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Old 06/26/08, 10:13 AM   #16
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I don't really know... The voice could indeed be the keyblade, but like it has been pointed out, why since Riku was the true wielder originally? Hum...

Also, during the 'awakening', Sora doesn't wield a Keyblade. He wields a sword... But Roxas from his side, on the same place, will wield a Keyblade...
Also, during Sora's awakening, the voice always said to him "your heart is the strongest of the weapons", your heart, not the keyblade...

That's kind of hard to tell... It could be the keyblade, but it becomes doubtful considering this very keyblade had to be Riku's one... It could be Ven... It would somehow implies Ven's heart is in Sora...? During Roxas's awakening, there is no voice like for Sora if my memories are good... So it could tend to go with the Ven theory or the heart theory, but in KH the heart is the person, so if Sora's heart speaks to Sora, it's... weird.

There's too many hypothesis and not enough fact, I think we can just wait for that one...
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gotegenks - That article was written by a chick, for I was the one who wrote it and I'm a chick XD;;


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I don't really know... The voice could indeed be the keyblade, but like it has been pointed out, why since Riku was the true wielder originally? Hum...
That's open for debate ;) unless someone who read the novels wants to tell me otherwise XD I just know that unless you read it in Jiminy's journal you don't really understand it like that, but rather as a moment of weakness on Sora's part, thus making Riku's Heart stronger so he could take the Keyblade - for that one moment.

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Also, during the 'awakening', Sora doesn't wield a Keyblade. He wields a sword... But Roxas from his side, on the same place, will wield a Keyblade...
because Roxas already wielded a Keyblade before. His Destati wasn't to acquire the Keyblade but to re-acquire it. Also, he wielded the Keyblade before the Destati so it makes sense he could use it - he's a Keyblade Master, he just needed to remind it to reality.

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Also, during Sora's awakening, the voice always said to him "your heart is the strongest of the weapons", your heart, not the keyblade...

But it's been said that the Keyblade is a direct function of the wielder's strength of Heart. The one with the strongest Heart will be chosen by the Keyblade.
Seeing how Sora is the Keyblade Master and not just a wielder (a differentiation based by BBS) his Heart is one of the very strongest if not the strongest of all, since at least at that time he wielded the strongest Keyblade (we still don't know whether Mickey is a Master or just a wielder so I'll assume that Mickey isn't a Master at least until he got the Reversed Keyblade if not later, thus putting him in a ranking bellow Sora. Then he became the Master for the Keyblade of Darkness).


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That's kind of hard to tell... It could be the keyblade, but it becomes doubtful considering this very keyblade had to be Riku's one..
Keep in mind this is the Keyblade of Light we're talking about and it's kind of hard saying it was supposed to be Riku's.

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There's too many hypothesis and not enough fact, I think we can just wait for that one...
I think we can wait, but I doubt we'll get answers outside maybe the novels XD

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Hmm...you bought an interesting theory there and all. I wonder so too. If it was Ven, that'd probably be pretty cool but I'm not sure. I always seem to think it was narrator or an omnious presence just talking to them out of thin--okay fine let's ex-out thin and just put air. XD Never mind that part but yeah, I wonder so too though I always thought it was more like an omnious presence (sp?)
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That's open for debate ;) unless someone who read the novels wants to tell me otherwise XD I just know that unless you read it in Jiminy's journal you don't really understand it like that, but rather as a moment of weakness on Sora's part, thus making Riku's Heart stronger so he could take the Keyblade - for that one moment.
Still, Riku was sensed to wield the KK, making weird if the KK was prepapring Sora to wield it...

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because Roxas already wielded a Keyblade before. His Destati wasn't to acquire the Keyblade but to re-acquire it. Also, he wielded the Keyblade before the Destati so it makes sense he could use it - he's a Keyblade Master, he just needed to remind it to reality.
Not sure... I mean, his awakening was looking different but in same time similar, at this moment he didn't remember he wielded the Keyblade, I am thinking he had the Keyblade because Sora's got it, but that Sora got it or not maybe wouldn't have changed the awakening scene...

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But it's been said that the Keyblade is a direct function of the wielder's strength of Heart. The one with the strongest Heart will be chosen by the Keyblade.
Not exactly, it's more like there's a keyblade for every qualified heart, so that means in all case Sora would have received a Keyblade, but not the KK : now, if Sora had to receive another Keyblade, why would have the KK spoke to him...?

