What's DiZ's Deal?

[Cloudy_Card]

Now that I have your attention, this is a thread/theory about DiZ. Please keep what you have to say in this thread aboutmy theory, DiZ or post another theory. Don't argue with eachother about stuff, PLEASE! My GEU/BHK/Namine thread has turned into a ravenous, pointless beast!
So.... here goes:

What we know about DiZ:
- He is friendly and very smart, he helped Riku out a great deal in RR.
- He walks the path of Twilight
- The above point means that he is a nobody
- He is believed to be Ansem's nobody (I will explain later)
- He wants to Destroy the Organisation
- He is possibly a former member of the Organisation (this was revealed in a very recent interview)

Theories/Most likely What will happen:

Ansem's Nobody:
Vexen decribes DiZ as "He who is Ansem, and yet is not Ansem" so he is Ansem in some form. And if you recall, When Ansem plunged into darkness, he discarded his body, and a shell/nobody(the official name) is the leftover body and soul of a strong heart. So the points lead to the general consensus of DiZ being Ansem's nobody. DiZ is also a good guy in some aspects. Since he would be Ansem's body before Ansem went all Darkness-crazy, he is still the good king that Ansem used to be. Also, in Reverse/Rebirth, Mickey says that he and DiZ seem to have met, and in Ansem's Report #9, Ansem talks about meeting another king (Mickey). Diz also has the same skin tone and eyes as Ansem, which gives physical evidence. So it all adds up to DiZ being Ansem's nobody.

DiZ's Desires:
DiZ wants to destroy the Organisation, this might be because he was a former member who was maybe kicked out or something worse. Now, he wants the Organisation gone, and needs powerful people to do it. In CoM/RR, he was able to convince Riku and Mickey to walk to path of Twilight, but DiZ has other intentions for them. DiZ gave Riku and Mickey Organisation coats so they can go undercover for DiZ and destroy the Organisation from the inside. DiZ also wants to recruit the BHK, or as he calls him "The one chosen by the Keyblade." Now, Riku, Mickey and the BHK are all ones that have been chosen by the Keyblade, they are all strong and this is why DiZ wants them, they would be effective in the Organisation's destruction. Now, Sora will encounter many Organisation member's in KH2, and Sora is of course a Keyblade master, so one must wonder what DiZ has in store for Sora.

Now Post and Flame away my friends, and try to stay on topic, please, please, please stay on topic.

[MasterofMemories]

That's a very good theory, dude. It totally makes sense. The best point you make is that Ansem discarded his body before he was evil. So that would make DiZ nice.That's one of the best theories I've heard in a while. So good job and I hope you don't get deep-fried by flamers.

[crowmaster]

i totally agree. very plausible. you're not gonna get flamed

[Azerty]

Wow, good theory. I too have been wondering about DiZ. He was my other favorite new character that I met in KH2.

[RikuHeroOfDark]

Originally Posted by Cloudy_Card

Now that I have your attention, this is a thread/theory about DiZ. Please keep what you have to say in this thread aboutmy theory, DiZ or post another theory. Don't argue with eachother about stuff, PLEASE! My GEU/BHK/Namine thread has turned into a ravenous, pointless beast!
So.... here goes:

What we know about DiZ:
- He is friendly and very smart, he helped Riku out a great deal in RR.
- He walks the path of Twilight
- The above point means that he is a nobody
- He is believed to be Ansem's nobody (I will explain later)
- He wants to Destroy the Organisation
- He is possibly a former member of the Organisation (this was revealed in a very recent interview)

Theories/Most likely What will happen:

Ansem's Nobody:
Vexen decribes DiZ as "He who is Ansem, and yet is not Ansem" so he is Ansem in some form. And if you recall, When Ansem plunged into darkness, he discarded his body, and a shell/nobody(the official name) is the leftover body and soul of a strong heart. So the points lead to the general consensus of DiZ being Ansem's nobody. DiZ is also a good guy in some aspects. Since he would be Ansem's body before Ansem went all Darkness-crazy, he is still the good king that Ansem used to be. Also, in Reverse/Rebirth, Mickey says that he and DiZ seem to have met, and in Ansem's Report #9, Ansem talks about meeting another king (Mickey). Diz also has the same skin tone and eyes as Ansem, which gives physical evidence. So it all adds up to DiZ being Ansem's nobody.

DiZ's Desires:
DiZ wants to destroy the Organisation, this might be because he was a former member who was maybe kicked out or something worse. Now, he wants the Organisation gone, and needs powerful people to do it. In CoM/RR, he was able to convince Riku and Mickey to walk to path of Twilight, but DiZ has other intentions for them. DiZ gave Riku and Mickey Organisation coats so they can go undercover for DiZ and destroy the Organisation from the inside. DiZ also wants to recruit the BHK, or as he calls him "The one chosen by the Keyblade." Now, Riku, Mickey and the BHK are all ones that have been chosen by the Keyblade, they are all strong and this is why DiZ wants them, they would be effective in the Organisation's destruction. Now, Sora will encounter many Organisation member's in KH2, and Sora is of course a Keyblade master, so one must wonder what DiZ has in store for Sora.

