Should We Really Pull Out of Iraq?

Devious · December 20th, 2005, 10:49 PM

One of the most controvercial subjects to date! Many people think that this whole terrorist thing wouldn't have started if it weren't for Bush going into Iraq! I on the contrary believe that it's Bush who saved us from them, he's actually doing a really good job at being president lately, though he does seem really stupid, he's got a good administration on his team as of this moment. But hey, that's just my opinion.

STATE YOU'RE OPINION!!!

HeartlessOfDoom · December 21st, 2005, 04:02 AM

Bush didn't start the terrorist thing; that started appearing to regular Americans at 9/11, before we did anything to Iraq or Afghanistan or to anyone else. Thanks to Clinton, the terrorists learned they could do anything they wanted. ( aka the USS Cole, etc )Those aftereffects leaked all the way into Bush's time, and then he decided to stop it, so he went to war. He's saving the US from the terrorists right now. If we pull out, Iraq has no chance and the terrorists will take over. If we stay, we can win and push evil out and help those people live a good life. We didn't just go to Iraq because of suspected WMDs ( which I think he smuggled into Syria ); he was also a threat to Israel, his neighbors, etc...... Bush is doing a great job with everything except education. The no child left behind is useless crap.

Jeels · December 21st, 2005, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HeartlessOfDoom

Bush didn't start the terrorist thing; that started appearing to regular Americans at 9/11, before we did anything to Iraq or Afghanistan or to anyone else. Thanks to Clinton, the terrorists learned they could do anything they wanted. ( aka the USS Cole, etc )Those aftereffects leaked all the way into Bush's time, and then he decided to stop it, so he went to war. He's saving the US from the terrorists right now. If we pull out, Iraq has no chance and the terrorists will take over. If we stay, we can win and push evil out and help those people live a good life. We didn't just go to Iraq because of suspected WMDs ( which I think he smuggled into Syria ); he was also a threat to Israel, his neighbors, etc...... Bush is doing a great job with everything except education. The no child left behind is useless crap.

Oh, wow *claps* obviously not.

Yes, Bush is doing a great job, with our country being viewed as a mockery, and the polls serverly agaisnt him.

I'm sorry, but I hate people like you.

HeartlessOfDoom · December 21st, 2005, 05:13 AM

Monkeybutt, obviously not what? Please specify. Oh, polls are misleading. They are usually created by super-liberal news stations like CNN who always lie and are misleading. And why do you hate me? Is it because I'm a Republican?

Ulti · December 21st, 2005, 05:33 AM

You are joking right?CNN is the best news station ever. As far as I know Bush is hated. Also, because of him, men are dieing and dieing. If we keep this up our army will be nothing

HeartlessOfDoom · December 21st, 2005, 05:45 AM

Actually, CNN has admitted to lying on many things, and furthermore, it is proved that they have lied on many more things than they have admitted to. Their polls are very misleading and that station is focused only on Bush-bashing, nothing else. Oh, if all hated Bush, then why did he get re-elected......? Men and women are dying, but it is for a good cause: America's freedom. We will not be intimidated and tormented by terrorists. Oh, Monkeybutt, the other nations, like the European ones, hate us because the US is the most powerful ( and the best ) nation in the world. They're jealous and mad because they're not the world power ( or powerful ) anymore. Who cares what a tiny, socialistic, useless country thinks?

Noblethe3rd · December 21st, 2005, 06:52 AM

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They're jealous and mad because they're not the world power ( or powerful ) anymore. Who cares what a tiny, socialistic, useless country thinks?

and it makes you wonder why the world looks at us as arrogant, pompous retards flaunting our power worldwide......

Square Ninja · December 21st, 2005, 08:35 AM

Iraq is a quagmire. If the US withdraws its forces, we lose. If the US remains in Iraq, we lose. It's a lose/lose situation for the US.