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Seeing how Sora is the Keyblade Master and not just a wielder (a differentiation based by BBS) his Heart is one of the very strongest if not the strongest of all, since at least at that time he wielded the strongest Keyblade (we still don't know whether Mickey is a Master or just a wielder so I'll assume that Mickey isn't a Master at least until he got the Reversed Keyblade if not later, thus putting him in a ranking bellow Sora. Then he became the Master for the Keyblade of Darkness).
Sora isn't a Keyblade Master. The only two Keyblade Master confirmed are MX and VAT's master... Sora will likely become master, but he has not the level yet.

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Keep in mind this is the Keyblade of Light we're talking about and it's kind of hard saying it was supposed to be Riku's.
It's confirmed by Terra in KH2FM+, he says to Sora "You're not the one I chosed"

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I think we can wait, but I doubt we'll get answers outside maybe the novels XD
BBS will give us the answer I guess.
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Still, Riku was sensed to wield the KK, making weird if the KK was prepapring Sora to wield it...
What's weird about it? Riku got his own Keyblade later on. The momentary strengths of Heart made the difference for the one Sora wields at that time in HB.

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Not sure... I mean, his awakening was looking different but in same time similar, at this moment he didn't remember he wielded the Keyblade, I am thinking he had the Keyblade because Sora's got it, but that Sora got it or not maybe wouldn't have changed the awakening scene...
I think that if Sora didn't have the Keyblade Roxas wouldn't have even came to be XD; so whether or not Sora had the Keyblade wouldn't affect Roxas's scene, since it wouldn't have happened to begin with without Sora being the Keyblade Master.

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Not exactly, it's more like there's a keyblade for every qualified heart, so that means in all case Sora would have received a Keyblade, but not the KK : now, if Sora had to receive another Keyblade, why would have the KK spoke to him...?
But it did talk to him, that's the catch XD

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Sora isn't a Keyblade Master. The only two Keyblade Master confirmed are MX and VAT's master... Sora will likely become master, but he has not the level yet.
He's referred as such every chance they have. When Mickey or Riku's Keyblades are mentioned they're always "wielders" or "users", while Sora is the only one who gets the title of Master.

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It's confirmed by Terra in KH2FM+, he says to Sora "You're not the one I chosed"
Seeing how we know little to nothing about what really went on there and how the Terra from KH2FM+ relates to the Terra of BBS, I'd keep a reasonable amount of doubt aimed at that statement. As far as KH2FM+ goes,
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That 'Terra' could've been the 'friend' Xemnas found in the basement,
thus putting 'Terra's motive behind saying that at wanting to disturb
Sora's Heart further.

Would appreciate a link to that scene either way since I missed it.



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BBS will give us the answer I guess.
I hope. I doubt it though, seeing how both BBS, Days and Coded all seem to be parts of the same story which will continue in present day (all of them are past, after all) in KH3 should it ever see the Light of day.
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What's weird about it? Riku got his own Keyblade later on. The momentary strengths of Heart made the difference for the one Sora wields at that time in HB.
The KK was like 'programmed' to go to Riku, so my question is why would it speak to Sora? Yes, Sora would have gotten his keyblade anyway. But the voice is heard latter in the game, meaning the voice from the awakening is still present latter in the game.
So, if really the voice is a Keyblade, the voice should have changed during the game. But, it didn't. First time it should have been the keyblade Sora was destined to have, second time the KK since he got that one. But no, two time it's the same voice.

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I think that if Sora didn't have the Keyblade Roxas wouldn't have even came to be XD; so whether or not Sora had the Keyblade wouldn't affect Roxas's scene, since it wouldn't have happened to begin with without Sora being the Keyblade Master.
Indeed, my point is merely that everything happening to Roxas happens because of Sora. Let's pretend Sora would have used as weapon a shield, maybe Roxas would have gotten a shield during his awakening, except that Sora got a Keyblade.

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But it did talk to him, that's the catch XD
We're not sure it's the Keyblade. It could have been Ven for sample, or even Mickey though doubtful for that one.