Now Post and Flame away my friends, and try to stay on topic, please, please, please stay on topic.

to help your theory even more if DiZ is the shell of ansem he gets his pesonality when he was a king(because the personality is in the soul and the soul is what keeps the personality) but i dont think DiZ was kicked out or anything........................but maybe after the betrayal in CoM he had enough and now wants to destroy the org.......................maybe DiZ will never need to encounter sora because riku and mickey is power enough

[KingBlade]

Now that is a great theory.Good Job

[Einon SAMA]

It's very lovely Cloudy Card, but theres something I must argur about.

Vexen never talk about DiZ. He talked about the Superior. Wether DiZ is the Superior is not known.
With that stated, there has been no indication that he is Twilight.
I did think he persuaded Riku to go Twilight, but it seems that Riku chose his own path.."To obtain a certain goal."
Just because one is Twilight, does not mean that they are a nobody.
For example, BHK is obviously Twilight. A nobody he is not. The King, and Riku are both Twilight now. Nobodies they are not.

Since DiZ wants to destroy the Order because he was a former member you say. Well not just a former member, the Superior in your case.

When he greeted the BHK with," Welcom one chosen by the keyblade."
It has already been noted that he was talking to our Sora.. the one who roams the world of the Light.

Your theory is really good other than that.

[Yanos_Darkspawn]

One thing, we cant be sure that Vexen is talking about DiZ, since he´s talking about the superior, and we dont know who that guy will be(could be DiZ,EM,other unrevealled character, and so on)
As for Riku and Mickey going undercover Im still not sure, because they seem to be quite popular and well known by the org already(like we saw in CoM), so I dont know if they will buy it

[Cloudy_Card]

Originally Posted by Yanos_Darkspawn

As for Riku and Mickey going undercover Im still not sure, because they seem to be quite popular and well known by the org already(like we saw in CoM), so I dont know if they will buy it

But Only the org in Castle Oblivion knew about them, we can't assume the rest of the members are familiar with them.

[Yanos_Darkspawn]

Originally Posted by Cloudy_Card

But Only the org in Castle Oblivion knew about them, we can't assume the rest of the members are familiar with them.

You´re right, but seeing that almost half of the org(if they are 13) were in CO, I´ll risk to assume that the rest will problably know them, but then again, no facts, only thoughts

[Legato_Blue]

1.its not confirmed that diz walks twilight at all
2.its not confirmed that he is a nobody/shell

[RikuHeroOfDark]

Originally Posted by Yanos_Darkspawn

One thing, we cant be sure that Vexen is talking about DiZ, since he´s talking about the superior, and we dont know who that guy will be(could be DiZ,EM,other unrevealled character, and so on)
As for Riku and Mickey going undercover Im still not sure, because they seem to be quite popular and well known by the org already(like we saw in CoM), so I dont know if they will buy it

isnt that even more of a reason to go undercover because all the org. already know who they are.........................like the members in CoM knew who they were already and knew about them already...................and if only the members in CoM knew about them they were all killed except axel

[GTX]

Originally Posted by Cloudy_Card

Now that I have your attention, this is a thread/theory about DiZ. Please keep what you have to say in this thread aboutmy theory, DiZ or post another theory. Don't argue with eachother about stuff, PLEASE! My GEU/BHK/Namine thread has turned into a ravenous, pointless beast!

If it has you should PM a mod to close it.

So.... here goes:

What we know about DiZ:
- He is friendly and very smart, he helped Riku out a great deal in RR.
- He walks the path of Twilight
- The above point means that he is a nobody
- He is believed to be Ansem's nobody (I will explain later)
- He wants to Destroy the Organisation
- He is possibly a former member of the Organisation (this was revealed in a very recent interview)

-How is he friendly? He seems more mysterious then friendly. He may be smart or clever don't know, don't care.
-Where does it say he walks the path of twilight? All I remember about twilight and DiZ is that he asked riku what road he choose and he answered twilight.
-Or a shell, but the above point makes no sense to me.