I think one of the main reasons why people bitch about the US is because its so convient to blame. The US is the world's most powerful country. It's not because of jealous per se, but the US has the greatest power to affect the world. It kind of reminds me of Wal*Mart affecting small businesses in that respect. Don't get me wrong; those in charge have done some not so good things, but that's not the only reason.

Johnny Stooge · December 21st, 2005, 10:09 AM

What I what to know is where did Iraq come from?

Bin Laden took responsibility for 9/11. Bin Ladens last known wherabouts were in Afghanistan. I don't mind troops in Afghanistan, but what the hell has Iraq got to do with it? During the months leading up to 9/11, I heard absolutely nothing about Iraq and didn't even know who Saddam Hussein was. Then BAM.

And don't give me 'o but saddam was a bad man' crap. Yeah, I know what he's done. But as far as I know, he wasn't involved with 9/11.

Libra · December 21st, 2005, 10:31 AM

To answer the main question: Yes and No. We can't just completely withdraw because Iraq isn't ready for us to leave. Yet, we do need to start bringing some troops home. See, Bush already started this mess...and we need to find a way to fix it so the majority is happy. Iraq can't be left in chaos, but at the same time we shouldn't be over there. We need to train the Iraqi army faster, and once that starts happening and they can start taking care of themselves, we should fully pull out.

var1ables · December 21st, 2005, 10:44 AM

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before we did anything to Iraq or Afghanistan or to anyone else. Thanks to Clinton, the terrorists learned they could do anything they wanted.

That is why he launched a attack on many high terriorist locations.

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If we pull out, Iraq has no chance and the terrorists will take over. If we stay, we can win and push evil out and help those people live a good life. We didn't just go to Iraq because of suspected WMDs ( which I think he smuggled into Syria ); he was also a threat to Israel, his neighbors, etc...... Bush is doing a great job with everything except education. The no child left behind is useless crap.

wait...... wait... you do realize that the morale there is lower than when sadam was there right? More iraqis want us out then those that want us in. They also searched for WMDs in syria, and didn't find any that weren't already accounted for.

I think that we should pull out, just not yet, the iraqi miltias are bigger than the offical army.

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Actually, CNN has admitted to lying on many things, and furthermore, it is proved that they have lied on many more things than they have admitted to. Their polls are very misleading and that station is focused only on Bush-bashing, nothing else. Oh, if all hated Bush, then why did he get re-elected......? Men and women are dying, but it is for a good cause: America's freedom. We will not be intimidated and tormented by terrorists. Oh, Monkeybutt, the other nations, like the European ones, hate us because the US is the most powerful ( and the best ) nation in the world. They're jealous and mad because they're not the world power ( or powerful ) anymore. Who cares what a tiny, socialistic, useless country thinks?

What do you watch? Fox... and you say CNN is bias. They are more accurate and talk to more people than many of us even know.The european countries hate us because we went into war with no support, and then we want them to help in the process, then we badmouth them.. then we ask for help again and wonder why we don't get it.Not only that but we didn't let the UN's security council finish when we rushed in there.

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Bin Laden took responsibility for 9/11. Bin Ladens last known wherabouts were in Afghanistan. I don't mind troops in Afghanistan, but what the hell has Iraq got to do with it? During the months leading up to 9/11, I heard absolutely nothing about Iraq and didn't even know who Saddam Hussein was. Then BAM

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Not only that but iraq helped us in the war against terrorism...

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and it makes you wonder why the world looks at us as arrogant, pompous retards flaunting our power worldwide......

As well as graduate alot less scientist, have the lowest idea on world affair, don't realize the world don't revolve around us, don't ever shut up about how great we are, have the most ignorant poplus...

Devious · December 21st, 2005, 06:56 PM

We should pull out of Iraq but at the moment it's too dangerous, if we stay we prove to the terrorists that we won't allow them to come and go as they please in any country, we will stop them in their tracks at all costs. I say this not with ignorance of those who have lost family members to war, I say this to let them know that they joined the war for the chance to help their country and if it means losing their lives, they still wanted to go. It was their decision to make, there was no draft, so it's not Bush who we should blame for the loss of family.