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He's referred as such every chance they have. When Mickey or Riku's Keyblades are mentioned they're always "wielders" or "users", while Sora is the only one who gets the title of Master.
It depends who calls him Master. Xigbar, someone more knowledgeable than most people in KH about the Keyblade, called him wielder.
Yen Sid also calls him "wielder" of the Keyblade, and I am thinking Yen Sid and Xigbar are more right than most others character...

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Seeing how we know little to nothing about what really went on there and how the Terra from KH2FM+ relates to the Terra of BBS, I'd keep a reasonable amount of doubt aimed at that statement. As far as KH2FM+ goes,
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That 'Terra' could've been the 'friend' Xemnas found in the basement,
thus putting 'Terra's motive behind saying that at wanting to disturb
Sora's Heart further.

Would appreciate a link to that scene either way since I missed it.
YouTube - KH2FM Enigmatic Soldier Cutscene English SUB

No, apparently he seems rather... sure of him, sure he wonders a lot of things, but knows what he said on this I think.

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I hope. I doubt it though, seeing how both BBS, Days and Coded all seem to be parts of the same story which will continue in present day (all of them are past, after all) in KH3 should it ever see the Light of day.
Well, BBS is sensed to say us the answer we await since a long time....
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The KK was like 'programmed' to go to Riku, so my question is why would it speak to Sora? Yes, Sora would have gotten his keyblade anyway. But the voice is heard latter in the game, meaning the voice from the awakening is still present latter in the game.
So, if really the voice is a Keyblade, the voice should have changed during the game. But, it didn't. First time it should have been the keyblade Sora was destined to have, second time the KK since he got that one. But no, two time it's the same voice.
You're assuming the Destati at the start was from a Keyblade other than the KK. Why?



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Indeed, my point is merely that everything happening to Roxas happens because of Sora. Let's pretend Sora would have used as weapon a shield, maybe Roxas would have gotten a shield during his awakening, except that Sora got a Keyblade.
But that would've changed the whole game and not just Roxas's Destati, since we're talking about Keyblades here and not shields.



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We're not sure it's the Keyblade. It could have been Ven for sample, or even Mickey though doubtful for that one.
That one where it's Mickey is actually baseable, seeing how in the KH:FM there's a scene he talks to Riku's Heart and says that up until then Riku's Heart was covered in too much Darkness to him to reach. This would explain the passing on to Sora since Sora's Heart wasn't covered in Darkness, but that means Mickey has the ability to grant Keyblades. While Riku did the same for Kairi in KH2, we're still missing her Destati so I can't really compare it.



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It depends who calls him Master. Xigbar, someone more knowledgeable than most people in KH about the Keyblade, called him wielder.
Yen Sid also calls him "wielder" of the Keyblade, and I am thinking Yen Sid and Xigbar are more right than most others character...
Yen Sid also says he was chosen, so there could be more meaning behind it. Also, if Sora wasn't anything special, I doubt Yen Sid would've said he was the Key to everything. Too much meaning to a mere Wielder.

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YouTube - KH2FM Enigmatic Soldier Cutscene English SUB

No, apparently he seems rather... sure of him, sure he wonders a lot of things, but knows what he said on this I think.
'Terra' seems... well, out of his mind. It adds up with
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Him possibly being sent by Xemnas,
and why he moves from reminiscenting over Aqua and Ven to hating Xehanort -
whom sent him, seeing how it was Xemnas - Xehanort's Nobody.

Also, the 'not him' part might just be that it's not Ven, but Sora, and while they are possibly related, are not the exact same person (wonder how he'd have reacted to Roxas).
Aside from that, you're actually saying that Terra has the authority to choose the next Keyblade Master and I find that highly unlikely. The ones choosing are the Keyblades themselves, possibly the Realm those Keyblades came from (thus are Keyblades like the Way to Dawn which is affiliated with Dawn rather than Light or Darkness).
Now, having watched up to the end of the scene (I was writing during, pausing every other minute when I saw something important XD) the ending actually shows he does in a way accept Sora's strength. By inwardly resembling Ven whom Terra had 'chosen', Terra is soothed and resumes kneeling by his Keyblade. It would mean he saw what he did choose inside despite Sora's appearance not matching Ven's completely.
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You're assuming the Destati at the start was from a Keyblade other than the KK. Why?
I am not assuming that it is another Keyblade. But the voice heard in it and before fighting Ansem is the same.
The KK had to go to Riku, so it had no reason to speak to sora at the beginning.
So, only solution would be to say the voice is not the keyblade.

