just because you’re assuming that Riku’s nobody (Axel) received a tan when he (while in Ansem’s body) had gotten blasted by the light from Kingdom Hearts?

[The Conquerer]

Actually when nobodies fade away they become nothing and they vanish. Axel became nothing because he faded away and died when he used up all his strength. Axel and Riku has nothing in common what so ever. Face it, Riku and Axel will never be similar.

[SH_Brat]

Originally Posted by Beauxxx

-Which finally brings me to the main point in what I was trying to tell you, so take a look back at what you just said. –You say (as a possibility) that when Roxas meaning a (nobody) get’s destroyed, that they return to their original selves meaning (Sora)-correct? Well if that was the case, since “Axel” had faded away or so to speak back in KH-2, if your analogy was right..would THAT mean that Riku would have been a “whole” being towards the end of the [SPOILER]game before Ansem’s heartless let go of it’s control on his physical appearance? (not his personality, etc)[/spoiler]

Pretty much!

Originally Posted by Beauxxx

-So my basic question: “Was Axel in Riku’s body if nobodies (as you say) are supposed to return to their original bodies when they start fading away?”
+(it’s a funny explanation) But you say that Axel resembles Riku’s form just because you’re assuming that Riku’s nobody (Axel) received a tan when he (while in Ansem’s body) had gotten blasted by the light from Kingdom Hearts?

-Well, yeah. It would only be right that Axel returned to Riku.
+Yeah. His phsical features were kind of blended in with Xenhanorts. Enabling Axel to be unrecognizible as Riku. Where as his personality stayed the same because it was originally Rikus body. That would also be why he had no memory of Riku.

[Riku123698745]

the question is not did riku become a heartless but why didn't he to some people at khinsider.

[Beauxxx]

Originally Posted by Riku123698745

the question is not did riku become a heartless but why didn't he to some people at khinsider.

-A funny ironic twist to the thread's topic & somewhat true ^^


Now anyway, back to our previous discussion:

Originally Posted by SH Brat

-Well, yeah. It would only be right that Axel returned to Riku.
+Yeah. His phsical features were kind of blended in with Xenhanorts. Enabling Axel to be unrecognizible as Riku.

-Okay lol, then if that was the case then Xeanhort’s physical appearance would have enabled AXEL to have a totally different shade in hair color. Plus not only that, but how does White-Silver + Grayish Silver automatically=RED, out of completely nowhere if neither Riku or Xeanhort have any traces of THAT color, or combination that EQUALS that color on their bodies?

I know, that my argument may have lost a bit of it’s depth since I’m now talking about HAIR COLOR, like an outsider would think, but it’s still an important factor that you could try looking at for awhile. +When someone with a strong heart becomes a heartless, their heart becomes devoured, while traits from their original beings transfer over to their nobodies (which complies with what both you and I have just said)

[SH_Brat]

Originally Posted by Beauxxx

-A funny ironic twist to the thread's topic & somewhat true ^^


Now anyway, back to our previous discussion:



-Okay lol, then if that was the case then Xeanhort’s physical appearance would have enabled AXEL to have a totally different shade in hair color. Plus not only that, but how does White-Silver + Grayish Silver automatically=RED, out of completely nowhere if neither Riku or Xeanhort have any traces of THAT color, or combination that EQUALS that color on their bodies?

I know, that my argument may have lost a bit of it’s depth since I’m now talking about HAIR COLOR, like an outsider would think, but it’s still an important factor that you could try looking at for awhile. +When someone with a strong heart becomes a heartless, their heart becomes devoured, while traits from their original beings transfer over to their nobodies (which complies with what both you and I have just said)

Well, Roxas and Namine had blonde hair. Sora had brown hair and well you know Namine,
[Spoiler] Her true form was Kairi and Kairi had red hair.[/spoiler]
I know how they were made, Roxas and Namine I mean, but I don't know how they got blonde hair. I mean, Soras hair didn't have blonde in it till the second game,so...Also,
[Spoiler] Lol, I'm the only one who probably didn't know this.
I didn't think Kairi had anything to do with Namine when I first saw her.
Now I know the truth.
It's still hard to believe.
They're features really aren't that simular untill you are told who she is.
Then you recognize her, but even I still had trouble believeing.
After I read the Secret Ansem Reports it all became clear.[/spoiler]
I guess the hair was kind of a throw back. Just like Namines and Roxas'.

[luckyriku777]

yo riku was a heartless remember at the end where he looked like ansem until ansem the wises machine blew up and he turned back to normal