Theories/Most likely What will happen:

Ansem's Nobody:
Vexen decribes DiZ as "He who is Ansem, and yet is not Ansem" so he is Ansem in some form. And if you recall, When Ansem plunged into darkness, he discarded his body, and a shell/nobody(the official name) is the leftover body and soul of a strong heart. So the points lead to the general consensus of DiZ being Ansem's nobody. DiZ is also a good guy in some aspects. Since he would be Ansem's body before Ansem went all Darkness-crazy, he is still the good king that Ansem used to be. Also, in Reverse/Rebirth, Mickey says that he and DiZ seem to have met, and in Ansem's Report #9, Ansem talks about meeting another king (Mickey). Diz also has the same skin tone and eyes as Ansem, which gives physical evidence. So it all adds up to DiZ being Ansem's nobody.

That was my guess also on who DiZ is. Also my guess on how BHK was created (when Sora turned into a heartless) but i'll stay and topic as you requested. Or DiZ could be Ansem's shell. I don't think shell and nobody are the same thing.

DiZ's Desires:
DiZ wants to destroy the Organisation, this might be because he was a former member who was maybe kicked out or something worse. Now, he wants the Organisation gone, and needs powerful people to do it. In CoM/RR, he was able to convince Riku and Mickey to walk to path of Twilight, but DiZ has other intentions for them. DiZ gave Riku and Mickey Organisation coats so they can go undercover for DiZ and destroy the Organisation from the inside. DiZ also wants to recruit the BHK, or as he calls him "The one chosen by the Keyblade." Now, Riku, Mickey and the BHK are all ones that have been chosen by the Keyblade, they are all strong and this is why DiZ wants them, they would be effective in the Organisation's destruction. Now, Sora will encounter many Organisation member's in KH2, and Sora is of course a Keyblade master, so one must wonder what DiZ has in store for Sora.

He doesn't mention needing powerful people to do it. I doubt DiZ convinced riku and Mickey to walk the path of Twilight. DiZ isn't confirmed to give Mickey and Riku the coats either. No one knows how they got them. and we don't know if riku are Mickey are undercover, as you say. And DiZ and BHK seem to be hostile towards each other, so he might just want to get rid of him. Or you could be right, but I'm doubtful. So you thinking DiZ is trying to recruit sora into his undercover spy made up of keybearers? I doubt that as well.

Now Post and Flame away my friends, and try to stay on topic, please, please, please stay on topic.

If they do get off topic then tell a mod to delete their posts. Your theory is good, but most people already think Ansem is DiZ for the exact same reasons you stated, And its kinda obvious that they look alike. I'm doubtful how you think DiZ is trying to destroy the organization. But we'll find out soon anyways.

[Cloudy_Card]

AXEL!! i forgot, there supposedly some very bad blood between Axel and DiZ, DiZ interrupts the battle between the BHK and Axel, and then Axel throws a flaming wheel at DiZ, only to have it bounce off.

DiZ seems to have a power of invulnerability, he either has an invisible barrier bounce attacks off him, or the attack goes right through him an weird high-tech number appear in his place, i have absolutely no theory on this strange phenomenon

[RikuHeroOfDark]

Originally Posted by GTX

If it has you should PM a mod to close it.


-How is he friendly? He seems more mysterious then friendly. He may be smart or clever don't know, don't care.
-Where does it say he walks the path of twilight? All I remember about twilight and DiZ is that he asked riku what road he choose and he answered twilight.
-Or a shell, but the above point makes no sense to me.


That was my guess also on who DiZ is. Also my guess on how BHK was created (when Sora turned into a heartless) but i'll stay and topic as you requested. Or DiZ could be Ansem's shell. I don't think shell and nobody are the same thing.


He doesn't mention needing powerful people to do it. I doubt DiZ convinced riku and Mickey to walk the path of Twilight. DiZ isn't confirmed to give Mickey and Riku the coats either. No one knows how they got them. and we don't know if riku are Mickey are undercover, as you say. And DiZ and BHK seem to be hostile towards each other, so he might just want to get rid of him. Or you could be right, but I'm doubtful. So you thinking DiZ is trying to recruit sora into his undercover spy made up of keybearers? I doubt that as well.


If they do get off topic then tell a mod to delete their posts. Your theory is good, but most people already think Ansem is DiZ for the exact same reasons you stated, And its kinda obvious that they look alike. I'm doubtful how you think DiZ is trying to destroy the organization. But we'll find out soon anyways.

what up GTX it was said in a recent(well not that recent) report that DiZ is trying to destroy and here is the evidence of DiZ trying to recruit sora and where he says he wants to destroy the org.

In the place where Sora is sleeping in Castle Oblivion, BHK appears where DiZ is standing.
DiZ: Welcome, one chosen by the Keyblade...
BHK: Are you talking to me or to Sora?
DiZ: I am seeking the one who roams the World of Light, the one who can defeat the Thirteenth Order.
After BHK attacks DiZ the screen fades black.
And you hear DiZ say "Can you feel Sora?" (notice it is not "Can you feel, Sora?" because that would imply that BHK is Sora.)