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But that would've changed the whole game and not just Roxas's Destati, since we're talking about Keyblades here and not shields.
What I mean is that the awakening is not all about Keyblade. In fact in Sora's one it didn't appear, indeed because he had none, and it appeared for Roxas. The Keyblade is not the centre of the "awakening", so the voice is possibly not the keyblade.

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That one where it's Mickey is actually baseable, seeing how in the KH:FM there's a scene he talks to Riku's Heart and says that up until then Riku's Heart was covered in too much Darkness to him to reach. This would explain the passing on to Sora since Sora's Heart wasn't covered in Darkness, but that means Mickey has the ability to grant Keyblades. While Riku did the same for Kairi in KH2, we're still missing her Destati so I can't really compare it.
We're not even sure she had one, but possible though like I said I am confident Terra or Ven are implied in the KK.

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Yen Sid also says he was chosen, so there could be more meaning behind it. Also, if Sora wasn't anything special, I doubt Yen Sid would've said he was the Key to everything. Too much meaning to a mere Wielder.
Yes, but that does not mean he is a master. Just a sample, Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi, but didn't achieve the rand of Jedi Master. It's like, Sora has a lot to learn before to become Master.

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'Terra' seems... well, out of his mind. It adds up with
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Him possibly being sent by Xemnas,
and why he moves from reminiscenting over Aqua and Ven to hating Xehanort -
whom sent him, seeing how it was Xemnas - Xehanort's Nobody.

Also, the 'not him' part might just be that it's not Ven, but Sora, and while they are possibly related, are not the exact same person (wonder how he'd have reacted to Roxas).
Aside from that, you're actually saying that Terra has the authority to choose the next Keyblade Master and I find that highly unlikely. The ones choosing are the Keyblades themselves, possibly the Realm those Keyblades came from (thus are Keyblades like the Way to Dawn which is affiliated with Dawn rather than Light or Darkness).
Now, having watched up to the end of the scene (I was writing during, pausing every other minute when I saw something important XD) the ending actually shows he does in a way accept Sora's strength. By inwardly resembling Ven whom Terra had 'chosen', Terra is soothed and resumes kneeling by his Keyblade. It would mean he saw what he did choose inside despite Sora's appearance not matching Ven's completely.
Well, Terra chosing the Keyblade Wielder is possible. He could have gotten the KK at a point and decided who would be his successor, most likely Riku, but it ended with Sora. MX apparently wants Terra choses him and Terra looks pretty powerful, I think Terra is very special.
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I am not assuming that it is another Keyblade. But the voice heard in it and before fighting Ansem is the same.
The KK had to go to Riku, so it had no reason to speak to sora at the beginning.
So, only solution would be to say the voice is not the keyblade.
I'm sorry, last time I checked it was Sora who fought with the KK up to HB, and it was Sora who fought his way through it and beyond. Even if you do say the KK was originally to go to Riku, it didn't eventually. Seeing that, it makes perfect sense Sora could hear the KK.
Also, I'll remind you the reason the KK didn't go to Riku, according to Jiminy, is that he was too deep into Darkness. Look at when he got the KK in HB and tell me what part of him wasn't Darkness Tainted that the KK suddenly said he was good enough for her again.



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What I mean is that the awakening is not all about Keyblade. In fact in Sora's one it didn't appear, indeed because he had none, and it appeared for Roxas. The Keyblade is not the centre of the "awakening", so the voice is possibly not the keyblade.
Then what does awaken during a Destati?
Aside from that the facts do show a small repeating motive to the Destatis - after Sora's Destati he received the KK. After Roxas's Destati he managed to freely summon his Keyblades.
What else could the Destatis be related to?


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We're not even sure she had one, but possible though like I said I am confident Terra or Ven are implied in the KK.
I didn't quite understand that. What do you mean by 'implied in the KK'?



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Yes, but that does not mean he is a master. Just a sample, Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi, but didn't achieve the rand of Jedi Master. It's like, Sora has a lot to learn before to become Master.
That is true, though I still hold a lot of respect towards Sora with how well he did do so far without proper training.