On the subject of pulling out again, we need to stay, if we don't, terrorists will not stop, they attack us because we ignore them, like they aren't human. They hate the fact that some of us Americans are so pompus, so egotistical that we don't consider them a part of the human race. So they attack us to prove they exist, to bring us to our knees and consider them human, though when they target this small amount of people they hit countless others with the shockwave of their attacks. 9/11 is the perfect example, though it was also meant to take down the stock market and bring us into yet another depression.

On the subject of the relation between Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason why we are in Iraq now is because the terrorists were linked to the group Al'Quihaida, which is reported to be rooted in Iraq, and other reports of WMD's were sent in as well. Giving us cause to go to Iraq and search, and one thing lead to another, here we are.

Now to wrap this post up with a little say about Osama, there are special troops still in Afghanistan looking for him, about 50 specially trained troops are hunting him down in order to either try him in America's High Courts or kill him on sight. They will find him, if he is still alive, which he won't be if he's not within an electricity filled area, due to his special condition which requires a doctor and special machinery.

Libra · December 21st, 2005, 08:19 PM

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On the subject of pulling out again, we need to stay, if we don't, terrorists will not stop, they attack us because we ignore them, like they aren't human. They hate the fact that some of us Americans are so pompus, so egotistical that we don't consider them a part of the human race. So they attack us to prove they exist, to bring us to our knees and consider them human, though when they target this small amount of people they hit countless others with the shockwave of their attacks. 9/11 is the perfect example, though it was also meant to take down the stock market and bring us into yet another depression.

Their existance was never an issue. They believe if they kill their enemy they'll go to heaven. Osama for example believes the US should stay out of other people's buisness and that we are infidels. He thinks countries should be under an islamic theocracy, so he attacks us under the belief that we should die for being sinners. Also, our alliance with Israel is a huge issue because these muslim extremists detest Israel. They want them out of the middle east, and would stop at nothing to erradicate them if we weren't in their way.

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On the subject of the relation between Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason why we are in Iraq now is because the terrorists were linked to the group Al'Quihaida, which is reported to be rooted in Iraq, and other reports of WMD's were sent in as well. Giving us cause to go to Iraq and search, and one thing lead to another, here we are.

There was no link between Iraq and Al Queda. Al Queda moved in after we took Sadam out of power and he went running into a hole in the ground. Al Queda's mind set was to aid the people who were fighting against us.

Bush told us that they had WMD's, no more, no less. He never said we are on a good will mission to save the Iraqi people from a tyrant until after we had invaded. Bush declared war with no set information. We have one of the best Intelligence agencies and some of the greatest satellites and they went with info from Africa to start a war. Then faked images to lie to the UN.

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Now to wrap this post up with a little say about Osama, there are special troops still in Afghanistan looking for him, about 50 specially trained troops are hunting him down in order to either try him in America's High Courts or kill him on sight. They will find him, if he is still alive, which he won't be if he's not within an electricity filled area, due to his special condition which requires a doctor and special machinery.

I know there are special troops searching for him, but he is no longer in Afghanistan. Only an idiot would stick around. He is believed to have gone to Pakistan.

Mighty · December 21st, 2005, 08:20 PM

We should of never been in Iraq in the first place. Bush played on the emotions of Americans to move forward with his agenda. Don't give me this crap about "Sadam needed to be stopped", if Bush was so interested in stopping a potential threat he would be in North Korea. The truth is Bush wanted oil and to get back at the "Bad man who attacked his daddy".

Square Ninja · December 22nd, 2005, 11:59 PM

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Their existance was never an issue. They believe if they kill their enemy they'll go to heaven. Osama for example believes the US should stay out of other people's buisness and that we are infidels.

It's not as though that is entirely unfounded, either. The US has f***ed with the Middle-East for decades. The US supported one faction until it had no more use to them. We have indirectly been a part of what's been going on there for decades, and that has generated a lot resentment. They're not just jealous, they hate us because of what we have indirectly done over the past few decades.