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Well, Terra chosing the Keyblade Wielder is possible. He could have gotten the KK at a point and decided who would be his successor, most likely Riku, but it ended with Sora. MX apparently wants Terra choses him and Terra looks pretty powerful, I think Terra is very special.
It still seems to me the one he'd have chosen would be Sora due to his relation (possible but rather logical) to Ven. He also says they met in the past before realizing Sora isn't quite the person he chose. His hesitation is more likely because Sora is different from Ven as opposed to Sora being different from Riku, since then the difference is clear.
Points to contradict Terra getting the KK -
The trailers imply Terra is Darkness-tainted in a way. If Darkness truly was the reason it didn't go to Riku, I doubt it'd have went to Ven. Also, he has the Keyblade he has in the Secret Endings for KH2 and KH2:FM+ and seems to still be "stuck" during that time mentally, so a change in Keyblades doesn't seem likely to me.
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I'm sorry, last time I checked it was Sora who fought with the KK up to HB, and it was Sora who fought his way through it and beyond. Even if you do say the KK was originally to go to Riku, it didn't eventually. Seeing that, it makes perfect sense Sora could hear the KK.
Also, I'll remind you the reason the KK didn't go to Riku, according to Jiminy, is that he was too deep into Darkness. Look at when he got the KK in HB and tell me what part of him wasn't Darkness Tainted that the KK suddenly said he was good enough for her again.
Yes, but : The KK had to go to Riku, lack of chance because of various reason it's Sora who got it. Latter Riku retakes it, but fails to keep it and Sora then definitely becomes the true owner of it.

Now, why would the KK speaks to Sora instead of Riku before? The KK had to go to Riku, so why isn't it Riku who would have heard the KK? Sora was not destined to get it, it's like if you have invite a friend to come at home, but phone to another one to ask if he'll come. Why? Better to call directly the one to who the message is destined and no reason to call the other.
Same here, why would Sora need to hear the KK before it changes of wielder?

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Then what does awaken during a Destati?
Aside from that the facts do show a small repeating motive to the Destatis - after Sora's Destati he received the KK. After Roxas's Destati he managed to freely summon his Keyblades.
What else could the Destatis be related to?
Some kind of training to prepare him. Destati learnt him about the Heartless, Light/Darkness, his enemies and his more powerful weapon. It also learnt to him his purpose.

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I didn't quite understand that. What do you mean by 'implied in the KK'?
Implied in why the KK went on DI and why Riku had to wield it, or why Sora is so "special".

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That is true, though I still hold a lot of respect towards Sora with how well he did do so far without proper training.
So do I, and I am btw sure he'll become master one day.

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It still seems to me the one he'd have chosen would be Sora due to his relation (possible but rather logical) to Ven. He also says they met in the past before realizing Sora isn't quite the person he chose. His hesitation is more likely because Sora is different from Ven as opposed to Sora being different from Riku, since then the difference is clear.
Points to contradict Terra getting the KK -
The trailers imply Terra is Darkness-tainted in a way. If Darkness truly was the reason it didn't go to Riku, I doubt it'd have went to Ven. Also, he has the Keyblade he has in the Secret Endings for KH2 and KH2:FM+ and seems to still be "stuck" during that time mentally, so a change in Keyblades doesn't seem likely to me.
But they met in the past. In the trailer Terra look at Sora and Riku playing at DI. And Terra seems pretty sure of him when he says "you're not the one I chosed". It's latter that he realizes that in fact, Sora is a better one that the one he chosed, but that doesn't change he most likely chosed Riku.

And the KK could be Terra's Keyblade too. How? Well, in that scene he has his Keyblade, but it could be a "fake" or copy one, like those wielded by Roxas. Also there is possibility that the scene is not canon, a scene just for giving some information.

Things is that, maybe the KK is Terra's Keyblade + Keychain for Riku/Sora can wield it.
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Yes, but : The KK had to go to Riku, lack of chance because of various reason it's Sora who got it. Latter Riku retakes it, but fails to keep it and Sora then definitely becomes the true owner of it.

Now, why would the KK speaks to Sora instead of Riku before? The KK had to go to Riku, so why isn't it Riku who would have heard the KK? Sora was not destined to get it, it's like if you have invite a friend to come at home, but phone to another one to ask if he'll come. Why? Better to call directly the one to who the message is destined and no reason to call the other.
Same here, why would Sora need to hear the KK before it changes of wielder?
But that's the point - by the time of KH1 the KK has already switched owners (something I don't believe in, but for argument's sake). Riku effectively falls to the Darkness a day and a half before the Islands fall into Darkness for his will to flee the Islands - something which has been going on for a while.
It seems to me the Keyblade had already switched owners with maybe hope for Riku, but seeing the Darkness and Heartless approaching decided it was better to "wake Sora up" before it lost him too - seeing how the KK was what kept Sora from disappearing along with Riku and ending up on Hollow Bastion.


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Some kind of training to prepare him. Destati learnt him about the Heartless, Light/Darkness, his enemies and his more powerful weapon. It also learnt to him his purpose.
His purpose as described in the Destati is to open the Door to Light. How could he do that without a Keyblade?



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Implied in why the KK went on DI and why Riku had to wield it, or why Sora is so "special".
I still don't understand ^^;;; I'll have to ask you to explain this one from the top and forgive me seeing how I'm replying here and also editting another part in my article about Kairi and Namine (SoNami part, woohoo!) so I'm kind of in a daze.


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So do I, and I am btw sure he'll become master one day.
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But they met in the past. In the trailer Terra look at Sora and Riku playing at DI. And Terra seems pretty sure of him when he says "you're not the one I chosed". It's latter that he realizes that in fact, Sora is a better one that the one he chosed, but that doesn't change he most likely chosed Riku.
That is possible seeing how even Sora himself was certain Riku was 'better', but with the mention of Ven and the lack of connection to reality Terra seems to be suffering from, I'm having a hard time accepting this.

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And the KK could be Terra's Keyblade too. How? Well, in that scene he has his Keyblade, but it could be a "fake" or copy one, like those wielded by Roxas. Also there is possibility that the scene is not canon, a scene just for giving some information.
Seeing how the scenes added in the Final Mixes are from the novels, and the novels are like the BIBLE of Kingdom Hearts, I doubt it's not Canon. Also, Roxas's Keyblades weren't so much as fakes as copies - the Keychains were Sora's own, and him as his Nobody had copies of them so the shapes on his own Keyblades were identical.


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Things is that, maybe the KK is Terra's Keyblade + Keychain for Riku/Sora can wield it.
Again, he seems mentally stuck in the time from before. I doubt he managed to obtain another Keyblade, let alone be willing to give it away.
That would also raise the issue of how come Mickey's Blade is almost identical to the KK, almost like a Nobody of it (or vice versa seeing how the KK is silver while the other's Gold {though I like the KK design better}). It would mean there's another connection to Terra (Ven in the Darkness?) instead of those Keyblades being the "default" forms.
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An interesting theory but I really don't know what to say. Oh wait I do. Other then, are you sure it was the keyblade really talking to Sora?
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An interesting theory but I really don't know what to say. Oh wait I do. Other then, are you sure it was the keyblade really talking to Sora?
Nomura only knows, that's why us lesser mortals can only theorize, but so far it does seem the most logical explanation until possibly proven otherwise as we learn more about Ven and his relation to Sora.
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But that's the point - by the time of KH1 the KK has already switched owners (something I don't believe in, but for argument's sake). Riku effectively falls to the Darkness a day and a half before the Islands fall into Darkness for his will to flee the Islands - something which has been going on for a while.
It seems to me the Keyblade had already switched owners with maybe hope for Riku, but seeing the Darkness and Heartless approaching decided it was better to "wake Sora up" before it lost him too - seeing how the KK was what kept Sora from disappearing along with Riku and ending up on Hollow Bastion.
I am not sure, a Keyblade apparently doesn't react to Darkness or Light, also since CoM it is shown that Darkness doesn't mean evil, so I doubt the Keyblade would have switched of owner, it happened latter I'd say.

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His purpose as described in the Destati is to open the Door to Light. How could he do that without a Keyblade?
How could Xehanort opens the door of Radiant Garden without Keyblade? Apparently, there is some people possessing special powers, Xehanort and Sora seem to be those.

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I still don't understand ^^;;; I'll have to ask you to explain this one from the top and forgive me seeing how I'm replying here and also editting another part in my article about Kairi and Namine (SoNami part, woohoo!) so I'm kind of in a daze.
That's ok ^^ I am french also and not the best with english yet, so it can explain why it is not easilly understandable.
What I mean is that, it is Ven and Terra who decided to who the KK would go, they knew both Sora and Riku so they are involved in why the KK ended up at Destiny Island and not to Mickey, for sample.

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That is possible seeing how even Sora himself was certain Riku was 'better', but with the mention of Ven and the lack of connection to reality Terra seems to be suffering from, I'm having a hard time accepting this.
Things is that, after the battle, Terra seems to return to reality and at this moment he still seems to consider that Sora is not the one he chosed, except that it's in fact a good thing.

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Again, he seems mentally stuck in the time from before. I doubt he managed to obtain another Keyblade, let alone be willing to give it away.
That would also raise the issue of how come Mickey's Blade is almost identical to the KK, almost like a Nobody of it (or vice versa seeing how the KK is silver while the other's Gold {though I like the KK design better}). It would mean there's another connection to Terra (Ven in the Darkness?) instead of those Keyblades being the "default" forms.
Another theory, we see Terra picking the KK in the Secret Ending and Aqua the IKK. I know it's for symbolism, and so, it'd explain a lot. The IKK could be Aqua's Keyblade with a Keychain and KK Terra's Keyblade with a Keychain.
I for sample doubt that the KK would look the same without Keychains. Also, the keychain are explained by Sora, Riku and Mickey's size : they couldn't possibly wield a Keyblade of Terra's size.
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I am not sure, a Keyblade apparently doesn't react to Darkness or Light, also since CoM it is shown that Darkness doesn't mean evil, so I doubt the Keyblade would have switched of owner, it happened latter I'd say.
Ah, this is nice. Saying the Darkness doesn't matter in this aspect is actually denying the very journal entry which said Riku is the original Keyblade Master. And if Darkness didn't matter, why did the Keyblade switch owners - unless it was Sora's to begin with and Riku was destined to Dawn if not Darkness as posed in KH1?

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How could Xehanort opens the door of Radiant Garden without Keyblade? Apparently, there is some people possessing special powers, Xehanort and Sora seem to be those.
The door to the Heart of the world is far different than the Door to Light, I'd say. Also with some of the rumors running around saying Xehanort did indeed have a connection to the Keyblade (either by being MX's helper from the KH2:FM+ secret ending or being some crazy mix between MX himself and Terra) I find that even harder to believe. What you're saying in this is actually that the whole point to the Keyblades is a lie.


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That's ok ^^ I am french also and not the best with english yet, so it can explain why it is not easilly understandable.
What I mean is that, it is Ven and Terra who decided to who the KK would go, they knew both Sora and Riku so they are involved in why the KK ended up at Destiny Island and not to Mickey, for sample.

Mickey already had a Keyblade in BBS so I doubt he was ever an option. And if indeed both Terra and Ven chose successors, that would mean Sora and Riku were chosen at the same time. It would make sense then that Sora just had his Destati first before Riku, while Riku needed Maleficent's help at first to draw out his own powers. They awoke fully afterwards when he received the Way to Dawn, but that still means he was never meant to have Sora's Keyblade if indeed two Keyblades were handed out.


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Things is that, after the battle, Terra seems to return to reality and at this moment he still seems to consider that Sora is not the one he chosed, except that it's in fact a good thing.
That's up for interpertation then. Time will tell



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Another theory, we see Terra picking the KK in the Secret Ending and Aqua the IKK. I know it's for symbolism, and so, it'd explain a lot. The IKK could be Aqua's Keyblade with a Keychain and KK Terra's Keyblade with a Keychain.
I for sample doubt that the KK would look the same without Keychains. Also, the keychain are explained by Sora, Riku and Mickey's size : they couldn't possibly wield a Keyblade of Terra's size.
I'm a firm believer the Keychains come from their owner's Mentality. The Oblivion came from Sora and Riku's bond; the Oathkeeper - from the bond between Sora, and Kairi and Namine; The Keyblades from the worlds - the impression left on him after what happened in said world; The Keyblades from other people like Auron - same with Riku, Kairi and Namine - they represent meeting them.
So more than Terra's Keyblade being unfit for them, it was what he needed, the best weapon for him.
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